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« on: January 11, 2014, 07:16:39 AM »

Since the publication of my book (with Jon Stebbins) The Beach Boys In Concert, I have continued to look for missing shows.  Recently I found the appearance at Dykstra Hall on the UCLA campus where Brian probably met Bob Norberg (listed in the book in the Other 1962 Concerts Played section-without an exact date) was July 3 1962.  I also found an app by the BBs on Fraternity Row at USC  on Sept 27 1962.  Well-I managed to find the show mentioned in David Leaf's book that took place at a Harris Department Store Deb Fashion show-it was the Campus Deb Jamboree and it was held May 12 1962 at the California Theater in San Bernardino.  The BBs are not listed but the article (In The San Bernardino County Sun) makes clear this was Harris' annual fashion show and concert event and the date fits. (there were concerts held every May for the next four years-the one in 63 featured Jan and Dean and the Torquays-but no more with the BBs).  Looking at the date is interesting.  In May 62 the BBs local hit "Surfin" was probably off the radar and they'd only just signed a deal with Capitol to put out a single and it wasn't out yet.  So they really were still completely unknown-even in San Bernardino probably. 
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« Reply #1 on: January 11, 2014, 09:45:00 AM »

Since the publication of my book (with Jon Stebbins) The Beach Boys In Concert, I have continued to look for missing shows.  Recently I found the appearance at Dykstra Hall on the UCLA campus where Brian probably met Bob Norberg (listed in the book in the Other 1962 Concerts Played section-without an exact date) was July 3 1962.  I also found an app by the BBs on Fraternity Row at USC  on Sept 27 1962.  Well-I managed to find the show mentioned in David Leaf's book that took place at a Harris Department Store Deb Fashion show-it was the Campus Deb Jamboree and it was held May 12 1962 at the California Theater in San Bernardino.  The BBs are not listed but the article (In The San Bernardino County Sun) makes clear this was Harris' annual fashion show and concert event and the date fits. (there were concerts held every May for the next four years-the one in 63 featured Jan and Dean and the Torquays-but no more with the BBs).  Looking at the date is interesting.  In May 62 the BBs local hit "Surfin" was probably off the radar and they'd only just signed a deal with Capitol to put out a single and it wasn't out yet.  So they really were still completely unknown-even in San Bernardino probably. 

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« Reply #2 on: January 11, 2014, 09:49:19 AM »

Now tell them about the 2/10/62 Long Beach gig.  Grin
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« Reply #3 on: January 11, 2014, 10:07:35 AM »

I know that the term "regional" was different in 1962 regarding radio and local bands and clubs, but at the time of this May 1962 show would the Beach Boys have been completely unknown in an area like San Bernardino, or would they be at least known enough to warrant these kinds of shows?

I'm just curious, and if I'm forgetting something in the book(s) my apologies, when it was that the band's name began to spread across SoCal at least up to the point when they got placed in the One Man's Challenge film in July '62. I'm thinking in terms of spring and summer 1962, any band which not only had a record pressed but also had it played on regional radio stations would have been at least known by name, as having a record was a pretty major thing for a teenage band. Like hitting "the big time" to be able to show that you had made a record, at least in those days. Just wondering how it ties into this period of time.

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« Reply #4 on: January 11, 2014, 10:10:18 AM »

Now tell them about the 2/10/62 Long Beach gig.  Grin

Yes, please. This sounds like a show worth talking about also!  A newspaer ad?
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« Reply #5 on: January 11, 2014, 10:26:46 AM »

I'm just curious, and if I'm forgetting something in the book(s) my apologies, when it was that the band's name began to spread across SoCal at least up to the point when they got placed in the One Man's Challenge film in July '62.

