Did Mike ever try to get the legal right to record under the BB name (post '98)?

[Andrew G. Doe]

Thanks for looking into that Klasse: I may be many things but I'm not dumb enough to make the contents of a PM public. And yes, you're right, it's unseemly and I'm done with Gregg after making this last observation: the only reason he responded to my mention of his uncle was, pretty obviously, to try and get me banned, to which end he lied by alleging I could only know about that via a PM he sent me (I can't recall one but given my memory, it's entirely possible). I'm guessing he currently has a pretty big problem, huh ?

There. Done and dusted. Shooting fish in a barrel gets tedious after a while, even for me. Onwards and upwards... to infinity and beyond... your mileage may vary... honi soit qui mal y pense... something like that.  

[SurfRiderHawaii]

Once more, for Gregg's especial benefit seeing as he's currently hard of comprehending: Mike's license to tour as "The Beach Boys" is exclusive and has been for a good few years. Just because you've not seen any documentation saying so doesn't mean it isn't so. The C50 tour was an exceptional circumstance for which the "Love License" was temporarily suspended for a set and agreed term.

The problem continually is Doe, as evidenced above, is the first one to initiate the personal,  sarcastic, insulting posts. To respond, he goes nasty indignant. To dredge up my Uncle' s misfortune,  whether from a post or PM, is stooping to a juvenile level. What has it to do with Mike's license?  (Which, by the way, is stated in each and every Court ruling up thru 2006 as non-exclusive)

His assumptions and worries about being banned are his issues of his own making, not mine. On a  more serious issue, I will PM you.

Yes, you have told us to avoid each other, but as usual, Doe dove in first by arguing with me. I have as much right to post as he does. If he chooses to start a debate on  my posts, that his issue. One you should be taking up with him. I will defend my rught to express my opinion. The problem frequently here is, certain people cannot debate without being argumentative.

I would be agreeable that the next time one posts an argument against the other, it is a strike/suspension. Courrse, I have never been suspended so this worries me not.

And why you are at it Klasse, the same warning should go out to Nicko. He was suspended for posting a PM from me and obviously holds a grudge (based on his tedious,  argumentative posts). End of rant. Peace- Gregg/ORR

[Nicko1234]

The problem continually is Doe, as evidenced above, is the first one to initiate the personal,  sarcastic, insulting posts. To respond, he goes nasty indignant. To dredge up my Uncle' s misfortune,  whether from a post or PM, is stooping to a juvenile level. What has it to do with Mike's license?  (Which, by the way, is stated in each and every Court ruling up thru 2006 as non-exclusive)

His assumptions and worries about being banned are his issues of his own making, not mine. On a  more serious issue, I will PM you.

Yes, you have told us to avoid each other, but as usual, Doe dove in first by arguing with me. I have as much right to post as he does. If he chooses to start a debate on  my posts, that his issue. One you should be taking up with him. I will defend my rught to express my opinion. The problem frequently here is, certain people cannot debate without being argumentative.

I would be agreeable that the next time one posts an argument against the other, it is a strike/suspension. Courrse, I have never been suspended so this worries me not.

And why you are at it Klasse, the same warning should go out to Nicko. He was suspended for posting a PM from me and obviously holds a grudge (based on his tedious,  argumentative posts). End of rant. Peace- Gregg/ORR

I don`t hold any grudge at all. I mistakenly posted a PM yonks ago as I foolishly didn`t know there was a rule against it and so I was rightly banned for a week. It ended there.

The only question I have asked in this thread is for you to post links to any recent information as to the terms of the licence. Entirely on topic and something you have chosen not to do for whatever reason.

And the reason why I stated that AGD had not posted a PM as you accused him of? Well firstly because he contributes a lot of good, factual information on this board so it would be a shame for him to be banned, but more importantly perhaps, because what you were saying wasn`t true. I thought I vaguely recalled reading it on the board in the past and it took about 10 seconds using the search function to locate the same thread that SMiLE Holland linked to below.

Now in that same thread you implied repeatedly that you wanted AGD banned and I`m sure you knew what you were doing when you alleged that he had quoted one of your PMs here. I don`t think you can really complain that I set the facts straight.

I`m sure the mods have enough to do without dealing with this stuff so why not get this thread back on topic now.

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

In complete agreement Nicko, especially on the last paragraph.

Back to our regularly scheduled programming, already in progress.

No more posts on this issue,back on topic.

[Pretty Funky]

Re the Cetera, Brian and Al line-up. Should it have kicked off I personally don't see it as being much different to the Beck tour last year as far as numbers attending. The Beach Boys moniker is the money maker IMO.

Thoughts?

[Nicko1234]

Re the Cetera, Brian and Al line-up. Should it have kicked off I personally don't see it as being much different to the Beck tour last year as far as numbers attending. The Beach Boys moniker is the money maker IMO.

Thoughts?

