SMiLE Sessions box set!

[Chocolate Shake Man]

Start another thread and moving any future "versus" talk there.  In case anyone forgot THE BEACH BOYS ARE FINALLY RELEASING THEIR HOLY GRAIL and people are bickering about the Beatles comparison in a thread DEVOTED TO THE NEW BOX SET!  With information (and tracks) slowly being leaked/released, there's a reason I check this specific thread several times a day and it's NOT to find out which of these great bands did what better than the other.

Come on.  Focus guys.

Please?

I understand your concern and I love the Smile chat. I contributed virtually nothing when it was revealed on Amazon because I was so in awe of the conversation here.

That being said, it's a 250 page thread and it's not all focused on Smile. There's a question at the top of the thread about whether it should be sent to The Sandbox because of a discussion that has been long abandoned. Despite those deviations, the thread has always come back to the matter at hand, and I have a hard time believing that many people missed all the Amazon.com talk because of the drug discussion from several months ago. I think, if anything, the thread will end up being a nice relic of the kinds of things going on during this crazy time of the Smile talks. And then it will be deleted forever when the board shuts down.

[ghost]

Start another thread and moving any future "versus" talk there.  In case anyone forgot THE BEACH BOYS ARE FINALLY RELEASING THEIR HOLY GRAIL and people are bickering about the Beatles comparison in a thread DEVOTED TO THE NEW BOX SET!  With information (and tracks) slowly being leaked/released, there's a reason I check this specific thread several times a day and it's NOT to find out which of these great bands did what better than the other.

Come on.  Focus guys.

Please?

I understand your concern and I love the Smile chat. I contributed virtually nothing when it was revealed on Amazon because I was so in awe of the conversation here.

That being said, it's a 250 page thread and it's not all focused on Smile. There's a question at the top of the thread about whether it should be sent to The Sandbox because of a discussion that has been long abandoned. Despite those deviations, the thread has always come back to the matter at hand, and I have a hard time believing that many people missed all the Amazon.com talk because of the drug discussion from several months ago. I think, if anything, the thread will end up being a nice relic of the kinds of things going on during this crazy time of the Smile talks. And then it will be deleted forever when the board shuts down.

exactly, this sort of thing is epic, to fragment the thread into pieces means to lose it all to fragments - LIKE SMILE.

come on guys, this is OUR SMILE, - this thread - don;'t f*** it up. let's reach 2 million posts by febuary.

[OneEar/OneEye]

Personally, I really like the Beatles and the Beach Boys.  I also love the Who, the Kinks, Zombies, Lovin' Spoonful, etc.  They all had similar influences, and influenced one another too, but did their own thing with those influences.  They weren't at war, they were climbing that spiral to the sky together.

[Jay]

Ok, here's a question about the SMiLE box set tracklist. I seem to remember Tones/Tune X being one of the songs included. Which version do you think it'll be? The "strings" version*, the keyboard overdub version, or the one with an instrumental insert near the end with the guitar riff?



*I called it the "strings" version because  that's what it always sounded like to me. It sounds like cellos to me. I could be totally wrong though.

[runnersdialzero]

Ok, here's a question about the SMiLE box set tracklist. I seem to remember Tones/Tune X being one of the songs included. Which version do you think it'll be? The "strings" version*, the keyboard overdub version, or the one with an instrumental insert near the end with the guitar riff?



*I called it the "strings" version because  that's what it always sounded like to me. It sounds like cellos to me. I could be totally wrong though.

I think, like other bootlegs, these are mixes as they happened. Thus, if you're listening to "Would Not It Be Nice", track one has the basic track, track two might have the basic track with the first lead vocal, track three might have the 2nd doubled vocal, track four one take of the backup vocals, etc. etc. etc.

Thus, the most complete version is probably what was intended of the song, the earlier mixes were just in-progress sort of things.

(I have no idea if I made any sense, there. sryz.)

[puni puni]

yukurri shiteitte ne man

[Andrew G. Doe]

Ok, here's a question about the SMiLE box set tracklist. I seem to remember Tones/Tune X being one of the songs included. Which version do you think it'll be? The "strings" version*, the keyboard overdub version, or the one with an instrumental insert near the end with the guitar riff?



*I called it the "strings" version because  that's what it always sounded like to me. It sounds like cellos to me. I could be totally wrong though.

I'm thinking it'll be the one they have most tape of.

