Til I Die - why was it extended?

[MBE]

Remember Brian flew out to rehearse them the first time Good Vibrations was to be performed. He must of taught Carl the part then.

[Emdeeh]

Carl had sung at least 4 leads ("Summer Time Blues" with Dave, "Louie Louie" with Mike, "Pom Pom Playgirl," and "All Dressed Up for School") by the time he got to GOK.

[Chris Brown]

Remember Brian flew out to rehearse them the first time Good Vibrations was to be performed. He must of taught Carl the part then.

It wasn't a matter of teaching him the part...if that's all it was, it would have made more sense to teach him during the sessions and not force Brian to edit himself in. 

[Bicyclerider]

Carl had sung at least 4 leads ("Summer Time Blues" with Dave, "Louie Louie" with Mike, "Pom Pom Playgirl," and "All Dressed Up for School") by the time he got to GOK.

Aren't you forgetting one?   (Girl Don't . . . )

[MBE]

Remember Brian flew out to rehearse them the first time Good Vibrations was to be performed. He must of taught Carl the part then.

It wasn't a matter of teaching him the part...if that's all it was, it would have made more sense to teach him during the sessions and not force Brian to edit himself in. 

Sure it makes sense. In the studio Brian probably just figured it was easier to do it himself. Carl had to do it on stage so  Brian likely ran through it with him during the rehearsal until he nailed it.

[John]

Carl had sung at least 4 leads ("Summer Time Blues" with Dave, "Louie Louie" with Mike, "Pom Pom Playgirl," and "All Dressed Up for School") by the time he got to GOK.

Also "I Should Have Known Better / Tell Me Why" with Al, and part of "The Little Girl I Once Knew".

We did do a definitive vocal credits thread so people would stop thinking Carl's first lead is Girl Don't Tell Me.

[Aegir]

I always thought it was Bruce singing the part in 1966.

[KokoMoses]

Carl had sung at least 4 leads ("Summer Time Blues" with Dave, "Louie Louie" with Mike, "Pom Pom Playgirl," and "All Dressed Up for School") by the time he got to GOK.

Also "I Should Have Known Better / Tell Me Why" with Al, and part of "The Little Girl I Once Knew".

We did do a definitive vocal credits thread so people would stop thinking Carl's first lead is Girl Don't Tell Me.

I stand humbly corrected 

[Fall Breaks]

True, though it is quite challenging to sing.  But you're right in that with God Only Knows, Carl didn't have to hit a note nearly as high as the B flat in Good Vibrations. 

It still doesn't make sense that he suddenly figured out how to hit it by October.

Not to mention the even higher G at the na na na section. But that Brian would've needed to teach Carl how to sing it? Either he could reach the note or he couldn't, I'd say.

[Chris Brown]

Either he could reach the note or he couldn't, I'd say.

That's my point...people can improve their range over time, certainly, but that fast?  Just doesn't add up to me.

[Emdeeh]

Aren't you forgetting one?   (Girl Don't . . . )

Not forgetting, more like making a typo. I meant to type GDTM instead of GOK, which makes more sense.

[MBE]

Either he could reach the note or he couldn't, I'd say.

That's my point...people can improve their range over time, certainly, but that fast?  Just doesn't add up to me.

Brian could hit the note with no problem. Carl strained at it (note I didn't say couldn't do it at all) thus Brian sang it on the record. Since this was a part Carl didn't feel good about, before it's live debut Brian probably worked on it with him until he felt more assured. With this practice Carl managed to do the part competently, not necessarily changing his range overnight. I don't offer this as more then a theory. Here's another... maybe Brian just liked the textural differences between himself and Carl and thought it was a cool way to arrange it.

[shelter]

I think this is a good example of just how selfless Brian could be. He wrote one of the most brilliant songs ever and worked on the arrangement for months until he got it exactly right. And instead of stepping into the spotlight to take full credit for it, he gave the lead to Carl, who couldn't even handle the entire song yet, and shared his writing credit with Mike, although the effort that he'd put into the song wasn't even 1% of what he had put into it himself...

[Fall Breaks]

Either he could reach the note or he couldn't, I'd say.

That's my point...people can improve their range over time, certainly, but that fast?  Just doesn't add up to me.

Brian could hit the note with no problem. Carl strained at it (note I didn't say couldn't do it at all) thus Brian sang it on the record. Since this was a part Carl didn't feel good about, before it's live debut Brian probably worked on it with him until he felt more assured. With this practice Carl managed to do the part competently, not necessarily changing his range overnight. I don't offer this as more then a theory. Here's another... maybe Brian just liked the textural differences between himself and Carl and thought it was a cool way to arrange it.

Sounds reasonable. Both of your theories. To expand on the second (and make it slightly farfetched): I read in another thread here that Carl's and Brian's parts were recorded in different studios (Brian's being Gold Star iirc). Maybe Brian wanted different studio sounds on the different lines, but Carl wasn't there for the Gold Star session? Okay, I feel the farfetchedness as I'm typing...

[c-man]

I doubt they were done in different studios, since they were recording the final vocals on 8-track, and Columbia was the only studio with an 8-track at that time.

[Fall Breaks]

I doubt they were done in different studios, since they were recording the final vocals on 8-track, and Columbia was the only studio with an 8-track at that time.

In that case, I doubt it too.

[MBE]

Either he could reach the note or he couldn't, I'd say.

That's my point...people can improve their range over time, certainly, but that fast?  Just doesn't add up to me.

Brian could hit the note with no problem. Carl strained at it (note I didn't say couldn't do it at all) thus Brian sang it on the record. Since this was a part Carl didn't feel good about, before it's live debut Brian probably worked on it with him until he felt more assured. With this practice Carl managed to do the part competently, not necessarily changing his range overnight. I don't offer this as more then a theory. Here's another... maybe Brian just liked the textural differences between himself and Carl and thought it was a cool way to arrange it.

Sounds reasonable. Both of your theories. To expand on the second (and make it slightly farfetched): I read in another thread here that Carl's and Brian's parts were recorded in different studios (Brian's being Gold Star iirc). Maybe Brian wanted different studio sounds on the different lines, but Carl wasn't there for the Gold Star session? Okay, I feel the farfetchedness as I'm typing...

Thanks. I always like trying to figure out who did what part and how they were decided etc.

[etrueholly]

Gotta say... I think the extended version is the best, regardless if it was the original intent (same with California Girls, the ending of which is 'extended' depending on which mix you listen to on which compilation CD/album).

With such a great outro, I just don't want it to ever end...