The Smiley Smile Message Board
Welcome,
Guest
. Please
login
or
register
.
1 Hour
1 Day
1 Week
1 Month
Forever
Login with username, password and session length
If you like this message board, please help with the hosting costs!
680783
Posts in
27616
Topics by
4067
Members - Latest Member:
Dae Lims
April 24, 2024, 03:46:43 AM
The Smiley Smile Message Board
|
Smiley Smile Stuff
|
General On Topic Discussions
|
Laughing Gravy's "Vege-Tables"
0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.
« previous
next »
Pages:
[
1
]
Author
Topic: Laughing Gravy's "Vege-Tables" (Read 4237 times)
onkster
Smiley Smile Associate
Offline
Posts: 882
Laughing Gravy's "Vege-Tables"
«
on:
April 04, 2011, 05:19:37 PM »
This might've been solved ages ago, but I never heard about it:
On my old vinyl SMILE #2, it says that the backing track is a SMiLE-era recording made by Brian.
I don't believe it myself. It sounds close, but to my ears, it's a good approximation.
Any validity to this tale? What's the full story, if anybody knows? (Besides Dean Torrance, that is...)
Logged
Mooger Fooger
Smiley Smile Associate
Offline
Posts: 464
Re: Laughing Gravy's \
«
Reply #1 on:
April 04, 2011, 06:11:32 PM »
It is defintely NOT a smile track. It was recorded by Dean, Joe Osborne and Larry Knetchel in Osborne's garage studio. Recorded circa June 1967 after Dean heard the Smiley track. The single also credits the song as "from the album Smiley Smile" on the label. The interview in which Dean mentions the background to the song was done in 1973 and printed in Hot Wax in 1978. Released on White Whale records.
«
Last Edit: April 04, 2011, 06:12:37 PM by Mooger Fooger
»
Logged
Andrew G. Doe
Smiley Smile Associate
Offline
Gender:
Posts: 17767
The triumph of The Hickey Script !
Re: Laughing Gravy's \
«
Reply #2 on:
April 05, 2011, 01:51:26 AM »
Quote from: Mooger Fooger on April 04, 2011, 06:11:32 PM
It is defintely NOT a smile track. It was recorded by Dean, Joe Osborne and Larry Knetchel in Osborne's garage studio. Recorded circa June 1967 after Dean heard the Smiley track. The single also credits the song as "from the album Smiley Smile" on the label. The interview in which Dean mentions the background to the song was done in 1973 and printed in Hot Wax in 1978. Released on White Whale records.
Two versions:
10/67 The Laughing Gravy White Whale WW 261 Vegetables/Snowflakes On Laughing Gravy's Whiskers
1/72 Jan & Dean United Artists 50859 Vegetables/Jenny Lee
It's all a bit confused, but J&D experts consider that the first is purely a DT production, while the second has Brian & Spring on bvs, and Brian may have co-produced (although it also apparently uses the 1967 track/lead). Confused ? Me too.
Logged
The four sweetest words in my vocabulary: "This poster is ignored".
Rocker
Smiley Smile Associate
Online
Gender:
Posts: 10631
"Too dumb for New York City, too ugly for L.A."
Re: Laughing Gravy's \
«
Reply #3 on:
April 05, 2011, 02:50:11 AM »
So, which one is on "Pet projects"?
BTW, I think that version is superior to the Beach Boys' SmileySmile-version.
Logged
a diseased bunch of mo'fos if there ever was one… their beauty is so awesome that listening to them at their best is like being in some vast dream cathedral decorated with a thousand gleaming American pop culture icons.
- Lester Bangs on The Beach Boys
PRO SHOT BEACH BOYS CONCERTS - LIST
To sum it up, they blew it, they blew it consistently, they continue to blow it, it is tragic and this pathological problem caused The Beach Boys' greatest music to be so underrated by the general public.
- Jack Rieley
Christian
Smiley Smile Associate
Offline
Gender:
Posts: 308
Re: Laughing Gravy's \
«
Reply #4 on:
April 05, 2011, 04:08:01 AM »
Quote from: Mooger Fooger on April 04, 2011, 06:11:32 PM
It was recorded by Dean, Joe Osborne and Larry Knetchel in Osborne's garage studio.
Recorded circa June 1967
Though the label of UA 50859 (erroneously) states "recorded fall ´68".