[Micha]

Took a visit to my local record store today. I pre-ordered the box there. The official release date was October 28th, as on ebay Germany, pretty early. I wonder if that will be the case. But then again, Santa Claus visits German kids on December 24th. (Heartical Don, when is the release in the Netherlands? )

I wonder if the box sets available in Europe are actually produced here rather than transported over the Atlantic. And if so, would that affect the mastering of the vinyls?

I took a look at the used LPs racks. The Beach Boys slot was half filled with misplaced Beatles LPs. That's where this thread got us.

Well, I tried to get it off the Beatles...

But again my question: Will the box sets available in Europe be actually produced here rather than transported over the Atlantic? And if so, would that affect the mastering of the vinyls? Anybody knows anything about this?

[bsten]

Ok, here's a question about the SMiLE box set tracklist. I seem to remember Tones/Tune X being one of the songs included. Which version do you think it'll be? The "strings" version*, the keyboard overdub version, or the one with an instrumental insert near the end with the guitar riff?


*I called it the "strings" version because  that's what it always sounded like to me. It sounds like cellos to me. I could be totally wrong though.

I'm thinking it'll be the one they have most tape of.

The mellotron version then...

[Boiled Egg]

Start another thread and moving any future "versus" talk there.  In case anyone forgot THE BEACH BOYS ARE FINALLY RELEASING THEIR HOLY GRAIL and people are bickering about the Beatles comparison in a thread DEVOTED TO THE NEW BOX SET!  With information (and tracks) slowly being leaked/released, there's a reason I check this specific thread several times a day and it's NOT to find out which of these great bands did what better than the other.

Come on.  Focus guys.

Please?

I understand your concern and I love the Smile chat. I contributed virtually nothing when it was revealed on Amazon because I was so in awe of the conversation here.

That being said, it's a 250 page thread and it's not all focused on Smile. There's a question at the top of the thread about whether it should be sent to The Sandbox because of a discussion that has been long abandoned. Despite those deviations, the thread has always come back to the matter at hand, and I have a hard time believing that many people missed all the Amazon.com talk because of the drug discussion from several months ago. I think, if anything, the thread will end up being a nice relic of the kinds of things going on during this crazy time of the Smile talks. And then it will be deleted forever when the board shuts down.

exactly, this sort of thing is epic, to fragment the thread into pieces means to lose it all to fragments - LIKE SMILE.

come on guys, this is OUR SMILE, - this thread - don;'t f*ck it up. let's reach 2 million posts by febuary.

I'd say we're sure to reach a million posts in January.  (Apologies if I'm the 55th person to say this.)

[desmondo]

It been a while since we had a snippet of stuff from the box set - I reckon we must be due some more info or the odd audio soon (hopefully)

[Cliff1000uk]

Wasn't the mastering for TLOS and BWPS UK albums different to the US albums, hence there was a noticeable difference in quality? Possibly the Gershwin album too?

TLOS is so much better on vinyl than on CD, but that's just my opinion

To answer your question, I imagine if you can buy the vinyl and box-sets over here in the UK, the vinyl will be mastered here too, but that is just a guess

[Andrew G. Doe]

Wasn't the mastering for TLOS and BWPS UK albums different to the US albums, hence there was a noticeable difference in quality?

My EC pressing of TLOS was utterly unlistenable until I ripped it to my iPod (seriously). My US version was, and is, just fine.

[Boiled Egg]

Wasn't the mastering for TLOS and BWPS UK albums different to the US albums, hence there was a noticeable difference in quality?

My EC pressing of TLOS was utterly unlistenable until I ripped it to my iPod (seriously). My US version was, and is, just fine.

That's highly weird.  Surely -- because mastering is SO expensive -- the album wouldn't have been mastered twice?  There's no good reason for that.  Presumably, though, the pressings are different.  In which case, could something in the pressing process have compromised the sound?  Plenty a cheap polymer has krunked a disc along the way.  (I'm looking at you, PDO.)

[Andrew G. Doe]

Wasn't the mastering for TLOS and BWPS UK albums different to the US albums, hence there was a noticeable difference in quality?

My EC pressing of TLOS was utterly unlistenable until I ripped it to my iPod (seriously). My US version was, and is, just fine.

That's highly weird.  Surely -- because mastering is SO expensive -- the album wouldn't have been mastered twice?  There's no good reason for that.  Presumably, though, the pressings are different.  In which case, could something in the pressing process have compromised the sound?  Plenty a cheap polymer has krunked a disc along the way.  (I'm looking at you, PDO.)

