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Re: Domenic Priore on The SMiLE Sessions
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It could be an opener *and* a closer, in fact in theory it could work quite well and I think I have heard other albums in the years since 1967 use a piece of music to open and fade out an album or a section of an album, though my memory isn't letting me remember exact titles for reference.
For music theory buffs the ending major chord of "Our Prayer" is a composer's device several hundred years old called a "Picardy third", where a piece that starts in a minor key ends on a major chord rather than the expected tonic minor. It's a beautiful sound, and along with a major 7th chord one of my favorite sounds in music.
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Re: Domenic Priore on The SMiLE Sessions
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I never though Our Prayers key made it sound sad. To me it makes it sound immense.
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Re: Domenic Priore on The SMiLE Sessions
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Quote from: guitarfool2002 on March 28, 2011, 08:56:27 AM
It could be an opener *and* a closer, in fact in theory it could work quite well and I think I have heard other albums in the years since 1967 use a piece of music to open and fade out an album or a section of an album, though my memory isn't letting me remember exact titles for reference.
For music theory buffs the ending major chord of "Our Prayer" is a composer's device several hundred years old called a "Picardy third", where a piece that starts in a minor key ends on a major chord rather than the expected tonic minor. It's a beautiful sound, and along with a major 7th chord one of my favorite sounds in music.
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Re: Domenic Priore on The SMiLE Sessions
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Vosse doesn't imply that Prayer was the closer - remember, 20/20 was already out and Vosse had heard it as he references it during the Fusion interview. He says a choral a capella thing. Which certainly would describe Prayer but then why not say it was Prayer? So it had to be something else. I think the excised/edited section of Prayer (edited from a 66 mix, it's on boots) would certainly be a candidate.
As for Frank being paid - the $500 quote comes from Derek Bill - he's spoken to Frank and met him several times, but he didn't specifically say that quote came from Frank. And then Mark London put forth the $2000 amount, right here on this board I believe.
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Sad? No. Spiritual? Yes. I played AlternateBrianWilsonSMiLE for some friends a few days ago and they were hooked just by hearing 'Our Prayer' - One made the comment: "This is the Beach Boys? This is so much different than the other stuff (ie surf music)." Then again, you could start that album off with any SMiLE track and people would probably have the same reaction. Prayer is a fantastic hook into the album.
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Re: Domenic Priore on The SMiLE Sessions
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Immense
was a strange choice of word..
Spiritual
is a much better adjective...
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Quote from: Bicyclerider on March 28, 2011, 09:53:05 AM
As for Frank being paid - the $500 quote comes from Derek Bill - he's spoken to Frank and met him several times, but he didn't specifically say that quote came from Frank. And then Mark London put forth the $2000 amount, right here on this board I believe.
And yet, there are the many citations that he wasn't paid, more from Frank himself.
And if he was paid, how is it that he has been able to claim( and receive) all rights to his artwork, without Capitol asserting their ownership?
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Re: Domenic Priore on The SMiLE Sessions
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Quote from: pixletwin on March 28, 2011, 10:19:17 AM
Immense
was a strange choice of word..
Spiritual
is a much better adjective...
Let's combine them to make it
immensely spiritual
and call it even
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Quote from: mtaber on September 18, 2021, 07:39:15 AM
God must’ve smiled the day Brian Wilson was born!
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Re: Domenic Priore on The SMiLE Sessions
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Quote from: bgas on March 28, 2011, 10:44:46 AM
Quote from: Bicyclerider on March 28, 2011, 09:53:05 AM
As for Frank being paid - the $500 quote comes from Derek Bill - he's spoken to Frank and met him several times, but he didn't specifically say that quote came from Frank. And then Mark London put forth the $2000 amount, right here on this board I believe.
And yet, there are the many citations that he wasn't paid, more from Frank himself.
And if he was paid, how is it that he has been able to claim( and receive) all rights to his artwork, without Capitol asserting their ownership?
I have no idea whether or not Frank was originally paid.