According to David, the reason they're in the movie is very simple: they just happened to be playing there the night the cameras turned up. Can you say, serendipitous ? And if so, can you spell it ?  Grin
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« Reply #6 on: January 11, 2014, 12:55:38 PM »

The Long Beach show from Feb 10 1962 is a possibility.  Ray Hunt of the Surfmen recalled years later that they played a show with the BBs and James Darren "in late 1961" at Long Beach Municipal Auditorium.  Now my first impulse was to say that must be the Dec 31 1961 show-which I have tried to find ads for forever!! I scoured the Long Beach papers but there were no ads and I have never seen a flyer, poster, etc.  Allegedly Ike and Tina headlined that show-that is all we know….But the Feb 10 1962 show is advertised in the papers-with James Darren and the Surfmen.  So…I don't doubt that the Dec 31 61 show happened but I do wonder if the Surfmen and James Darren were on that bill and the one on Feb 10…..If they weren't than the logical surmise is that the BBs were bottom of the bill on Feb 10 1962 as well (memories play tricks "late 61" could easily really be Feb 62.   These things are hard to prove or disprove….We know the BBs played some more shows at that time-but they were so unknown that they weren't advertised as acts. Usually a newspaper ad just lists the headliners and one or two others and than says "and other big acts." So who knows? There is no reason why they wouldn't play in Long Beach again if they could get on the bill.
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« Reply #7 on: January 12, 2014, 12:32:30 AM »

Just a note, that I'm adding the shows Ian has uncovered since his & Jon's outstanding book was published to the gigs wing of 10452 as he finds them.
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« Reply #8 on: January 12, 2014, 06:44:40 AM »

Just a note, that I'm adding the shows Ian has uncovered since his & Jon's outstanding book was published to the gigs wing of 10452 as he finds them.

 As they're not all in a group is it possible to mark them in some way as "new listinigs" ?
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« Reply #9 on: January 12, 2014, 12:34:13 PM »

Just a note, that I'm adding the shows Ian has uncovered since his & Jon's outstanding book was published to the gigs wing of 10452 as he finds them.

 As they're not all in a group is it possible to mark them in some way as "new listinigs" ?

Those gigs not listed in the book are marked with a # at Bellagio 10452

http://www.esquarterly.com/bellagio/gigs.html
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« Reply #10 on: January 12, 2014, 12:44:06 PM »

Just a note, that I'm adding the shows Ian has uncovered since his & Jon's outstanding book was published to the gigs wing of 10452 as he finds them.

 As they're not all in a group is it possible to mark them in some way as "new listinigs" ?

From the intro page:

"Shows noted # are not listed in the outstanding 2013 book The Beach Boys in Concert!: The Complete History of America's Band On Tour and Onstage, by Ian Rusten & Jon Stebbins."

That's been there since last fall.
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« Reply #11 on: January 12, 2014, 04:36:39 PM »

Just a note, that I'm adding the shows Ian has uncovered since his & Jon's outstanding book was published to the gigs wing of 10452 as he finds them.

 As they're not all in a group is it possible to mark them in some way as "new listinigs" ?

Those gigs not listed in the book are marked with a # at Bellagio 10452

http://www.esquarterly.com/bellagio/gigs.html

Just a note, that I'm adding the shows Ian has uncovered since his & Jon's outstanding book was published to the gigs wing of 10452 as he finds them.

 As they're not all in a group is it possible to mark them in some way as "new listinigs" ?

From the intro page:

"Shows noted # are not listed in the outstanding 2013 book The Beach Boys in Concert!: The Complete History of America's Band On Tour and Onstage, by Ian Rusten & Jon Stebbins."

That's been there since last fall.

Thanxx!  ( I tend to skip the intro page; now I know) 
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« Reply #12 on: January 13, 2014, 11:18:57 AM »

A few points . . .

January 6, 1962
The guests on this evening's Dance Party television show included the Four Cal-Quettes, Don Julian and the Meadowlarks, Vince Howard, the Bel Aires (most likely a misspelling of Belairs of "Mr. Moto" fame), and Johnny Burnette.  Paul Johnson, who, along with fellow guitarist Eddie Bertrand, founded the Belairs, recalled appearing with the Beach Boys on Dance Party, but was understandably unsure of the exact date.  Johnson recalled it was the Belairs' first appearance on the show, his mother watched it live that night on television at home, and that it was also the Beach Boys' first appearance on the show. Of course, it is pretty well accepted, thanks to surviving documents from the American Federation of Television and Radio Artists (AFTRA), that the Beach Boys' first appearance on Dance Party was Saturday, December 30, 1961.  It is unclear whether the Belairs appeared on the December 30, 1961, show as well. But this raises the tantalizing question if the Belairs' first appearance on Dance Party was indeed January 6, 1962, did the Beach Boys also appear that night, just one week after their debut appearance? Did the Beach Boys appear on Dance Party December 30, 1961, and January 6, 1962?  It is possible as Dance Party was a local television show that depended on booking local bands to fill out a schedule of nationally known artists.