Al`s comments about this from the Goldmine interview (printed in July 2000 but conducted in May 1999?) are quite interesting:

"Goldmine: You're no longer a member of the Mike Love touring lineup of the Beach Boys. Tell us about why you made the jump to The Beach Boys, Family And Friends project.

Alan Jardine: We obviously had a difference of opinion. First of all, Carl died. He was the voice and the glue that held it all together as far as I was concerned 'cause Brian handed off a lot of parts to Carl. Brian, being the introvert that he is, decided early on that he wasn't going to be going on the road... So he began to design parts for all of us. Carl seemed to get the rich parts. Carl and I were always locked in harmonies, the lower two-thirds. Carl would be on the bottom, I'd be in the middle and Brian would be on top. Mike, of course, was the baritone. On the road, Brian would systematically deal out lead singing parts to the various guys, and Carl would get some of the richer parts, some of the great ones like "God Only Knows," "Good Vibrations." Brian would sing those to us on the piano, and we'd hear them singing it and go, "Wow, that's gonna be a great lead for you Brian," and he'd say, "This one's for Carl," or "This one's for Al," because he'd given so many to Mike that it was getting unbalanced, really unbalanced. The Summer Days, Summer Nights album was Carl's first lead, "Girl Don't Tell Me." That song we did on stage today as a tribute to Carl. That was a seminal moment for him. My first lead was actually on the Christmas Album, a song called "Christmas Day," which I still love till this day. My second lead was I think "Then I Kissed Her." Anyhow, we got off the track. Carl's voice [being gone] left a gigantic hole in the harmonies. So by that time Michael engineered a concept of a lighter and freer Beach Boys band, one that could move in a moments notice. He would call it "Beach Boys Light". That was his name for a kind of evolving Beach Boys band that did not include Carl or myself. I found that kind of disgusting. I didn't like that.

So what prompted your decision to stop touring with Love's version of the Beach Boys?

We had a symphony tour lined up for the United States. Lots of interested symphonies that could give our music a breadth and depth that we didn't have before and give them a little extra business they needed. A lot of symphonies were going bankrupt. For instance the San Diego Symphony was in a desperate state, and we were going to do our rehearsal concert there in San Diego. They would get one and we would get one. That kind of deal where they get one for their coffers and we'd get a chance to rehearse and get it underway. And then go to the Hollywood Bowl, get that wonderful place sold out and take it from there all over the country. Carry our charts with us and give them to all the different symphonies.

What happened?

Love steadfastly refused to do it. He insisted that Brian be there, I remember that remark which is not all wrong. I don't disagree with that. It would be great if Brian could be everywhere, but we all have to be realistic. He's not going to be predictable that way. He's got only so much energy for that kind of work. He's not built for it.

Brian never liked to tour.

I think Brian was designing our songs back in the day so we wouldn't have to be dependent on him. Anyway, I suggested that he conduct the concert at the Hollywood Bowl. I thought it would be neat if he could come out and take some credit for all that great work. Anyway, that wasn't to be. Mike refused to do it. I think it would've been a great tribute to Carl. It would have been built around the music, not the messenger. It wouldn't have been built around any one of us.

After Carl passed away, you were still in the band and then decided to leave the Love touring lineup sometime after that.

Right. It became one of those moments. Love continued to tour. He didn't stop touring. He just didn't want to tour in that modality. That wasn't his idea of "fun, fun, fun." [laughs] So he continued to work with his band, The California Beach Band, and he would go out and do dates and have surrogate singers do Carl's parts. I thought that was tasteless. While at the same time not going out with the Beach Boys because of Carl's passing so there's some kind of contradiction in that, in my opinion. In fact, my son Matthew at the time was still in that employ, which I did not disagree with because I don't want him to not be able to earn a living. But at some point it got uncomfortable.

So at what point did you pack it in with that lineup?

When Mike refused to tour with the Beach Boys. He just refused to tour with us in any fashion. I can't go into detail with you right now, [but] it got reorganized where Love took the band with an exclusive license and I didn't. And Bruce decided to go with the guy who sang all the hits. Matthew had to make some decisions of his own. We decided to form this entity - Beach Boys, Family And Friends, which I felt would more accurately define the harmonies and the vitality of what was missing in the waning years of the band."

Mike indicating that Al wanted Brian going out on tour and Al indicating the opposite. Big surprise. 

If what Mike said is true then it would be interesting to know what Al intended to call that band with Brian and Cetera. I presume that Mike is suggesting that they would have used The Beach Boys name in some way or other. Whether there is any truth in it though...

[Andrew G. Doe]

There's a temporal problem here: even allowing the interview was conducted in May 1999 (entirely possible), Mike had signed off on the BRI license (the so-called Love License) to tour as the BB on July 3rd 1998. Also, Alan refers to an exclusive license which, as we now know, wasn't the case in 1998 or 1999: the licenses offered by BRI in 1998 were non-exclusive and of a limited duration in that they expired midnight 12/31/99.

Eh... business as usual in the BB Cosmos.