Brian has signed off on Smile Sessions......

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

Didn't someone else make a Faberge egg reference.

[juggler]

Didn't someone else make a Faberge egg reference.

VDP has said it at least 3 times now. Not sure if someone else has said it as well.

And, yes, at the time of the Record Collector interview VDP indicated that he hadn't seen the prototype yet, but in the interview last weekend he indicated that he had seen it.  And he seems to be sticking with the Faberge egg analogy.

[Jonas]

Its weird that every time I read a VDP quote I hear it in his voice.

[Micha]

Didn't someone else make a Faberge egg reference.

Will the vinyl be egg-shaped?

[Bill Tobelman]

It will be interesting to see whether Boyd & Linett try & rearrange the old tracks a la BWPS or they simply sequence the older stuff "as is."

My understanding was that that even the 1988 (I think) tape box stuff was largely compiled and pieced together by Mark Linett, as was stuff on the GV box set. If that's the case then perhaps something closer to BWPS should be in order.

What I find consistent about BWPS and the project in general is the idea of the pun. Frank Holmes has made mention of, and pointed out, the visual pun in his SMiLE artwork. Van Dyke Parks wrote pun filled lyrics for SMilE. And the musical sequencing for SMiLE often had the ending of one song becoming the beginning of another song sometimes in a slightly different way. In this fashion there is a musical pun....one thing becomes something else.

Heck the idea of dominoes is like this. Each domino has two values.

[Bill Tobelman]

Or rather, I should say, one ting is, at the same time, something else.

[bgas]

It will be interesting to see whether Boyd & Linett try & rearrange the old tracks a la BWPS or they simply sequence the older stuff "as is."

My understanding was that that even the 1988 (I think) tape box stuff was largely compiled and pieced together by Mark Linett, as was stuff on the GV box set. If that's the case then perhaps something closer to BWPS should be in order.

What I find consistent about BWPS and the project in general is the idea of the pun. Frank Holmes has made mention of, and pointed out, the visual pun in his SMiLE artwork. Van Dyke Parks wrote pun filled lyrics for SMilE. And the musical sequencing for SMiLE often had the ending of one song becoming the beginning of another song sometimes in a slightly different way. In this fashion there is a musical pun....one thing becomes something else.

Heck the idea of dominoes is like this. Each domino has two values.

Uhh, This would mean that you know the original SMiLE sequence;  I mean how else would you know that " the musical sequencing for SMiLE often had the ending of one song becoming the beginning of another song" ?  
Finally!  The person who's been entrusted with "The Vision". I'm glad it's you, Bill.

[Bill Tobelman]

Domenic Priore has been onto this since day one. His track sequencing was largely based upon how one track flowed flawlessly into the next.

That's what I mean by a musical pun.

[Bill Tobelman]

And all this see see and done done & pun stuff was to get you to pick up onto the two in the one. Dig?

[Bill Tobelman]

These little triggers were to indicate that there are two layers of meaning in SMiLE. Pet Sounds is on one level but SMiLE is on two levels.

[Andrew G. Doe]

These little triggers were to indicate that there are two layers of meaning in SMiLE. Pet Sounds is on one level but SMiLE is on two levels.

Crap, here we go again.

Actually, we don't - I've been there, read the 'guide' book, had a laugh, moved on.

[Chocolate Shake Man]

What I find consistent about BWPS and the project in general is the idea of the pun. Frank Holmes has made mention of, and pointed out, the visual pun in his SMiLE artwork. Van Dyke Parks wrote pun filled lyrics for SMilE. And the musical sequencing for SMiLE often had the ending of one song becoming the beginning of another song sometimes in a slightly different way. In this fashion there is a musical pun....one thing becomes something else.

If you define a pun as vaguely as "one thing that becomes something else" then I suppose you could call just about anything a pun. I'm sorry but "the ending of one song becoming the beginning of another song" is nothing like what a pun is supposed to do.

[hypehat]

Domenic Priore has been onto this since day one. His track sequencing was largely based upon how one track flowed flawlessly into the next.

That's what I mean by a musical pun.

No he wasn't. Dom Priore's tracklist is based on pretty much what anyone's Smile tracklist was based on - their own opinion based on the limited evidence of boots. Dom just had a rather inflated sense of his own opinion. I mean, do you really suppose She's Goin' Bald was supposed to be on SMiLE?