February 3, 1962
Further complicating things, as if this needed any further complications, Johnson does not recall ever appearing on Dance Party with the Four Cal-Quettes, Don Julian and the Meadowlarks, Vince Howard, or Johnny Burnette. He does, however, recall appearing on Dance Party with Ketty Lester and the Lettermen. He also recalled that after the Dance Party appearance with the Beach Boys he rode home with them and they treated him to a beautiful a cappella rendition of "Surfer Girl," which they mentioned they were "going into the studio next week to record."  Well, that may place this Dance Party appearance on Saturday, February 3, 1962, as the Boys first recorded "Surfer Girl" with Hite Morgan at World Pacific Studio on Thursday, February 8, 1962.  On the KFWB Fabulous Forty Survey for the week ending Friday, February 9, 1962, the Beach Boys' "Surfin'" was #4, Ketty Lester's "Love Letters" was #15, the Lettermen's "When I Fall in Love" was #26, and the Belaires' (misspelled on the KFWB survey) "Mr. Moto was #24. So, each artist had a record out to promote and may have certainly been booked on Dance Party on Saturday, February 3, 1962. [Note: I have found no corroborating documentation that Kitty Lester and the Lettermen appeared on Dance Party on February 3, 1962.]  Confused yet?  I am.


February 10, 1962
In early 1962, James Darren was a very popular film and singing star having played the character Moondoggie in Gidget (1959) and scoring a #3 hit with "Goodbye Cruel World " on Colpix in 1961. So, his appearances on television often warranted listings in the television columns of local newspapers such as the Long Beach Independent and the Long Beach Press-Telegram.  He was also quite good looking and considered a teen idol much admired by the female teenage population who bought records in large numbers, especially if they had full-color picture sleeves which soon adorned their bedroom walls. [Note: We have young teenage girls to thank  for color picture sleeves.]

The Surfmen were a surf quartet from the Garden Grove area of Southern California who recorded for Bob Brown's Titan Records and had just released "Paradise Cove" (b/w "Ghost Hop," Titan 1723) in January 1962. An interesting Beach Boys related  footnote here is that Gary Usher recorded his second single for Titan Records ("You're the Girl" b/w "Driven Insane," Titan 1716) and Saundra Glantz, recording as "Ginger," recorded "Dry Tears" b/w "Spare Time" on Titan 1717 -- both in April 1961.  They struck up a romance when Bob Brown sent them out together to play a few local gigs to promote their respective (back-to-back) records. It was Ginger's relationship with Usher that led to Brian meeting fifteen-year-old Marilyn Rovell at Pandora's Box in late summer 1962. Of course, another Beach Boys-Titan connection is that "Paradise Cove" is where the Surfin' Safari front cover photograph would be taken by Kenneth Veeder, Capitol's in-house photographer, in late summer 1962. "Paradise Cove" by the Surfmen made enough local noise to warrant Herb Newman leasing it for his Era Records, much the same way he had just leased "Surfin'" on Candix 301. Newman had what all small record companies wanted.  A distribution network to get the record into Mom & Pop record stores all across the United States.

