Brian has signed off on Smile Sessions......

[18thofMay]

Bill you really really need to place a mirror next to your bed and wake up to yourself!

[Dunderhead]

Bill you really really need to place a mirror next to your bed and wake up to yourself!

blah blah blah

[18thofMay]

Bill you really really need to place a mirror next to your bed and wake up to yourself!

blah blah blah

The "Wingman" has spoken. 90% of your post's are blah blah blah!

[vintagemusic]

Just out of curiosity. What percentage of these arguments and disagreements.
About the intended running order, and link tracks, and the double meanings
will be resolved by the actual release of the box set.

In other words. Will many of these issues be settled once and for all, or will
people keep to their prior positions regardless of what is in the box set, and
how it is assembled.

[Bill Tobelman]

18th of May said:

Bill you really really need to place a mirror next to your bed and wake up to yourself!

First off--I really like the mirror reference. It's very SMiLE era stuff. The "mirror of the mind" and hypnosis & things of this nature were on Brian's mind at the time (Koestler even mentions Plotinus & the mirror(or is it plot-in-us?)).

I'm honestly not trying to con people or spread non truths. I've placed hundreds of quotes online over the years & I promise they are all accurate and not taken out of context. Feel free to put each & every one of them to the test.

I've asked various people over the years if I should stop in the pursuit of this viewpoint (as it might cause problems for certain people). Typically I received either no response or was told "no way, keep going." But just so you know, efforts were made in that direction.

One thing that's I have found that's of great interest is a Michael Vosse quote about Brian's SMiLE era viewpoint on laughter.

"He told me that he felt laughter as one of the highest forms of divinity and that when someone was laughing, their connection with the thing that was making them laugh made them more 'open' than they could be at just about any other time."

What's really cool is the "their connection with the thing that was making them laugh" part.

So then, if the thing that is making you laugh is the discovery of a spiritual experience---then you're 'open' to having a similar experience.

[Mike's Beard]

18th of May said:

Bill you really really need to place a mirror next to your bed and wake up to yourself!

First off--I really like the mirror reference. It's very SMiLE era stuff. The "mirror of the mind" and hypnosis & things of this nature were on Brian's mind at the time (Koestler even mentions Plotinus & the mirror(or is it plot-in-us?)).

I love it! You throw a dig at the guy and he turns it into a deeply symbolic metaphor in the context of Smile.

[Andrew G. Doe]

Just out of curiosity. What percentage of these arguments and disagreements.
About the intended running order, and link tracks, and the double meanings
will be resolved by the actual release of the box set.

I can give you an absolutely exact answer to that question: 0%.

In other words. Will many of these issues be settled once and for all, or will
people keep to their prior positions regardless of what is in the box set, and
how it is assembled.

Consider the very recent example of the (non-)Rapture. Despite the very obvious explanation, some folk were saying that the delay in it occurring was just a further test of their faith. You can't tell someone something they don't want to hear.

[Mikie]

"You can't tell someone something they don't want to hear."  Isn't that what your Dad use to say, AGD?  You know, I use that one on my girlfriend sometimes. I think it works. 

As far as the Smile running order and link tracks - at least that number is finite. The double meanings aren't.

[guitarfool2002]

Is it wrong to say the very notion of an organized Smile tracklist and order was a fantasy from the first time the idea was published? There was the handwritten tracklist from Peter Reum's collection that got published but there was no specific order to it, and every sequence which came from that was someone's speculation. It's just odd how ideas snowball so much through the years that they become fodder for debate with not many hard facts to debate other than a list of song titles.

[Dunderhead]

Bill you really really need to place a mirror next to your bed and wake up to yourself!

blah blah blah

The "Wingman" has spoken. 90% of your post's are blah blah blah!

vs 100% of yours.

[A Million Units In Jan!]

You guys are a couple of fucking children.

[vintagemusic]

Just out of curiosity. What percentage of these arguments and disagreements.
About the intended running order, and link tracks, and the double meanings
will be resolved by the actual release of the box set.

I can give you an absolutely exact answer to that question: 0%.

In other words. Will many of these issues be settled once and for all, or will
people keep to their prior positions regardless of what is in the box set, and
how it is assembled.

Consider the very recent example of the (non-)Rapture. Despite the very obvious explanation, some folk were saying that the delay in it occurring was just a further test of their faith. You can't tell someone something they don't want to hear.

Finally someone that makes sense. I thought it was me going crazy.

[37!ws]

Consider the very recent example of the (non-)Rapture. Despite the very obvious explanation, some folk were saying that the delay in it occurring was just a further test of their faith. You can't tell someone something they don't want to hear.

I wonder how many people STILL don't believe that that little snippet on Endless Harmony (and was eventually fully realized and released) is "I'm In Great Shape"...

[bgas]

Consider the very recent example of the (non-)Rapture. Despite the very obvious explanation, some folk were saying that the delay in it occurring was just a further test of their faith. You can't tell someone something they don't want to hear.

I wonder how many people STILL don't believe that that little snippet on Endless Harmony (and was eventually fully realized and released) is "I'm In Great Shape"...

What snippet?  Is it on vinyl?

[rogerlancelot]

Just out of curiosity. What percentage of these arguments and disagreements.
About the intended running order, and link tracks, and the double meanings
will be resolved by the actual release of the box set.

