SMiLE Sessions box set!

[Chocolate Shake Man]

I don't know what market saturation they think will occur. After all haven't people been saying the whole time that it doesn't matter what Capitol does because everyone will buy TSS no matter what? Now all of a sudden it matters? Uh...
They aren't even being released by the same label. And I'd really hate to think that Disney plopped down Brian's new album then and forced Capitol, in their infinitely misguided wisdom, to push back TSS, seeing as how they couldn't move the date up. The only place to go was back. That would be a real stinker. I'm not buying Brian's new album, especially after this development.

This is bogus guys. I'm really annoyed with this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6CVbKz8OxU

[Roger Ryan]

It has been pointed out over the past decade that Capitol-related Beach Boys releases have tended to alternate with Brian's solo outings (2003 - SOUNDS OF SUMMER; 2004 - BWPS; 2007 - WARMTH OF THE SUN; 2008 - TLOS; 2009 - SUMMER LOVE SONGS; 2010 - BWRG).

Given that track record, THE SMiLE SESSIONS should come out this year with the Disney album following up next year!

The one glaring exception is the release of GIOMH and BWPS within months of each other...and there was a very good reason for this: nobody really wanted the former, but the latter was hot, hot, hot. So a deal was made to have one Warner subsidiary release GIOMH in order for another subsidiary to be given the opportunity to release BWPS. No surprise that BWPS came out so quickly.

Perhaps the same thing is felt about TSS: it's so important, it needs to come out soon regardless of what Disney's plans are.

[pixletwin]

Did ye hear me? DID YE HEAR ME?

I hear ye, Don!

Hear Ye Hear Ye Hear Ye!

Order in the court, order in the court
The first one to speak is a monkey for a week.........

I don't mind the delay at all. In fact I think that.... oh dear.... muh tongue is feegeeeenn errrrrr..... OO HOO HOO HOO AHHH HAAA HAAAA HAAAAAAA!

[Mike's Beard]

You have to laugh at the thought that Smile may be taking a backseat for the Disney album.

[redlicktrout]

Last night I listened to Mok's version of SMiLE.I was surprised at the better than OK sound quality of his "homemade" SMiLE.Given todays recording technology,I wonder how good BW's 1967 SMiLE songs can be made to sound.Isn't remastering vintage recordings , dubious and time consuming?Do you think the finished product will offer us sound comparable to the clarity in todays recordings,if not,how good can BW's SMiLE sound,after remastering and technological manipulation of the original tapes?

[drbeachboy]

You have to laugh at the thought that Smile may be taking a backseat for the Disney album.

It better be better than Smile, that's all I can say.

[seanmurd]

You have to laugh at the thought that Smile may be taking a backseat for the Disney album.

We don't know this to be true at all; it's pure speculation. But let's just assume it IS true, and TSS is being delayed by a month to (a) give them time to make it perfect and (b) help Brian (who has the final OK on TSS, after all) sell a few more copies of his Disney CD. In the grand scheme of things, does it really matter? Will the cosmos shift in disgust if TSS is held back by a few weeks so Brian's little Mickey Mouse CD can break 50,000 units? Decades from now, when TSS has long been a reality and has cemented its reputation as one of the last great music releases of the CD era, will anyone know or care that it was moved from July to August to October to November?

[Roger Ryan]

Last night I listened to Mok's version of SMiLE.I was surprised at the better than OK sound quality of his "homemade" SMiLE.Given todays recording technology,I wonder how good BW's 1967 SMiLE songs can be made to sound.Isn't remastering vintage recordings , dubious and time consuming?Do you think the finished product will offer us sound comparable to the clarity in todays recordings,if not,how good can BW's SMiLE sound,after remastering and technological manipulation of the original tapes?

It won't sound like today's recordings (Thank God!), but there's no reason the material won't sound as good as, say, THE PET SOUNDS SESSIONS. Obviously, if some of it is being sourced from acetates or reference dubs, the quality will dip to a certain extent, but it's going to sound better than what a fan is going to be able to achieve using boots.

As far as remastering/mixing vintage recordings goes, that's what Mark is being paid for. They aren't just going to say "why bother?" and issue something that could have sounded better if more time was taken.

[Dunderhead]

You have to laugh at the thought that Smile may be taking a backseat for the Disney album.

We don't know this to be true at all; it's pure speculation. But let's just assume it IS true, and TSS is being delayed by a month to (a) give them time to make it perfect and (b) help Brian (who has the final OK on TSS, after all) sell a few more copies of his Disney CD. In the grand scheme of things, does it really matter? Will the cosmos shift in disgust if TSS is held back by a few weeks so Brian's little Mickey Mouse CD can break 50,000 units? Decades from now, when TSS has long been a reality and has cemented its reputation as one of the last great music releases of the CD era, will anyone know or care that it was moved from July to August to October to November?