Quote from: Rocker on April 05, 2011, 02:50:11 AM
So, which one is on "Pet projects"?
It´s the version released as UA 50859 by Jan & Dean.
«
Last Edit: April 05, 2011, 08:22:56 AM by Christian
»
Logged
onkster
Smiley Smile Associate
Offline
Posts: 882
Re: Laughing Gravy's \
«
Reply #5 on:
April 05, 2011, 08:07:57 AM »
I always liked the little recited list of vegetables in the fade--the one thing I feel is missing from the BB's version.
Logged
Bicyclerider
Smiley Smile Associate
Offline
Posts: 2132
Re: Laughing Gravy's \
«
Reply #6 on:
April 05, 2011, 10:02:06 AM »
The original Laughing Gravy single is available on CD on In the Garden: the White Whale Story. As far as I know this is the only place you'll find it.
The remake is the same track/lead vocal with backing vocals by Brian and Marilyn and who knows who else, and I assume the backing vocals are what Brian "produced."
Logged
Rocker
Smiley Smile Associate
Online
Gender:
Posts: 10631
"Too dumb for New York City, too ugly for L.A."
Re: Laughing Gravy's \
«
Reply #7 on:
April 05, 2011, 10:52:35 AM »
If Jan was there too, would it have been recorded at the same time as "Don't you just know it" ?
Logged
a diseased bunch of mo'fos if there ever was one… their beauty is so awesome that listening to them at their best is like being in some vast dream cathedral decorated with a thousand gleaming American pop culture icons.
- Lester Bangs on The Beach Boys
PRO SHOT BEACH BOYS CONCERTS - LIST
To sum it up, they blew it, they blew it consistently, they continue to blow it, it is tragic and this pathological problem caused The Beach Boys' greatest music to be so underrated by the general public.
- Jack Rieley
Andrew G. Doe
Smiley Smile Associate
Offline
Gender:
Posts: 17767
The triumph of The Hickey Script !
Re: Laughing Gravy's \
«
Reply #8 on:
April 05, 2011, 12:19:15 PM »
Quote from: Rocker on April 05, 2011, 10:52:35 AM
If Jan was there too, would it have been recorded at the same time as "Don't you just know it" ?
Brian's vocal, and the track, were allegedly recorded in 1970.
However, Jan had nothing to do with either version of "Vegetables"
«
Last Edit: April 05, 2011, 12:20:27 PM by Andrew G. Doe
»
Logged
The four sweetest words in my vocabulary: "This poster is ignored".
Rocker
Smiley Smile Associate
Online
Gender:
Posts: 10631
"Too dumb for New York City, too ugly for L.A."
Re: Laughing Gravy's \
«
Reply #9 on:
April 05, 2011, 01:04:16 PM »
Quote from: Andrew G. Doe on April 05, 2011, 12:19:15 PM
However, Jan had nothing to do with either version of "Vegetables"
Allright. i just thought because the label says Background: Jan Berry - Brian Wilson
So probably just a promotional thing, right ?
Logged
a diseased bunch of mo'fos if there ever was one… their beauty is so awesome that listening to them at their best is like being in some vast dream cathedral decorated with a thousand gleaming American pop culture icons.
- Lester Bangs on The Beach Boys
PRO SHOT BEACH BOYS CONCERTS - LIST
To sum it up, they blew it, they blew it consistently, they continue to blow it, it is tragic and this pathological problem caused The Beach Boys' greatest music to be so underrated by the general public.
- Jack Rieley
Andrew G. Doe
Smiley Smile Associate
Offline
Gender:
Posts: 17767
The triumph of The Hickey Script !
Re: Laughing Gravy's \
«
Reply #10 on:
April 05, 2011, 03:13:41 PM »
Quote from: Rocker on April 05, 2011, 01:04:16 PM
Quote from: Andrew G. Doe on April 05, 2011, 12:19:15 PM
However, Jan had nothing to do with either version of "Vegetables"
Allright. i just thought because the label says Background: Jan Berry - Brian Wilson
So probably just a promotional thing, right ?
I'd say so - Jan's certainly not in any photos of the later session that I've seen.
Logged
The four sweetest words in my vocabulary: "This poster is ignored".
mrski
Smiley Smile Associate
Offline
Posts: 75
Re: Laughing Gravy's \
«
Reply #11 on:
April 07, 2011, 01:47:33 AM »
Quote from: Bicyclerider on April 05, 2011, 10:02:06 AM
The original Laughing Gravy single is available on CD on In the Garden: the White Whale Story.