However, in Billboard's story in 1995 about Capitol planning to release "The Smile Era," we see the following statement:
If original art is obtained, the packaging could include material from the 12-by-12 booklet -- including line drawings by Frank Holmes and photos -- printed for the original "Smile" album and ultimately destroyed.
If Capitol already had the rights to the original art, why in 1995 would they have needed to "obtain" it?
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Re: Domenic Priore on The SMiLE Sessions
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March 28, 2011, 12:21:47 PM »
Quote from: juggler on March 28, 2011, 11:34:23 AM
Quote from: bgas on March 28, 2011, 10:44:46 AM
Quote from: Bicyclerider on March 28, 2011, 09:53:05 AM
As for Frank being paid - the $500 quote comes from Derek Bill - he's spoken to Frank and met him several times, but he didn't specifically say that quote came from Frank. And then Mark London put forth the $2000 amount, right here on this board I believe.
And yet, there are the many citations that he wasn't paid, more from Frank himself.
And if he was paid, how is it that he has been able to claim( and receive) all rights to his artwork, without Capitol asserting their ownership?
I have no idea whether or not Frank was originally paid.
However, in Billboard's story in 1995 about Capitol planning to release "The Smile Era," we see the following statement:
If original art is obtained, the packaging could include material from the 12-by-12 booklet -- including line drawings by Frank Holmes and photos -- printed for the original "Smile" album and ultimately destroyed.
If Capitol already had the rights to the original art, why in 1995 would they have needed to "obtain" it?
Because they never paid Frank for it, and he owns it.
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Re: Domenic Priore on The SMiLE Sessions
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March 28, 2011, 12:42:46 PM »
Quote from: bgas on March 28, 2011, 12:21:47 PM
Quote from: juggler on March 28, 2011, 11:34:23 AM
Quote from: bgas on March 28, 2011, 10:44:46 AM
Quote from: Bicyclerider on March 28, 2011, 09:53:05 AM
As for Frank being paid - the $500 quote comes from Derek Bill - he's spoken to Frank and met him several times, but he didn't specifically say that quote came from Frank. And then Mark London put forth the $2000 amount, right here on this board I believe.
And yet, there are the many citations that he wasn't paid, more from Frank himself.
And if he was paid, how is it that he has been able to claim( and receive) all rights to his artwork, without Capitol asserting their ownership?
I have no idea whether or not Frank was originally paid.
However, in Billboard's story in 1995 about Capitol planning to release "The Smile Era," we see the following statement:
If original art is obtained, the packaging could include material from the 12-by-12 booklet -- including line drawings by Frank Holmes and photos -- printed for the original "Smile" album and ultimately destroyed.
If Capitol already had the rights to the original art, why in 1995 would they have needed to "obtain" it?
Because they never paid Frank for it, and he owns it.
It was more of a rhetorical question, but, yeah, that's the logical inference.
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Re: Domenic Priore on The SMiLE Sessions
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March 28, 2011, 12:47:38 PM »
Quote from: juggler on March 28, 2011, 12:42:46 PM
Quote from: bgas on March 28, 2011, 12:21:47 PM
Quote from: juggler on March 28, 2011, 11:34:23 AM
Quote from: bgas on March 28, 2011, 10:44:46 AM
Quote from: Bicyclerider on March 28, 2011, 09:53:05 AM
As for Frank being paid - the $500 quote comes from Derek Bill - he's spoken to Frank and met him several times, but he didn't specifically say that quote came from Frank. And then Mark London put forth the $2000 amount, right here on this board I believe.
And yet, there are the many citations that he wasn't paid, more from Frank himself.
And if he was paid, how is it that he has been able to claim( and receive) all rights to his artwork, without Capitol asserting their ownership?
I have no idea whether or not Frank was originally paid.
However, in Billboard's story in 1995 about Capitol planning to release "The Smile Era," we see the following statement:
If original art is obtained, the packaging could include material from the 12-by-12 booklet -- including line drawings by Frank Holmes and photos -- printed for the original "Smile" album and ultimately destroyed.