My only explanation (and it's not a good one) is they sent over the download master by mistake.

[Boiled Egg]

Wasn't the mastering for TLOS and BWPS UK albums different to the US albums, hence there was a noticeable difference in quality?

My EC pressing of TLOS was utterly unlistenable until I ripped it to my iPod (seriously). My US version was, and is, just fine.

That's highly weird.  Surely -- because mastering is SO expensive -- the album wouldn't have been mastered twice?  There's no good reason for that.  Presumably, though, the pressings are different.  In which case, could something in the pressing process have compromised the sound?  Plenty a cheap polymer has krunked a disc along the way.  (I'm looking at you, PDO.)

My only explanation (and it's not a good one) is they sent over the download master by mistake.

That seems skyscrapingly improbable.

[37!ws]

TLOS is so much better on vinyl than on CD, but that's just my opinion

Obviously you don't have my copy of the vinyl.

[Andrew G. Doe]

Wasn't the mastering for TLOS and BWPS UK albums different to the US albums, hence there was a noticeable difference in quality?

My EC pressing of TLOS was utterly unlistenable until I ripped it to my iPod (seriously). My US version was, and is, just fine.

That's highly weird.  Surely -- because mastering is SO expensive -- the album wouldn't have been mastered twice?  There's no good reason for that.  Presumably, though, the pressings are different.  In which case, could something in the pressing process have compromised the sound?  Plenty a cheap polymer has krunked a disc along the way.  (I'm looking at you, PDO.)

My only explanation (and it's not a good one) is they sent over the download master by mistake.

That seems skyscrapingly improbable.

Three words: "We Got Love". 

[Cliff1000uk]

TLOS is so much better on vinyl than on CD, but that's just my opinion

Obviously you don't have my copy of the vinyl.

Oh dear-I won't ask!! Well, it's been a while since I've played my TLOS LP as it's on my iPod (I know, hang the non-purist!) but I'll give it a go tonight. I'm sure it was fine, though

Yes-don't the BB's/record company have a history of sending the wrong masters or even tracks for pressing?

[Boiled Egg]

Wasn't the mastering for TLOS and BWPS UK albums different to the US albums, hence there was a noticeable difference in quality?

My EC pressing of TLOS was utterly unlistenable until I ripped it to my iPod (seriously). My US version was, and is, just fine.

That's highly weird.  Surely -- because mastering is SO expensive -- the album wouldn't have been mastered twice?  There's no good reason for that.  Presumably, though, the pressings are different.  In which case, could something in the pressing process have compromised the sound?  Plenty a cheap polymer has krunked a disc along the way.  (I'm looking at you, PDO.)

My only explanation (and it's not a good one) is they sent over the download master by mistake.

That seems skyscrapingly improbable.

Three words: "We Got Love". 

...?  Going to have to fill this idiot in.  What happened there?

[Andrew G. Doe]

Wasn't the mastering for TLOS and BWPS UK albums different to the US albums, hence there was a noticeable difference in quality?

My EC pressing of TLOS was utterly unlistenable until I ripped it to my iPod (seriously). My US version was, and is, just fine.

That's highly weird.  Surely -- because mastering is SO expensive -- the album wouldn't have been mastered twice?  There's no good reason for that.  Presumably, though, the pressings are different.  In which case, could something in the pressing process have compromised the sound?  Plenty a cheap polymer has krunked a disc along the way.  (I'm looking at you, PDO.)

My only explanation (and it's not a good one) is they sent over the download master by mistake.

That seems skyscrapingly improbable.

Three words: "We Got Love". 

...?  Going to have to fill this idiot in.  What happened there?

'Wrong' master was sent to Germany - before they could stop them, about 300 copies of Holland with "WGL" instead of "SO,S" were pressed. Rarest BB album there is.

[Wrightfan]

I never knew there was more then one version of Tune X. Only heard the "strings" version before.

[Loaf]

Yes-don't the BB's/record company have a history of sending the wrong masters or even tracks for pressing?

Yes, Capitol sent out Summer in Paradise.

[P.J.]

Yes-don't the BB's/record company have a history of sending the wrong masters or even tracks for pressing?

Yes, Capitol sent out Summer in Paradise.

[The Heartical Don]

Yes-don't the BB's/record company have a history of sending the wrong masters or even tracks for pressing?

Yes, Capitol sent out Summer in Paradise.

  indeed...