As far as I know this is the only place you'll find it.
The remake is the same track/lead vocal with backing vocals by Brian and Marilyn and who knows who else, and I assume the backing vocals are what Brian "produced."
It's also on the Japanese CD "I Still Dream Of You: Rare Works Of Brian Wilson" (MMCD-409).
By comparison, I think the track on "Pet Projects" although credited to The Laughing Gravy, is actually the later 'J&D' remake.
Logged
Bicyclerider
Smiley Smile Associate
Offline
Posts: 2132
Re: Laughing Gravy's \
«
Reply #12 on:
April 07, 2011, 08:59:24 AM »
I have that I Still I Dream of You - I'll have to pull it out.
Logged
ESQ Editor
Honored Guest
Offline
Gender:
Posts: 541
Re: Laughing Gravy's \
«
Reply #13 on:
April 07, 2011, 12:22:20 PM »
No Jan involvement…strictly a Dean Torrence vision.
Here's an excerpt from my interview with Torrence in 2007—
ESQ: Why was “Vegetables” initially released as The Laughing Gravy?
DT: It was pretty obvious to me that Jan wanted full control over the recordings. As far as I was concerned we missed our window of opportunity, which was somewhat shortly there after his accident. We had the press, we still had somewhat of a track record that still wasn’t that far in the past. …at that point I resolved myself to the fact Jan was not going to allow anything to happen that he didn’t do, so I didn’t even consider it to be a Jan & Dean song. Because we did that tape at Joe’s house anytime we were messing around or had extra time on our hands we would tinker with it. There were probably tons of different versions with add-ons and subtractions just on a whim. I don’t remember in what sequence of order it happened.
ESQ: Tell me about “Snowflakes on Laughing Gravy's Whiskers,” the B-side for “Vegetables.”
DT: It was the same jamming-type scenario with all the musicians sitting around and experimenting with different instruments, studio electronics, etc. They would sit around and come up with melodies, and when they’d get bored with it they’d put it back in the box and a couple weeks later take it out and tinker with it some more. The whole idea was to make it sound like it was lifted from an old film. It was pretty progressive for its time. That’s a case of the studio guys just amusing themselves.
ESQ: What are the differences between the White Whale version and the version that ended up on the Jan & Dean Anthology album?
DT: I really don’t remember.
ESQ: That’s a really cool picture sleeve that you put together for the “Jenny Lee”/”Vegetables” single with the tear look with the album cover behind it.
DT: That was actually a promotional piece to promote the Jan & Dean Anthology album. It wasn’t really a “serious” record that we thought was gonna get played on the radio. It was just a promotional piece that had the oldest song on the album and the newest song on the album, and if you wanted to hear everything in between then you had to get the anthology. Using pieces from the actual album cover was kind of a way to tie the whole piece in continuity-wise: the LP with the little promotional piece.
© ESQ 2007/All Rights Reserved
Logged
Pages:
[
1
]
Jump to:
Please select a destination:
-----------------------------
Smiley Smile Stuff
-----------------------------
=> BRIAN WILSON Q & A
=> Welcome to the Smiley Smile board
=> General On Topic Discussions
===> Ask The Honored Guests
===> Smiley Smile Reference Threads
=> Smile Sessions Box Set (2011)
=> The Beach Boys Media
=> Concert Reviews
=> Album, Book and Video Reviews And Discussions
===> 1960's Beach Boys Albums
===> 1970's Beach Boys Albums
===> 1980's Beach Boys Albums
===> 1990's Beach Boys Albums
===> 21st Century Beach Boys Albums
===> Brian Wilson Solo Albums
===> Other Solo Albums
===> Produced by or otherwise related to
===> Tribute Albums
===> DVDs and Videos
===> Book Reviews
===> 'Rank the Tracks'
===> Polls
-----------------------------
Non Smiley Smile Stuff
-----------------------------
=> General Music Discussion
=> General Entertainment Thread
=> Smiley Smilers Who Make Music
=> The Sandbox
Powered by SMF 1.1.21
|
SMF © 2015, Simple Machines
Page created in 0.35 seconds with 22 queries.
Helios Multi
design by
Bloc
Loading...