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[Bill Barnyard]

Wait didn't Frank Holmes do artwork for the proposed SMiLE box set in the 1990's? I recall that there was new illustrations but did he ever hand them over to Capitol? If he did perhaps they intend to use them for 'The SMiLE Session' box.

I guess if he was paid for the latter then that might be a possibility.

[A Million Units In Jan!]

I know of one new illustration. A few years ago there was a SMiLE special in a magazine called 'Fishwrap' (don't know if it's still around). In it, there was a new drawing for 'Wonderful'.

[juggler]

Wait didn't Frank Holmes do artwork for the proposed SMiLE box set in the 1990's? I recall that there was new illustrations but did he ever hand them over to Capitol? If he did perhaps they intend to use them for 'The SMiLE Session' box.

I guess if he was paid for the latter then that might be a possibility.

You bring up a good point.  FH did do new illustrations for several songs in the mid-'90s.  Off the top of my head, I remember seeing drawings for Good Vibrations, Fire, Wonderful and CIFOTM.  IIRC, the intention was indeed to supplement the 1966 illustrations with the new drawings for inclusion with Capitol's proposed Smile release at the time.

It's interesting that FH seems to have been more on the same page with Capitol at that time than now.  Who knows...   But do we really know for sure that there is an ongoing dispute?  Van Dyke Parks recently mentioned how pleased he was that Frank's work was finally getting its due with this release.  Of course, VDP may have simply seen mock-up packaging that was prepared without formal permission.  We've yet to see anything official from either side.  All we seem to have here are rumors.

Like the aforementioned rarities in the possession of collectors, the Holmes artwork is, to some extent, a now-or-never proposition for both sides.  If it's not purchased by Capitol now, it may never be.  I'm sure that all parties realize this, and I hope that things will be worked out eventually.

[Mike's Beard]

It will all be included in my forthcoming book The Smile Sessions Finally Released in 2011, or How To Piss Off Phil Cohen At One Fell Stroke. 

Will that also be released before October?   

Day after the box.

Can this be pre-ordered at Amazon?

Only pre-ordered at Borders.

I will only buy this if I can't get my hands on the epic Bill Tobleman/Fishmonk book.

[cube_monkey]

>>The Dalai Lama walks into Domino's Pizza and says "make me one with everything".

PERFECT.  now i will annoy my co-workers with it.

[Pretty Funky]

Wait didn't Frank Holmes do artwork for the proposed SMiLE box set in the 1990's? I recall that there was new illustrations but did he ever hand them over to Capitol? If he did perhaps they intend to use them for 'The SMiLE Session' box.

I guess if he was paid for the latter then that might be a possibility.

You bring up a good point.  FH did do new illustrations for several songs in the mid-'90s.  Off the top of my head, I remember seeing drawings for Good Vibrations, Fire, Wonderful and CIFOTM.  IIRC, the intention was indeed to supplement the 1966 illustrations with the new drawings for inclusion with Capitol's proposed Smile release at the time.

It's interesting that FH seems to have been more on the same page with Capitol at that time than now.  Who knows...   But do we really know for sure that there is an ongoing dispute?  Van Dyke Parks recently mentioned how pleased he was that Frank's work was finally getting its due with this release.  Of course, VDP may have simply seen mock-up packaging that was prepared without formal permission.  We've yet to see anything official from either side.  All we seem to have here are rumors.

Like the aforementioned rarities in the possession of collectors, the Holmes artwork is, to some extent, a now-or-never proposition for both sides.  If it's not purchased by Capitol now, it may never be.  I'm sure that all parties realize this, and I hope that things will be worked out eventually.

Another issue could be how the payment is made. I think this set will sell for many years so a fee based on units sold may not appeal to Frank who I think is in his late 70s. He could be after a larger 'one off' fee now which is making Capitol nervous.

[bgas]

Wait didn't Frank Holmes do artwork for the proposed SMiLE box set in the 1990's? I recall that there was new illustrations but did he ever hand them over to Capitol? If he did perhaps they intend to use them for 'The SMiLE Session' box.

I guess if he was paid for the latter then that might be a possibility.

You bring up a good point.  FH did do new illustrations for several songs in the mid-'90s.  Off the top of my head, I remember seeing drawings for Good Vibrations, Fire, Wonderful and CIFOTM.  IIRC, the intention was indeed to supplement the 1966 illustrations with the new drawings for inclusion with Capitol's proposed Smile release at the time.

It's interesting that FH seems to have been more on the same page with Capitol at that time than now.  Who knows...   But do we really know for sure that there is an ongoing dispute?  Van Dyke Parks recently mentioned how pleased he was that Frank's work was finally getting its due with this release.  Of course, VDP may have simply seen mock-up packaging that was prepared without formal permission.  We've yet to see anything official from either side.  All we seem to have here are rumors.

Like the aforementioned rarities in the possession of collectors, the Holmes artwork is, to some extent, a now-or-never proposition for both sides.  If it's not purchased by Capitol now, it may never be.  I'm sure that all parties realize this, and I hope that things will be worked out eventually.

Another issue could be how the payment is made. I think this set will sell for many years so a fee based on units sold may not appeal to Frank who I think is in his late 70s. He could be after a larger 'one off' fee now which is making Capitol nervous.

based on years, his fee might get reduced too. A lot of sales this year, then a lot more in a couple years when the set hits the cut-out/overmanufacture racks

[Roger Ryan]

Don't forget that Mr. Holmes' illustrations appeared in BEAUTIFUL DREAMER (the new ones at least -and animated! - but I seem to recall the cover was used as well along with portions of the original illustrations - I haven't watched it in awhile). If the illustrations were used in the documentary, you would think there wouldn't be a huge problem in licensing them for the box set. Perhaps a lower fee was negotiated which would allow for the images to appear in the booklet as historical reference (like the cover was used in the GV Box Set booklet) and not as part of the actual cover art.

[desmondo]

It will all be included in my forthcoming book The Smile Sessions Finally Released in 2011, or How To Piss Off Phil Cohen At One Fell Stroke. 

Will that also be released before October?   

Day after the box.

Can this be pre-ordered at Amazon?

Only pre-ordered at Borders.

I will only buy this if I can't get my hands on the epic Bill Tobleman/Fishmonk book.

RALMAO

[ESQ Editor]

All 20 of Frank's drawings will be making their appearance in the deluxe box set.

[The Shift]

All 20 of Frank's drawings will be making their appearance in the deluxe box set.

Splendid, fitting news. Many thanks David. I hope the cover is used as a cover, if you get my drift…

[Matt Bielewicz]

Yes, exactly... will the drawings be IN the box set... or ON the box set?

I don't know anything either way, but I'm curious. Sticking 'em printed small with the other archive shots in the documentation IN the box isn't the same as having THAT COVER... er... on the cover.

I guess it might have proven difficult to come to a commercial agreement over the cover of the set.

And of course... the SMiLE Sessions *ISN'T* the original SMiLE album (which, of course, can never be)... so maybe we're in for a Pet Sounds Sessions-style 'similar but different' cover. That works for me too...

[bgas]

All 20 of Frank's drawings will be making their appearance in the deluxe box set.

Where ya been?

[juggler]

All 20 of Frank's drawings will be making their appearance in the deluxe box set.

Any idea of what drawings will be on or in the double-CD edition?