[A Million Units In Jan!]

Domenic Priore has been onto this since day one. His track sequencing was largely based upon how one track flowed flawlessly into the next.

Have to disagree with you on this, Bill. Hypehat is right- Priore's sequence was the proper sequence- to him. He didn't have the absolute correct answers (and he famously declared the use of link tracks as necessity. Which is absurd, because everyone involved has said this wasn't so).  You can pretty much make a case for just about any SMiLE track flowing flawlessly into another. I've heard a million different tracklistings, and pretty much all of them made sense.

[Bill Tobelman]

Andrew B. Doe said

:
Actually, we don't - I've been there, read the 'guide' book, had a laugh, moved on.

You are a freakin' genius Andrew.

Hypehat & A Million Units:

Sorry if I didn't explain my comment well. All I was pointing out was that Domenic valued the flow from one track into another. BWPS did the same.

When the rhythm stays the same and the tools from the workshop turn into the percussion of Vegetables--this is what I mean by a musical pun. Or the end of Wonderful becomes the beginning of Song For Children. Same idea.

[bgas]

Andrew B. Doe said

:
Actually, we don't - I've been there, read the 'guide' book, had a laugh, moved on.

You are a freakin' genius Andrew.

Hypehat & A Million Units:

Sorry if I didn't explain my comment well. All I was pointing out was that Domenic valued the flow from one track into another. BWPS did the same.

When the rhythm stays the same and the tools from the workshop turn into the percussion of Vegetables--this is what I mean by a musical pun. Or the end of Wonderful becomes the beginning of Song For Children. Same idea.

When the moon is in the 7th house, and Jupiter aligns with Mars.  Same idea

[Bill Tobelman]

That's correct bgas. You got it right.

[Andrew G. Doe]

Sorry if I didn't explain my comment well. All I was pointing out was that Domenic valued the flow from one track into another. BWPS did the same.

When the rhythm stays the same and the tools from the workshop turn into the percussion of Vegetables--this is what I mean by a musical pun. Or the end of Wonderful becomes the beginning of Song For Children. Same idea.

Bill, do you know the meaning of the word "disingenuous" ?

This is what you actually said:

"Domenic Priore has been onto this since day one. His track sequencing was largely based upon how one track flowed flawlessly into the next.
That's what I mean by a musical pun... And all this see see and done done & pun stuff was to get you to pick up onto the two in the one. Dig ? These little triggers were to indicate that there are two layers of meaning in SMiLE. Pet Sounds is on one level but SMiLE is on two levels."

[Bill Tobelman]

That's correct Andrew. Domenic's concern with ending of one track vis a vis the beginning of the following track is like a pun. It leads you down one road only to be also a different road, the same music has two different meanings.

That's not saying that Domenic's track line-up is perfect. It's just to point out that his appreciation of that track to track quality could also be seen on BWPS and fits into the pun idea.

[Bill Tobelman]

Also Andrew, I was not being disingenuous.

The more unlikely or ‘far-fetched’ the...more unexpected and impressive the achievement!!!

[Jonas]

God, I wish you guys would just fucking fight already.

[Bill Tobelman]

Andrew apparently read Watts' The Joyous Cosmology & dismissed the whole thing. That book was the one Bob Hanes claimed Brian had requested prior to his dabbling with SMiLE & BWPS. Bob felt the book had significance SMiLE-wise.

The deal was that Andrew was going to tell folks what the book was about, but apparently that part of the deal fell through.

The book is about the LSD experience. Watts describes a number of experiences as best he can using words. Timothy Leary & Ram Das wrote the intro.

The whole point of this was to give a more accurate picture of the times & environment from which SMiLE arose.

[Chocolate Shake Man]

That's correct Andrew. Domenic's concern with ending of one track vis a vis the beginning of the following track is like a pun.

No, but really, that's nothing like a pun.

[hypehat]

God, I wish you guys would just friggin' fight already.

I hereby demand satisfaction, in Trafalgar Square, UK. At a date meeting Mr. Tobelman's schedule, to be settled by PM.

[Shady]

God, I wish you guys would just friggin' fight already.

A mod hoping for an argument.

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