SMiLE Sessions box set!

[drbeachboy]

This argument alway sways Brian-centric. I'm not trying to defend Mike or The Beach Boys. I'd like the truth through an objective observer. And you didn't bother to quote that part of my post. You have to admit that those three people mentioned were closest to Brian, especially during that period.

[LostArt]

Re. Brian's 1968 quote: that is a transcript of a radio show, the "...."s may or may not represent stumbling or pauses or might represent breaks for song clips and VO. Anyone have a sample of Brian's portion of that show?

Ummm, I suppose that's possible, but why would a radio show break in the middle of a sentence to do a VO or song clip, and then resume the sentence for a few words, and then break into another VO or song clip.  Read the quote again and imagine all of those '...' replaced with a VO or song clip.  Now, I don't know for certain, but it doesn't seem to make sense.

[Chocolate Shake Man]

This argument alway sways Brian-centric. I'm not trying to defend Mike or The Beach Boys.

I have to say, though, that I think that there is a pretty good reason why the argument "sways Brian-centric". Really, for the most part, all parties involved have been quite consistent in their views, and I'm not surprsied, given those views, that people's opinions should fall in favour of one party over another.

I'd like the truth through an objective observer. And you didn't bother to quote that part of my post.

I didn't bother because I didn't have much to say about it. But I agree that there is no objective observer from that time period, only because there is never a possibility of an objective observer in any situation.

You have to admit that those three people mentioned were closest to Brian, especially during that period.

Yes, they were close to him but that doesn't mean, as I'm sure you'd agree, that they couldn't voice their own opinions on what was happening or what they were seeing.

[rab2591]

I come to this site every day in the hope that there will be some new news on the SMiLE release. Needless to say i'm disappointed nearly every day. Ugh, can't they release a small shred of information?

Sad in the last month i've seen more official news on liam gallagher than I have The Beach Boys.

[Andrew G. Doe]

I come to this site every day in the hope that there will be some new news on the SMiLE release. Needless to say i'm disappointed nearly every day. Ugh, can't they release a small shred of information?

Sad in the last month i've seen more official news on liam gallagher than I have The Beach Boys.

A small shred ? But of course.

"...ill be ...leas... on ...th"

There. Don't say I never tell you anything. 

[drbeachboy]

I'm amazed at how so hush-hush The Smile Sessions has become. Somebody, go and sneak Al Jardine in so he can spill the beans on the tracklisting.

[rab2591]

I come to this site every day in the hope that there will be some new news on the SMiLE release. Needless to say i'm disappointed nearly every day. Ugh, can't they release a small shred of information?

Sad in the last month i've seen more official news on liam gallagher than I have The Beach Boys.

A small shred ? But of course.

"...ill be ...leas... on ...th"

There. Don't say I never tell you anything. 

 

[seanmurd]

I come to this site every day in the hope that there will be some new news on the SMiLE release. Needless to say i'm disappointed nearly every day. Ugh, can't they release a small shred of information?

Sad in the last month i've seen more official news on liam gallagher than I have The Beach Boys.

A small shred ? But of course.

"...ill be ...leas... on ...th"

There. Don't say I never tell you anything. 

Awesome! Breaking News!! The Smile Sessions absolutely WON'T be released on August 2nd! Thank you!!! 

[earcandy]

Of course, I'm waiting for these!   

[seanmurd]

Of course, I'm waiting for these!   

LOVE IT!! 

[Cam Mott]

Re. Brian's 1968 quote: that is a transcript of a radio show, the "...."s may or may not represent stumbling or pauses or might represent breaks for song clips and VO. Anyone have a sample of Brian's portion of that show?

Ummm, I suppose that's possible, but why would a radio show break in the middle of a sentence to do a VO or song clip, and then resume the sentence for a few words, and then break into another VO or song clip.  Read the quote again and imagine all of those '...' replaced with a VO or song clip.  Now, I don't know for certain, but it doesn't seem to make sense.

Well I'm not sure either, a guy called "phlip" or something like that posted the transcript on the Wheeler board one time with the indications of where there were songs and vo as I remember. Maybe someone can turn that or produce the actual clip.

[Cam Mott]

The Boys did everything in their power to make SMiLE happen for Brian even with whatever "problems" they may have had with it or how mistreated they felt by Brian.

Ah, Cam and his "the Beach Boys did everything to make SMiLE happen"-ness.  So Mike's confronting of Van Dyke about the lyrics and making him feel so uncomfortable that the he left the project is doing everything they can to make SMiLE happen?  What about Anderle and Marilyn saying that the Boys were being the very opposite of helpful?  And Brian and Van Dyke have said the same thing.  I guess none of that matters.

Love and merci,  Dan Lega

No more than Anderle's and Parks' "resistance" or feelings of mistreatment; it didn't matter either and they too were trying very hard to make SMiLE happen for Brian.

[monicker]

I'm a big fan of these earcandy picture gags, they're amazing. I hope you keep doing them until the release.