As much as the smile-boxset dreamers like to use this logic, it really goes both ways. In the "grand scheme of things" does it matter if Brian doesn't sell a few more copies of his disney album? Will the cosmos shift in disgust? And I'll tell you what, keep TSS on schedule and I'll buy your Disney album Brian, if you're worried about some type of overlap I can tell you you're actually losing a sale not gaining one.

[Chocolate Shake Man]

As much as the smile-boxset dreamers like to use this logic, it really goes both ways. In the "grand scheme of things" does it matter if Brian doesn't sell a few more copies of his disney album? Will the cosmos shift in disgust? And I'll tell you what, keep TSS on schedule and I'll buy your Disney album Brian, if you're worried about some type of overlap I can tell you you're actually losing a sale not gaining one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6CVbKz8OxU

[seanmurd]

You have to laugh at the thought that Smile may be taking a backseat for the Disney album.

We don't know this to be true at all; it's pure speculation. But let's just assume it IS true, and TSS is being delayed by a month to (a) give them time to make it perfect and (b) help Brian (who has the final OK on TSS, after all) sell a few more copies of his Disney CD. In the grand scheme of things, does it really matter? Will the cosmos shift in disgust if TSS is held back by a few weeks so Brian's little Mickey Mouse CD can break 50,000 units? Decades from now, when TSS has long been a reality and has cemented its reputation as one of the last great music releases of the CD era, will anyone know or care that it was moved from July to August to October to November?

As much as the smile-boxset dreamers like to use this logic, it really goes both ways. In the "grand scheme of things" does it matter if Brian doesn't sell a few more copies of his disney album? Will the cosmos shift in disgust? And I'll tell you what, keep TSS on schedule and I'll buy your Disney album Brian, if you're worried about some type of overlap I can tell you you're actually losing a sale not gaining one.

Well, SMiLE will always be remembered, no matter what happens in the next few months, but Brian's Disney album has a better chance of being remembered at all if it sells more copies -- so it doesn't REALLY go both ways. I get it, Sarge -- you're full of righteous anger, and I'm a "dreamer" -- but none of it will change what's going to happen. And no, I have no idea what that is either.

[drbeachboy]

As much as the smile-boxset dreamers like to use this logic, it really goes both ways. In the "grand scheme of things" does it matter if Brian doesn't sell a few more copies of his disney album? Will the cosmos shift in disgust? And I'll tell you what, keep TSS on schedule and I'll buy your Disney album Brian, if you're worried about some type of overlap I can tell you you're actually losing a sale not gaining one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6CVbKz8OxU

[Dunderhead]

You guys can buy it if you want, but this is a criticism of the marketing and promotion of this project and ultimately if Phil Cohen or I or anybody else decide not to buy these things, then the criticisms are justified. That's been my point all along, they aren't doing themselves any favors with their current approach and if they lose any sales, even just one, then it stands to reason they would have been better suited by a different approach.

[hypehat]

You have to laugh at the thought that Smile may be taking a backseat for the Disney album.

That idea can F*ck off as far as the eye can see.

first of November. BASTARD. I WANT THIS BOXSET. I don't care how petulant I sound. I am a rabid fan and I DEMAND SMILE

[?]

The SMiLE box is now scheduled for 11/1

Beware the Ides of Cohen!! We're all doomed I tell you - Doomed!!! 

[Chocolate Shake Man]

You guys can buy it if you want, but this is a criticism of the marketing and promotion of this project and ultimately if Phil Cohen or I or anybody else decide not to buy these things, then the criticisms are justified.

From the video:

Entitlement is when someone feels as if someone owes him things or special treatment simply because he exists. People with this character trait feel entitled to privileges, special treatment, things other people have, respect, love, or whatever else they want. And when they don't get what they want, they feel that the one who is not giving it to them is wrong. Children first feel entitled to be in control, then they feel they're entitled not to suffer, not to worry, and not to adapt to rules and boundaries.

[tansen]

Imagine Brian/BB doing a Disney album in like 1965, how awesome would that be? I can imagine Brian singing 'When you wish upon a star' so beautifully back then, but now?
Ugh. I will buy the Disney album, but ugh.

[bgas]

As much as the smile-boxset dreamers like to use this logic, it really goes both ways. In the "grand scheme of things" does it matter if Brian doesn't sell a few more copies of his disney album? Will the cosmos shift in disgust? And I'll tell you what, keep TSS on schedule and I'll buy your Disney album Brian, if you're worried about some type of overlap I can tell you you're actually losing a sale not gaining one.