The Surfmen were mentioned along with James Darren in several newspaper advertisements and television listings prior to their February 10, 1962, appearance at the Long Beach Municipal Auditorium (LBMA). Although no other artists were mentioned in the ads or listings, many appeared as the show that night was a three-hour event with multiple artists on the bill.  The first hour was taped and broadcast the following Saturday evening (February 17, 1962) on local television as the Bob Eubanks Dance Party.  After the first hour of the February 10, 1962 show (the portion that would be televised the following week), attendees, who paid about $1.75 admission, were then entertained by a two-hour stage show featuring the other artists, many (all?) of whom had not been part of the first hour that had been taped for later broadcast. The show has been mistakenly referred to as the Wink Martindale Dance Party because Martindale started it in 1960 shortly after arriving in LA from a sister radio station in Memphis, where he had hosted a similar show and snagged Elvis as a guest July 16, 1955. The error was further promulgated when the Beach Boys joined AFTRA on December 29, 1961, and the show they were to appear on was listed as "Wink Martindale Dance Party." But Wink had left the show in early October 1961 to concentrate on his singing career as a recording artist on Randy Woods' Dot Records. When Martindale left KRLA and Dance Party, he handed the reins of the show over to his good friend and fellow KRLA disc jockey Bob Eubanks. At the request of the Long Beach Junior Chamber of Commerce, Eubanks moved Dance Party from the Aragon Ballroom at Pacific Ocean Park (P.O.P) [It had started at P.O.P.'s Sea Circus marine mammal pavilion] to the LBMA to give local authorities a wholesome activity to keep teenagers busy Saturday evenings, off the streets, and out of trouble. Juvenile delinquency was a concern at the time and in the newspapers on a fairly regular basis.  

Ray Hunt, guitarist and driving force of the Surfmen, told Bob Dalley in Surfin' Guitars, Instrumental Surf Bands of the Sixties [by the way, don't pay the exorbitant prices for the long out-of-print second edition as Bob will soon publish an updated third edition] that he recalled playing this show along with James Darren, Frankie Avalon, Della Reese, Gene McDaniels, Bobby Rydell, and the Beach Boys.  Hunt recalled the show was in "late 1961," but it was most likely February 10, 1962.  There are however, a few problems with Hunt's recollections.  From Dalley's seminal surf resource, "What I really remember about the Beach Boys at that time was they were only an instrumental group.  They didn't sing a lick that night." But that doesn't ring true to me. If the Boys performed during the first televised hour, they would most certainly have played "Surfin'," their current and only hit at the time, which had just moved from #4 to #3 on the KFWB Fabulous Forty Survey out that day (February 10, 1962).  And if the Boys played sometime during the following non-televised  two hours, they still would have sung "Surfin'" and, perhaps, one or two others. Songs that have been mentioned as possible candidates in their limited live repertoire at that time were "Johnny B. Goode," "The Twist," "Bermuda Shorts, " and "What'd I Say."  Hunt's recollection that they were "only an instrumental group" and "didn't sing a lick that night" is problematic.  Another interesting thing, and not necessarily a problem, is his recollection that Frankie Avalon and Bobby Rydell also appeared that night. These two singers were quite popular at the time and it is rather curious they did not make it into the advertisement or television listings for the show. Avalon was a much bigger star at the time than Darren and certainly the Surfmen.  So, assuming Hunt's recollection of playing with the Boys at this show is correct, and there is no strong case that he is incorrect, they may have played in the first hour that was televised or they may have played sometime during the following two hours that were not televised. But it would seem likely that one or more of their songs that night featured their vocals.


The Beach Boys in San Bernardino, CA

March 24, 1962

Hi-Teen Easter Fashion Show
Saturday, March 24, 1962, at 1:30 p.m.
Harris Department Store
4th Floor Auditorium
West 3rd and North E Streets
San Bernardino, California
[Source: San Bernardino County Sun, March 24, 1962, page B8]

and/or

May 12, 1962

Campus Deb Jamboree
Saturday, May 12, 1962, at 9:00 a.m.
California Theater
562 West 4th Street
San Bernardino, California
[Source: San Bernardino County Sun, May 12, 1962, page B6]

William F. Williams, then a disc jockey on KMEN covering the San Bernardino and Riverside area, recalled in David Leaf's The Beach Boys and the California Myth (1978, page 32), "We at KMEN were one of the first stations to play the Beach Boys records, and San Bernardino was a big Beach Boys town. Harris department store had a 'Deb-Teens' department and the girls at the area high schools who bought their clothes there became members of a 'club.'  Harris had a fashion show/concert each year for the girls who were members. KMEN was in charge of putting together the talent for Harris's concert, and I remember Murry Wilson came to us and literally begged us to let the Beach Boys be the opening act.  As I recall, they barely knew which end of the guitar case was up.  They looked very badly, played very badly, and sang very badly."