[Peter Reum]

There were a couple of separate situations where Brian and the Beach Boys came into conflict. The first was his idea about movements. My sources tell me that got ixnayed in December 1966. No, I cannot divulge who they are. But when Brian speaks in that long quote that Cam cites, I think that Brian is referring to the period after Smiley Smile and before Friends when Brian did some work on Smile tunes before he withdrew after Ol' Man River into full blown mental health problems. I specifically think that some of the work on Smile that was done by Brian after Smiley Smile (which is not in sessions information, but that he told me he did, is what he is referring to when he said he wouldn't let that material be put on a Beach Boy album. Could be Friends, but I tend to think it was Wild Honey. If I remember some conversations with Steve Desper correctly (it's been years) he said that he and Brian had pulled out Smile tapes and worked on them after Smiley Smile came out. In this context, Brian's quote that Cam cites would make perfect sense.

[Boiled Egg]

There were a couple of separate situations where Brian and the Beach Boys came into conflict. The first was his idea about movements. My sources tell me that got ixnayed in December 1966. No, I cannot divulge who they are. But when Brian speaks in that long quote that Cam cites, I think that Brian is referring to the period after Smiley Smile and before Friends when Brian did some work on Smile tunes before he withdrew after Ol' Man River into full blown mental health problems. I specifically think that some of the work on Smile that was done by Brian after Smiley Smile (which is not in sessions information, but that he told me he did, is what he is referring to when he said he wouldn't let that material be put on a Beach Boy album. Could be Friends, but I tend to think it was Wild Honey. If I remember some conversations with Steve Desper correctly (it's been years) he said that he and Brian had pulled out Smile tapes and worked on them after Smiley Smile came out. In this context, Brian's quote that Cam cites would make perfect sense.

Unless I'm several light years out of the loop (entirely possible, modern people) this could put the state of play of mixes, edits etc. into a wholly different perspective.  If only some sort of official release were about to put an end to such speculation.  Sigh.

[hypehat]

Just wait until the _____ of the ___ in the year of our Lord 2___, you impatient lout 

[Chris Moise]

There were a couple of separate situations where Brian and the Beach Boys came into conflict. The first was his idea about movements. My sources tell me that got ixnayed in December 1966. No, I cannot divulge who they are.

Re movements: If it just took a vote to remove Brian's authority as producer and change the course of an album why would Brian then later be able to scrap the whole project over the objections of the Beach Boys--to the point of nearly breaking up the group for good (as Brian said in 1967/68?  Why didn't the band just vote Brian down then like they allegedly did in December '66? I think the answer is because this December 1966 meeting/vote thing never happened. There is simply no evidence this happen. I say this with respect but "no, I cannot divulge who they are" sounds awful convenient. The fact that in 45 years there hasn't been a single mention of this voting members of the band voting Brian down speaks volumes.

[Austin]

There were a couple of separate situations where Brian and the Beach Boys came into conflict. The first was his idea about movements. My sources tell me that got ixnayed in December 1966. No, I cannot divulge who they are.

Re movements: If it just took a vote to remove Brian's authority as producer and change the course of an album why would Brian then later be able to scrap the whole project over the objections of the Beach Boys--to the point of nearly breaking up the group for good (as Brian said in 1967/68?  Why didn't the band just vote Brian down then like they allegedly did in December '66? I think the answer is because this December 1966 meeting/vote thing never happened. There is simply no evidence this happen. I say this with respect but "no, I cannot divulge who they are" sounds awful convenient. The fact that in 45 years there hasn't been a single mention of this voting members of the band voting Brian down speaks volumes.

Who says it was a vote? Could've just been negative feedback and Brian caved in, not unlike how "Hang On To Your Ego" became "I Know There's An Answer."

[Chris Moise]

Who says it was a vote?

Peter Reum.

[Austin]

Who says it was a vote?

Peter Reum.

I didn't see the word "vote" in his message.

(Unless I'm, y'know, totally missing something, which is definitely possible, but for the movements to be "ixnayed" is not the same thing as a legal vote.)

[Andrew G. Doe]

Who says it was a vote?

Peter Reum.

I didn't see the word "vote" in his message.

(Unless I'm, y'know, totally missing something, which is definitely possible, but for the movements to be "ixnayed" is not the same thing as a legal vote.)

Peter said that a couple of years ago, same time he told him about the movements when they were speaking in 1981/2.

[Austin]

Heh, well, won't get a better confirmation than that. Mea culpa.

[Shady]

I have to ask 

When do you all think were going to get the release date

[dmcguire70]

I'm amazed at how so hush-hush The Smile Sessions has become. Somebody, go and sneak Al Jardine in so he can spill the beans on the tracklisting.

After all of the waiting  for the original Smile, as well as the speculating, I'll be bitterly disappointed if its similar tracks to what on the SOT bootlegs. I hope there is some different/new stuff from the vaults that nobody has heard before.
Here's hoping.

[Jason]

I'm amazed at how so hush-hush The Smile Sessions has become. Somebody, go and sneak Al Jardine in so he can spill the beans on the tracklisting.

After all of the waiting  for the original Smile, as well as the speculating, I'll be bitterly disappointed if its similar tracks to what on the SOT bootlegs. I hope there is some different/new stuff from the vaults that nobody has heard before.
Here's hoping.

Uh, I think you'd have to bet your life that about a good 65% of the stuff will come from stuff heard on the SOTs and maybe about 10-15% from other Smile-related boots.