Yeah, I'd have to say I agree with this. Who really cares if Brian's Disney Album sells at all?
Bring on the SMile Sessions NOW, and I'll buy the Disney as a special purchase. Wait and you lose the Disney sale.
  Let's start a DIsney boycott

[Dunderhead]

You guys can buy it if you want, but this is a criticism of the marketing and promotion of this project and ultimately if Phil Cohen or I or anybody else decide not to buy these things, then the criticisms are justified.

From the video:

Entitlement is when someone feels as if someone owes him things or special treatment simply because he exists. People with this character trait feel entitled to privileges, special treatment, things other people have, respect, love, or whatever else they want. And when they don't get what they want, they feel that the one who is not giving it to them is wrong. Children first feel entitled to be in control, then they feel they're entitled not to suffer, not to worry, and not to adapt to rules and boundaries.

As much as you want this to be true, and as much as you like your little video, that's not how the relationship between businesses and customers work, sorry. They DO owe use whatever we want to be owed, and if they don't give us what we want, then we don't have to buy it. We're doing them a favor, not the other way around. We're buying their product, we're the consumer, and if they don't make us happy, then they don't get our money. Sorry! Again, your logic here goes both ways. Why is Capitol entitled? Why is it that we just have to put up with whatever they do and shut our mouths? Maybe you should send your video to them, I think they could learn a little something.

[redlicktrout]

I have great respect for BW's talent,but I didnot care for the Gershwin album.To me,it was kind of like kissing your sister,there wasn't much of a charge in it.I do not know how the Gershwin cd sold.I cannot imagine the upcoming Disney CD being very good.I think I read somewhere BW had to make 2 CD's to complete the Disney contract.BW's solo efforts have had some great musical moments,because of his originality and sense of melody.I hope he completes the Disney album,lives up to his end of the Disney contract,and gets back to writing his own songs.

[Dunderhead]

I have great respect for BW's talent,but I didnot care for the Gershwin album.To me,it was kind of like kissing your sister,there wasn't much of a charge in it.I do not know how the Gershwin cd sold.I cannot imagine the upcoming Disney CD being very good.I think I read somewhere BW had to make 2 CD's to complete the Disney contract.BW's solo efforts have had some great musical moments,because of his originality and sense of melody.I hope he completes the Disney album,lives up to his end of the Disney contract,and gets back to writing his own songs.

Agreed. It was nice enough, and made some people here happy. But it's far from my favorite release, and doesn't matter much in the "grand scheme of things". I listened to it like once, maybe it's time to bust it out again.

[hypehat]

Man, I know the reasons. Mark and Alan and the art stooges and the mastering stooges and the marketing stooges all have their jobs to do. All in order. All with their little internal deadlines. BUT GODDAMNIT, SOMETIMES I JUST REALLY WANT THIS BLOODY BOX.

I have great respect for BW's talent,but I didnot care for the Gershwin album.To me,it was kind of like kissing your sister,there wasn't much of a charge in it.

Speak from experience?

[Chocolate Shake Man]

You guys can buy it if you want, but this is a criticism of the marketing and promotion of this project and ultimately if Phil Cohen or I or anybody else decide not to buy these things, then the criticisms are justified.

From the video:

Entitlement is when someone feels as if someone owes him things or special treatment simply because he exists. People with this character trait feel entitled to privileges, special treatment, things other people have, respect, love, or whatever else they want. And when they don't get what they want, they feel that the one who is not giving it to them is wrong. Children first feel entitled to be in control, then they feel they're entitled not to suffer, not to worry, and not to adapt to rules and boundaries.

As much as you want this to be true, and as much as you like your little video, that's not how the relationship between businesses and customers work, sorry. They DO owe use whatever we want to be owed, and if they don't give us what we want, then we don't have to buy it. We're doing them a favor, not the other way around. We're buying their product, we're the consumer, and if they don't make us happy, then they don't get our money. Sorry!

You do realize that everyone who throws a childish hissy fit because they feel they are entitled to something they are not getting ALWAYS believes they are justified. A child who stops talking to his parents because they won't let him play on the computer has his own reason that he feel justifies their behaviour. Of course, you think you are right to be behaving this way - that's what the culture of entitlement is all about! Unfortunately, the business dynamic that you bring up to justify your ongoing tantrums is precisely what has caused this sort of culture in which you are clearly linked to, by concocting desires that can be instantly satisfied.

[redlicktrout]

Not really,I don't have any sisters,although I had a girlfirend I called Sis,now that I think about it,there wasn't much of a charge in kissing her....or her sister either...that's another story...

[ghost]

If I had a sister I'd love to kiss her. All night long even when our momma's not around.