BWPS: which of the new lyrics were actually old lyrics?

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

Wha...? So, DYLW is a *different* song none of us heard? Holy sh*t...now I'm curious to hear what the real one sounded like!

[MBE]

I'm guessing that there was a more finished take of Worms that Al was refering to. That's a big puzzle.

[Sheriff John Stone]

And, I'm assuming that's all Al said, just that one line? Of course, why elaborate? I know something you don't know....

[A Million Units In Jan!]

Of course, Al may be wrong, also. He may have thought Worms was something else entirely....

[Rocker]

Wha...? So, DYLW is a *different* song none of us heard?

No, he might've connected that title with another song, but that doesn't meant we haven't heard it. Maybe "Look" was DYLW (just for an example)

[Wilsonista]

I always thought that Al's beef with "they used the wrong one" was they used the wrong title. There's a story of a hilarious fax machine argument between Al and David Leaf over whether it was called "Do You Like" or "Do You Dig" Worms.  Maybe this is what Al is referring to?

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

Ahhh...that makes MUCH more sense.

[TdHabib]

Ahh the Jardine trademark, obsessing over very minor details...probably why Postcard hasn't been sent yet...and why "Loop de Loop" took 28 years. I can believe the title thing in a second.

[Dancing Bear]

When Alan claimed they "used the wrong one" when "Do You Like Worm?" came out on the GV box set, did he mean they used the wrong tape in his mind; meaning that, to Al, DYLW needed verses and the "Bicycle Rider" chorus to be the "right one"?

I think he meant that the track in the boxset didn't sound like his memory of DYLW from '66. At least, that's the more logical explanation, but it's Al Jardine...

[LostArt]

When Alan claimed they "used the wrong one" when "Do You Like Worm?" came out on the GV box set, did he mean they used the wrong tape in his mind; meaning that, to Al, DYLW needed verses and the "Bicycle Rider" chorus to be the "right one"?

Might be me, and please correct me if I'm wrong... but I thought Alan's comment was something like "That's not "Do You Like Worms"".

That's how I remember it. 

[Mahalo]

Why was the title changed to Roll Plymouth Rock on BWPS ?

[Rocker]

Why was the title changed to Roll Plymouth Rock on BWPS ?

DYLW probably was always nothing more than a working title, so if Smile was released in '67 it would've had a different name too. I guess there's nothing more to it....

[LostArt]

Why was the title changed to Roll Plymouth Rock on BWPS ?

DYLW probably was always nothing more than a working title, so if Smile was released in '67 it would've had a different name too. I guess there's nothing more to it....

I don't know about that.  What about the Frank Holmes drawing for the Smile booklet showing the Sandwich Isles and the big can of worms? 

[Andrew G. Doe]

Of course, Al may be wrong, also. He may have thought Worms was something else entirely....

Indeed - we have to bear in mind here that, until quite recently Alan thought that "Honkin' Down The Highway" (a song he sang lead vocal on) hadn't been released. 

[juggler]

Why was the title changed to Roll Plymouth Rock on BWPS ?

DYLW probably was always nothing more than a working title, so if Smile was released in '67 it would've had a different name too. I guess there's nothing more to it....

I don't know about that.  What about the Frank Holmes drawing for the Smile booklet showing the Sandwich Isles and the big can of worms? 

Yes!   DYLW/DYdigW was, at least in 1966/67, the official name of the song, and no amount of revisionism is going to change that.

Why was it changed?  Who knows?  Probably because Brian Wilson no longer liked the title.  As much as many folks like us love the original title, let's face it.  It's a weird, wacky title that was a product of 24-year-old Brian's sense of humor.  Sixty-something Brian may well have been embarrassed by it.

[Dancing Bear]

Why was the title changed to Roll Plymouth Rock on BWPS ?

DYLW probably was always nothing more than a working title, so if Smile was released in '67 it would've had a different name too. I guess there's nothing more to it....

I don't know about that.  What about the Frank Holmes drawing for the Smile booklet showing the Sandwich Isles and the big can of worms? 

Yes!   DYLW/DYdigW was, at least in 1966/67, the official name of the song, and no amount of revisionism is going to change that.

Why was it changed?  Who knows?  Probably because Brian Wilson no longer liked the title.  As much as many folks like us love the original title, let's face it.  It's a weird, wacky title that was a product of 24-year-old Brian's sense of humor.  Sixty-something Brian may well have been embarrassed by it.

Didn't Bruce refer to the track in 79/80 as 'Plymouth Rock'?

[runnersdialzero]

Why was the title changed to Roll Plymouth Rock on BWPS ?

DYLW probably was always nothing more than a working title, so if Smile was released in '67 it would've had a different name too. I guess there's nothing more to it....

I don't know about that.  What about the Frank Holmes drawing for the Smile booklet showing the Sandwich Isles and the big can of worms? 

Yes!   DYLW/DYdigW was, at least in 1966/67, the official name of the song, and no amount of revisionism is going to change that.

Why was it changed?  Who knows?  Probably because Brian Wilson no longer liked the title.  As much as many folks like us love the original title, let's face it.  It's a weird, wacky title that was a product of 24-year-old Brian's sense of humor.  Sixty-something Brian may well have been embarrassed by it.

Didn't Bruce refer to the track in 79/80 as 'Plymouth Rock'?

I thought I remembered seeing that somewhere on here, too. Hmm...

[Dove Nested Towers]

Why was the title changed to Roll Plymouth Rock on BWPS ?

DYLW probably was always nothing more than a working title, so if Smile was released in '67 it would've had a different name too. I guess there's nothing more to it....

I don't know about that.  What about the Frank Holmes drawing for the Smile booklet showing the Sandwich Isles and the big can of worms? 

Yes!   DYLW/DYdigW was, at least in 1966/67, the official name of the song, and no amount of revisionism is going to change that.

Why was it changed?  Who knows?  Probably because Brian Wilson no longer liked the title.  As much as many folks like us love the original title, let's face it.  It's a weird, wacky title that was a product of 24-year-old Brian's sense of humor.  Sixty-something Brian may well have been embarrassed by it.

Didn't Bruce refer to the track in 79/80 as 'Plymouth Rock'?

I thought I remembered seeing that somewhere on here, too. Hmm...

Interesting. Perhaps Holmes was just using the working title to inspire his booklet illustration because that was all he had to go on at the time, and through the years the more logical "Plymouth Rock" title that Bruce mentioned in '79/80 replaced it within the band (not that I don't love the original title). The fax debate between Jardine and Leaf about whether it was
"like" or "dig" also sounds plausible.

Whether it was a new grafting (likely) or original concept, the addition of the Roll Plymouth Rock lyric onto "On A Holiday" on BWPS is a nice, symmetrical fit with the melody. I wonder exactly whose bright idea that was if it was first conceived in 2004.