"Surfin'" had done pretty well on KMEN and KFWM in the Inland Empire of San Bernardino and Riverside.  Somewhat comparable to how it did in Los Angeles on KFWB, KRLA, and KDAY.

By March 24, 1962, "Surfin'" had just recently dropped off the charts, the all-important follow-up single was no where in sight, and Murry would soon send Hite and Dorinda Morgan a one-page "Letter of Intent and Agreement" dated March 29, 1962, in which he practically begged the Morgans to manage the group and help them secure a recording contract with a major record label.  Murry was desperately trying to keep the Beach Boys from being another one-hit wonder.  

By May 12, 1962 -- a mere forty-nine days later -- the scenario had changed remarkably and the Beach Boys' future was looking quite a bit rosier. On the strength of the two early to mid-April 1962 demo sessions at Western, engineered by Chuck Britz, which yielded, among other songs, "409," "Lonely Sea," and a newly recorded "Surfin' Safari," Murry hired LA music attorney Averill C. Pasarow in an effort to extricate the band from the March 29, 1962, agreement with the Morgans. That demo reel, on which Murry spliced an a cappella "Their Hearts Were Full of Spring," as we all know, and that's a story in itself, was purchased by Capitol Records, via A&R producer Nick Venet, with authorization from his boss Voyle Gilmore, for $300 on or about May 8, 1962. The Beach Boys then signed an interim recording contract May 24, 1962, that enabled Capitol to rush release "Surfin' Safari" b/w "409" as a summer single. A seven-year recording contract was signed July 16, 1962, and that contract was ratified November 8, 1962, by the Los Angeles Superior Court, in compliance with prevailing child labor laws, the so-called Jackie Coogan law, since four of the five members of the Beach Boys were still minors, and only Mike, born March 15, 1941, had reached the age of twenty-one before the band signed with Capitol.

So, the question of when the Beach Boys played the Harris Department Store is another "riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma" to paraphrase Sir Winston Churchill  Smiley   Ahh, we are learning organisms, indeed.

The Beach Boys are not mentioned in any newspaper advertisements for the March 24, 1962, Hi-Teen Easter Fashion Show, or the May 12, 1962, Campus Deb Jamboree. Unfortunately, there are no follow-up articles or reviews of either event. It seems the Campus Deb Jamboree was not yet an annual event in 1962, and there is no mention of a "concert" for either the May 12 or March 24, 1962, event. Disc jockey William F. Williams, as quoted in Leaf's book, provided frustratingly few clues. However, since Williams recalled Murry "literally begged us to let the Beach Boys be the opening act," one could possibly make a case for the March 24, 1962, date as "Surfin'" had just dropped off the charts and without a follow-up single things were looking a tad bleak. However, although the Beach Boys were no longer "desperate" by May 12, 1962, that potential appearance at Harris would have been arranged well before May 12 (how far in advance is unclear). But it likely Murry contacted Harris or Williams at KMEN in March, April or early May, before his meeting with Nick Venet at the Capitol Tower that first week in May which then led to the Capitol contract.

And finally, and I must break as there is a cup of coffee calling my name right about now . . .

One Man's Challenge
Dale Smallin's documentary film
Azusa Recreation Center
320 North Orange Avenue
Azusa, California
Friday, July 27, 1962 (not Saturday, July 28, 1962)

 . . .  Absolutely a planned event, no serendipity involved whatsoever, but that will have to wait until summer.  Suffice it to say, and, yeah, I know this is a teaser, there are some great, great rehearsal photos.  
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« Reply #13 on: January 13, 2014, 04:43:40 PM »

One Man's Challenge
Dale Smallin's documentary film
Azusa Recreation Center
320 North Orange Avenue
Azusa, California
Friday, July 27, 1962 (not Saturday, July 28, 1962)

 . . .  Absolutely a planned event, no serendipity involved whatsoever, but that will have to wait until summer.  Suffice it to say, and, yeah, I know this is a teaser, there are some great, great rehearsal photos.  