If Capitol already had the rights to the original art, why in 1995 would they have needed to "obtain" it?
Because they never paid Frank for it, and he owns it.
It was more of a rhetorical question, but, yeah, that's the logical inference.
Ahh, but of course! I'm just not into rhetoric
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Re: Domenic Priore on The SMiLE Sessions
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March 28, 2011, 07:31:03 PM »
Quote from: juggler on March 28, 2011, 11:34:23 AM
Quote from: bgas on March 28, 2011, 10:44:46 AM
Quote from: Bicyclerider on March 28, 2011, 09:53:05 AM
As for Frank being paid - the $500 quote comes from Derek Bill - he's spoken to Frank and met him several times, but he didn't specifically say that quote came from Frank. And then Mark London put forth the $2000 amount, right here on this board I believe.
And yet, there are the many citations that he wasn't paid, more from Frank himself.
And if he was paid, how is it that he has been able to claim( and receive) all rights to his artwork, without Capitol asserting their ownership?
I have no idea whether or not Frank was originally paid.
However, in Billboard's story in 1995 about Capitol planning to release "The Smile Era," we see the following statement:
If original art is obtained, the packaging could include material from the 12-by-12 booklet -- including line drawings by Frank Holmes and photos -- printed for the original "Smile" album and ultimately destroyed.
If Capitol already had the rights to the original art, why in 1995 would they have needed to "obtain" it?
Because they no longer had the artwork in their files. That's why they would need to obtain the original artwork.
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Re: Domenic Priore on The SMiLE Sessions
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Quote from: pixletwin on March 28, 2011, 09:15:10 AM
I never though Our Prayers key made it sound sad. To me it makes it sound immense.
Quote from: pixletwin on March 28, 2011, 10:19:17 AM
Immense
was a strange choice of word..
Spiritual
is a much better adjective...
To me it sounds spiritual AND immense AND sad. Sad except for the major chord in the end that makes me feel like hope is being given as the answer to the prayer.
Quote from: buddhahat on March 28, 2011, 01:46:32 AM
It's worth noting that Vosse implies Prayer as a closer, and Siegel mentions Brian playing it last in his private acetate radio show, so I don't think it's a given that Prayer was to open the album.
Well, it's been recorded as an intro, and it's been used as intro on BWPS, so I guess it's THE intro. I don't like it as an intro, but then I'm not Brian Wilson (obviously).
In my own mixes I use You're Welcome as intro. It's in C# just like H&V which follows, so it fits very well.
My old pre-BWPS mixes used to end with Surf's Up -> Prayer -> Good Vibrations. It was kind of nice to find BWPS also ending with GV with even a little Prayer section before it!
Late last year I did a third mix which had Vega-Tables at the end instead. Surf's Up before it ends with the line "A children's song... (and so on)", and then a childlike song follows. And the line "I know that you'll feel better if you send us in a letter..." works especially well if Vega-Tables is the last song!
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Re: Domenic Priore on The SMiLE Sessions
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Our prayer as a closer would be pretty terrible I think.
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Re: Domenic Priore on The SMiLE Sessions
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Quote from: Bicyclerider on March 28, 2011, 09:53:05 AM
Vosse doesn't imply that Prayer was the closer - remember, 20/20 was already out and Vosse had heard it as he references it during the Fusion interview. He says a choral a capella thing. Which certainly would describe Prayer but then why not say it was Prayer? So it had to be something else. I think the excised/edited section of Prayer (edited from a 66 mix, it's on boots) would certainly be a candidate.
You know, I wonder if Vosse might have been thinking about "You're Welcome." It isn't technically a capella, but the instrumental backing isn't prominent. If you had only heard it a few times, you might misremember it as a choral a capella. Of course, "You're Welcome" was also already out (as the b side of the H&V 45), but who knows if Vosse was even paying close attention to details like that?
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