I can give you an absolutely exact answer to that question: 0%.

In other words. Will many of these issues be settled once and for all, or will
people keep to their prior positions regardless of what is in the box set, and
how it is assembled.

Consider the very recent example of the (non-)Rapture. Despite the very obvious explanation, some folk were saying that the delay in it occurring was just a further test of their faith. You can't tell someone something they don't want to hear.

Aging country singer Kenny Rogers is totally correct on this! Who would have known that he would be so much of a BB fan / historian???

[Dove Nested Towers]

Going back a few pages, I am a little dismayed to see in the interview with Brian that he has "disapproved" some material. If it is anything that has been unofficially released, fine. But if it is ONE IOTA of any previously unheard musical fragment, that will be a crying shame and the set will be somewhat "compromised" IMO.

[buddhahat]

Going back a few pages, I am a little dismayed to see in the interview with Brian that he has "disapproved" some material. If it is anything that has been unofficially released, fine. But if it is ONE IOTA of any previously unheard musical fragment, that will be a crying shame and the set will be somewhat "compromised" IMO.

Well who knows. I'd hope that if it was any unbooted material of major significance, Brian would be strongly dissuaded from disapproving it as it will be a major selling point to hardcore fans like us.

If it's some of the more throwaway material such as the skits, or george fell into his french horn or the Rock With Me Henry version of Wonderful, then I can live with that.

I think we have to be realistic that not absolutely every recorded second of the Smile sessions are going to make it onto this release.

Also, would it not be a shame if Brian had no input into this release?

[JMZ]

If it is anything that has been unofficially released, fine.

Well, to me, having HQ (and maybe more "complete"= more overdubs) versions of already booted material like Holidays, Barnyard, Child is father to the man or Look is important, so I hope he didn't disapprove any of these !

[Andrew G. Doe]

Going back a few pages, I am a little dismayed to see in the interview with Brian that he has "disapproved" some material. If it is anything that has been unofficially released, fine. But if it is ONE IOTA of any previously unheard musical fragment, that will be a crying shame and the set will be somewhat "compromised" IMO.

IMHO, it's Brian's music from the ground up and he can do what he damn well likes with it.

[juggler]

Well who knows. I'd hope that if it was any unbooted material of major significance, Brian would be strongly dissuaded from disapproving it as it will be a major selling point to hardcore fans like us.

Yeah, I have to agree.  At this point, it seems highly unlikely that some mind-blowing gem is going to be left off on the whim of Brian Wilson.  I'm sure that if Brian strongly resisted inclusion of such a piece, the folks in charge of the project would make every effort to change his mind... even if that meant calling in his wifeandmanagers or bribing him with food or something. 

Of course, if something major IS excluded, I guess we can all start pining away for Smile box 2.0.   

[JMZ]

At this point, it seems highly unlikely that some mind-blowing gem is going to be left off on the whim of Brian Wilson.

Well, Brian already trashed gems ... Look what he's done to SMiLE in 66/67 

[Iron Horse-Apples]

Going back a few pages, I am a little dismayed to see in the interview with Brian that he has "disapproved" some material. If it is anything that has been unofficially released, fine. But if it is ONE IOTA of any previously unheard musical fragment, that will be a crying shame and the set will be somewhat "compromised" IMO.

Well who knows. I'd hope that if it was any unbooted material of major significance, Brian would be strongly dissuaded from disapproving it as it will be a major selling point to hardcore fans like us.

If it's some of the more throwaway material such as the skits, or george fell into his french horn or the Rock With Me Henry version of Wonderful, then I can live with that.

Rock With Me Henry is my favourite version of Wonderful. I'll be very sad if it's not on there, still, the SOT version is pretty good quality.

Just goes to show that one mans' wonderful is another mans' summer in paradise

[Micha]

I mean, do you really suppose She's Goin' Bald was supposed to be on SMiLE?

I don't even think that the "He gives speeches" segment was supposed to be on SMiLE, and I'm still using it in all of my own mixes!

[Rich Panteluk]

Really Iron Horse-Apples?  Rock With Me Henry is your favourite version of Wonderful?  No disrespect, but I'm with Buddahat on this one.  Wonderful is one of my faves from Smile and the first time I heard the Rock With Me Henry version I was shocked at how it ruined such a pure and beautiful song.  I love Brian's experimentations but I feel like he realized that it just didn't fit with the vibe of the song and that is why it has never officially surfaced.  I was surprised that the SOT folks put it as the representative version of wonderful on the the single disc smile set.  Don't get me wrong I am happy to have heard it and i would be happy for it to be on the box set but I hope it doesn't make it onto the first disc of the 2 cd set.

But you are right the different stokes for different folks.  I have a soft spot for several BB / BW songs that others can't stand (Saturday Morning In The City and Make It Big are two examples of my guilty pleasures and I could name dozens more that many BB/BW fans have mocked me for enjoying...)

[desmondo]

Going back a few pages, I am a little dismayed to see in the interview with Brian that he has "disapproved" some material. If it is anything that has been unofficially released, fine. But if it is ONE IOTA of any previously unheard musical fragment, that will be a crying shame and the set will be somewhat "compromised" IMO.

So what you are asking for is every single second of the Smile Sessions???