HEY NOW!!  There's no teasers with Beach Boys...
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« Reply #14 on: January 14, 2014, 07:45:51 AM »

Jim, Cool info.  I did not find that March 24 1962 Harris ad-so I figured they had to have appeared on May 12 but I agree that if Harris had an event on March 24 that is just as likely (probably more likely).  Date of One Man's  Challenge is also great to know (That was one of the dates from Badman's book-that I could never prove or disprove-so I accepted it with reservations) Did you actually find an ad for the BBs app in Azusa?
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« Reply #15 on: January 14, 2014, 08:29:06 AM »

Jim, you are incredible. I like the language aspect. In looking back, we say "the beach boys" this and "the beach boys" that.
Yet the definite article (or lack) would seem to have played a role all those years ago.  On Candix we have "Beach Boys", also
on the first Capitol single we have "Beach Boys".  Soon thereafter and forever it would be "The Beach Boys".

I sense workings of minds.  "Beach Boys" has a marvelous open-field big-hug quality...a good way to go. Even if "The Beach Boys"
was inevitable.  How the culture receives and responds.

And "The Surfmen"  versus "Beach Boys".  Interesting...which came first?  Each seems to be a reaction to the other. The former
has that athletic yet insulated quality.  The latter...better...to conquer the world. 
   
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« Reply #16 on: January 14, 2014, 09:32:43 AM »

Personally, I like the way Don articulates his thoughts with verbs, adverbs, nouns, pro-nouns, adjectives, split infinitives, and how he ends sentences properly with prepositions. All with correct spelling, grammar, and punctuation. And those metaphors..........I mean...........the guy can write.  I think he's a poet and don't knowit.
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« Reply #17 on: January 14, 2014, 09:33:39 AM »

Looking at some of Johnson's other BB-related statements leads me to the conclusion that his memory in this area is questionable, something Jim's post below would tend to underscore. I'd be leery of using his recollections as the sole source.
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« Reply #18 on: January 14, 2014, 09:46:20 AM »

Hey Mikie, Did you receive that Windows 3.1 Manual that I sent you?


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« Reply #19 on: January 14, 2014, 10:01:45 AM »

Hey Mikie, Did you receive that Windows 3.1 Manual that I sent you?

Yes I did, Big D.  Unfortunately I am unable to use it - my operating system is still MSDOS.
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« Reply #20 on: January 15, 2014, 09:45:44 AM »

A few points . . .

January 6, 1962
The guests on this evening's Dance Party television show included the Four Cal-Quettes, Don Julian and the Meadowlarks, Vince Howard, the Bel Aires (most likely a misspelling of Belairs of "Mr. Moto" fame), and Johnny Burnette.  Paul Johnson, who, along with fellow guitarist Eddie Bertrand, founded the Belairs, recalled appearing with the Beach Boys on Dance Party, but was understandably unsure of the exact date.  Johnson recalled it was the Belairs' first appearance on the show, his mother watched it live that night on television at home, and that it was also the Beach Boys' first appearance on the show. Of course, it is pretty well accepted, thanks to surviving documents from the American Federation of Television and Radio Artists (AFTRA), that the Beach Boys' first appearance on Dance Party was Saturday, December 30, 1961.  It is unclear whether the Belairs appeared on the December 30, 1961, show as well. But this raises the tantalizing question if the Belairs' first appearance on Dance Party was indeed January 6, 1962, did the Beach Boys also appear that night, just one week after their debut appearance? Did the Beach Boys appear on Dance Party December 30, 1961, and January 6, 1962?  It is possible as Dance Party was a local television show that depended on booking local bands to fill out a schedule of nationally known artists.

