"Summer's Never Really Gone"

[ontor pertawst]

Well, don't book MORE. How many were booked before the reunion tour, anyway? Is that going to be the excuse for the next few years as well as to why they can't do anything together? Biloxi '14 is calling?

[drbeachboy]

If the reunion tour had a finite end in the agreement, why would Mike cancel shows that were booked for after the reunion end date?

[ontor pertawst]

Do you really need an itemized list of the benefits of continuing a highly successful collaboration with the remaining original Beach Boys that led to a hit album, well received concerts, and tons of media exposure and waves of goodwill as opposed to playing Waco?

I know, he prefers doing that instead. So we have a difference of opinion! It's not the first time Mike Love did something I don't like nor the last. I'm looking at you, Country Love.

Still, it's a shame. I really liked him a lot more as a result of this reunion tour and appreciated his work over the decades more than I ever did before. So you're wrong about ML not being ever to change people's minds about him. He did for me this year! He's kinda pissing that away a bit now, however eloquent this piece.

it IS the same boring argument, tho.

"They were contractually obligated!"

"Sure. Nobody denies that. But it's just kind of foolish in light of this going so well."

"They were planned. Everybody knew this was going to happen. This was a one time only thing."

"Ah, it just doesn't have to be, tho. Why can't he swallow his pride a bit? He pays lip service to his cousin but doesn't want to keep touring with him? What's that about?"

"They were contractually obligated!"

"Sure. Nobody denies that..."

Be sure to catch more of this argument as it careens through the winter and most of 2013!

[drbeachboy]

The reunion agreement was a contract. Shows were booked before agreement. Taking full band on the road after reunion tour means not enough money to pay everybody. Band gets pissed because they didn't get paid. Darian, Mikey and the rest can't feed their families. It is a business as much as it is an artistic venture. People need to get real about that side of it.

[HeyJude]

If the reunion tour had a finite end in the agreement, why would Mike cancel shows that were booked for after the reunion end date?

No one (well, as far as I can tell) has really harped on the existing October shows that had already been booked. I have argued they could have been cancelled perhaps, but regardless of that, what do the handfull of "already booked" shows have to do with Mike continuing to book shows? As I've said, if no more bookings pop up, then maybe these "what about the shows he already booked?" arguments will mean something. Otherwise, the issue isn't the small number of already booked shows, it's Mike's likely (which may be proven as definite) intention to continue booking shows and not doing more reunion shows. Will all of his shows be in "small markets?"

[stack-o-tracks]

Aunt Audrey, eh?

[HeyJude]

The reunion agreement was a contract. Shows were booked before agreement. Taking full band on the road after reunion tour means not enough money to pay everybody. Band gets pissed because they didn't get paid. Darian, Mikey and the rest can't feed their families. It is a business as much as it is an artistic venture. People need to get real about that side of it.

While it largely doesn't matter, we don't know for sure that Mike/Bruce shows were booked specifically before the "reunion agreement" was even entered into. Mike may have not any non-reunion gigs booked at that point, giving Brian and Al some slight and largely unrealistic hope that Mike might forego his "contractual right" to not do more reunion stuff, and then at some point after Mike confirmed what was his contractual right was, which was to book shows afterward. Again, that doesn't matter much in the grand scheme of things, but we just don't know. It only matters if we believe maybe Brian and Al had some reason at some point to be hopeful Mike wouldn't do what he was technically allowed to do.

Further, we don't know the specific finances on either of these tours. "Not logistically or economically feasible" is open to interpretation. Maybe bringing such a band to small venues would mean reduced profits, but profits nonetheless. We don't know that there is or would be literally not enough money to pay band members. More to the point, Mike's statement doesn't address the possibility of any sort of compromise. It makes it sound like the choices are huge band/venues/cities, or small band/venues/cities.

They could maybe strip down the band a bit, maybe agree to smaller but still substantial profits, and a mixture of venue types.

[ontor pertawst]

Aunt Audrey, eh?

Who could forget loveable Aunt Audrey and tyrannical-yet-heart-o-gold Uncle Murray. Surely the sixth and seventh Beached Buoys, respectively.

(Audrey Farber?)

[HeyJude]

Aunt Audrey, eh?

Who could forget loveable Aunt Audrey and tyrannical-yet-heart-o-gold Uncle Murray. Surely the sixth and seventh Beached Buoys, respectively.

(Audrey Farber?)

I for one would have liked to see more mention in Mike's statement of Bruce Johnson and David Marx.

[drbeachboy]

This topic is like beating a dead horse. If you don't get it after all these posts, you never will. My last post on the subject.

[Justin]

Same here, drbeachboy...I've already maxed out on this topic and with Mike's letter coming out today there really isn't any more new ground to cover here.  The reunion actually happened.  It's over now and we could possibly see them together again one day.  There's really nothing left to discuss.

[SloopJohnnyB]

Sorry but Give The People What They Want! Mike can fullfill his current obligations and then get together with Brian and the Boys next year. Give the fans a break! Keep it together!

If the reunion tour and album weren't so successful I could see why Mike would want to go back to his touring.

Life is short. The clock is ticking. Don't waste it.

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

Same here, drbeachboy...I've already maxed out on this topic and with Mike's letter coming out today there really isn't any more new ground to cover here.  The reunion actually happened.  It's over now and we could possibly see them together again one day.  There's really nothing left to discuss.

Agreed. I'm going to lock this now.