According to Paul, he first met the BB in early 1962, and that was when they told him about "Surfer Girl" - interview in McParland's sessions book.
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« Reply #21 on: January 15, 2014, 10:42:35 AM »

This is what makes research interesting but also frustrating.  Usually ads in the 1962 TV Section for Dance Party don't list the guests or else just list a headliner.  What we need is a complete list of Dance Party shows with notations of what musicians appeared.  Clearly-the footage is long gone-erased by someone with little foresight.  But surely (even if Eubanks or Martindale can't recall) paperwork exists.  But-people have to have incentive to dig in their attics or pull out that tattered diary and I don't think there is much economic incentive for these folks.  All you can do is hope that the info comes to light (as per chance did the BBs AFTRA Cards).  I recall that when I was doing research on film dates-I had to write to like twenty people before I finally found a kind gentleman at Disney who agreed to look in the vaults for the filming dates of Monkey's Uncle.  And the reply was months later-when I'd given up hope of getting one.  But it was nice to learn the date-even if it doesn't really matter much to anyone but a few fanatics. 
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« Reply #22 on: January 15, 2014, 10:44:29 AM »

Looking at some of Johnson's other BB-related statements leads me to the conclusion that his memory in this area is questionable, something Jim's post below would tend to underscore. I'd be leery of using his recollections as the sole source.
Paul Johnson is a nice guy, and a talented guitarist...but yes, I interviewed him at length many years ago and many of his Beach Boys recollections were easily debunked by the facts. One was that the Beach Boys offered him a slot in the band to "replace Al' at the time that their first album was out and the Surfin USA single was rising in the charts. I said it must have been David because Al was not in the group at that time, but he insisted he was asked to replace Al, before David...so I said then it must have been before they'd had a major hit, and he insisted that wasn't the case and it was when they had a huge national hit single. I explained that maybe it was when Surfin was a minor national hit..but he insisted no...it was a top 5 hit because his band thought he was crazy to not take the gig with a group that was so huge. So I explained that the band didn't become huge until after Dave was a member. But he kept insisting that it was after they were huge, but before Dave was in the group...so i just left it alone because it made no sense at all.
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« Reply #23 on: January 15, 2014, 11:37:24 AM »

This is what makes research interesting but also frustrating.  Usually ads in the 1962 TV Section for Dance Party don't list the guests or else just list a headliner.  What we need is a complete list of Dance Party shows with notations of what musicians appeared.  Clearly-the footage is long gone-erased by someone with little foresight.  But surely (even if Eubanks or Martindale can't recall) paperwork exists.  But-people have to have incentive to dig in their attics or pull out that tattered diary and I don't think there is much economic incentive for these folks.  All you can do is hope that the info comes to light (as per chance did the BBs AFTRA Cards).  I recall that when I was doing research on film dates-I had to write to like twenty people before I finally found a kind gentleman at Disney who agreed to look in the vaults for the filming dates of Monkey's Uncle.  And the reply was months later-when I'd given up hope of getting one.  But it was nice to learn the date-even if it doesn't really matter much to anyone but a few fanatics.  

I think it's as much a case of standard procedure and low local TV station budgets as much as foresight, because these teen dance and music shows weren't given much to work with from the stations producing them. To say most of them had a "shoestring" budget would be an understatement, and at that time videotape was so expensive they'd just use and re-use it to shave thousands off their budget. But kudos to those who did save or archive what did survive.

What I've wondered is did anyone in the band's circle of family and friends do the home-brew recording method from their TV set, and either set up a tape recorder in front of their TV or even do a home kinescope by rolling a home movie camera in front of the screen? Even something like Lennon and McCartney appearing with Joe Garagiola on Carson only exists in pieces because a fan shot silent footage from a camera and another ran audio tape from home.

I'd just think with a band of kids, basically, appearing on a TV show in the early 60's that someone close to them would have recorded it, because it was a huge deal to be on TV at that time in history. Or maybe they did and it just got lost.

I'm also thinking someone who was as avid a home taper with a good home tape recorder like Brian Wilson was at this time would have considered having someone record the appearance even if only on audio, but again maybe they did and it just got lost or taped over.
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