Thoughts on the BWPS live DVD?

[ghost]

Unless you've been similarly indulgent as Brian there's really no way for you to understand that there's no need to pity the man or consider him damaged BY something other than himself. Almost all problems are non-existent mental mirages. Drugs... pssh, what harm do they do? These bodies are so intelligent, they heal repair diagnose treat themselves without any doctors or textbooks. I trust in nature and the intelligence in my organism not to ever be lastingly harmed by anything. I shed a skin every day like a snake. Every moment I'm born anew. How can the past stain me? This is the illusion we live in if we refer to the past - oh I did this and that so I'm like THIS now. Like what? You can be anything you want, right now. Total freedom. Forget the past, it's nonexistent to you now. Forget the future, it is nonexistent to you now. Forget the present, it depends on the other two nonexistents. Disappear.

[hypehat]

[ghost]

 

[Amy B.]

Okay, what is it about Lorren Darg that makes everybody's stomach turn?? The way I see it, he's just telling it like it was. And why on earth is he credited as Lorren Darg instead of Loren Schwartz??

Unlike everyone else in the documentary, he has nothing more to contribute than 'I got Brian Wilson into drugs', which no matter what slightly paranormal companions of ours might say, was probably a bad move.

To me, one value of having him there is that you get a sense of who Brian was hanging out with/who might have been influencing Brian during that era. For better or for worse. It's just too bad the BBs didn't participate, because then you would have had more perspectives. I kind of hope in the future someone will make a definitive documentary about BW with a range of people--Mike, Al, David, Marilyn, Lorren, Anderle, Parks, Asher, Carnie and Wendy, etc, and maybe archival interview footage from Dennis and Carl. I'd rather have that than the biopic.

[absinthe_boy]

it has the same wimpy bass as on BWPS but besides that it's great, i love watching it

You so need to hear BWPS on vinyl...

And the DVD certainly doesn't have wimpy bass...at least not when pushed through a halfway decent 5.1 system.

It is a fine concert DVD. Having attended a SMiLE gig I find the DVD brings back lots of memories. It presents quite accuratley what  a SMiLE show was like. It is therefore a document of a moment in time that cannot be repeated.....it is also an entertaining concert DVD that will stand the test of time because the editing is not too gimicky.

[ghost]

the very playing of the bass is wimpy compared to the original Smile sessions

just listen to BWPS or BWPS dvd version of Child - the bass is NOTHING compared to what the smile sessions recordings of it sound like

believe me i've turned up the bass on BWPS plenty of times trying to get a more satisfying bass, something like how the the gotta keep those thudding bass sounds in Good Vibrations... but it's just a little thud in BWPS and live.

[ghost]

Anyone noticed the beautiful female playing violin? She outshines Taylor without even trying. Brunettes ftw.

[PS]

Anyone noticed the beautiful female playing violin? She outshines Taylor without even trying. Brunettes ftw.

She was as beautiful in person. And preggers at the time, if memory serves.

[RONDEMON]

I never liked Lizik's bass playing and he adds nothing to the BWPS stuff.
He played with his fingers most of the time and on a 5-string bass no less. Ugh.

Save that for R&B and jazz fusion not the Carol Kaye/palm-muted bass lines all over the 60s tunes.
The new guy is much better and more in tune with the feel/vibe of the basslines.

[ghost]

I never liked Lizik's bass playing and he adds nothing to the BWPS stuff.
He played with his fingers most of the time and on a 5-string bass no less. Ugh.

THANK YOU.

myself and a few others have been hung up on the shitty bass sound and weak playing for years now. if bwps had the booming bass of the original smile stuff i might really like it a ton more.

[hypehat]

Despite what the cosmically conscious would believe, Brian was obviously happy with Bob Lizik's playing on BWPS.

[ghost]

Despite what the cosmically conscious would believe, Brian was obviously happy with Bob Lizik's playing on BWPS.

or did he just not want to hurt the dude's feelings? brian seems like that sometimes now, that he's become very very sensitive to other people and he sacrifices many things for it. like when on that video on his website or facebook, melinda joked "let's fire jeff" and brian said so innocently and sweetly like a child "what? fire jeff? noo..." [paraphrased] and it broke my heart to hear it. i think that even if jeff ate brian's dogs he wouldn't get fired. maybe given a raise. less barking.

[homeontherange]

I never liked Lizik's bass playing and he adds nothing to the BWPS stuff.
He played with his fingers most of the time and on a 5-string bass no less. Ugh.

THANK YOU.

myself and a few others have been hung up on the sh*tty bass sound and weak playing for years now. if bwps had the booming bass of the original smile stuff i might really like it a ton more.

Yeah where's the fuzz? And why can't you hear the VITALLY IMPORTANT bassline on "Mrs Olearys Cow"? This guy even plays the wrong notes in the "Roll Plymouth Rock" chorus, even if it's almost impossible to hear. And I'd also like to mention how he doesn't give a sh*t about playing the original bass notes in the IWFTD chorus. He just skips the dirty ones.
So disappointed that no one in the band cared about the bass. Miss the Wrecking Crew <3

[homeontherange]

Despite what the cosmically conscious would believe, Brian was obviously happy with Bob Lizik's playing on BWPS.

I'm not sure Brian still remembers all the old groovy bass notes. And I think he doesn't Care that much about the sound of the bass which he obviously did in the 60s and 70s.
I think he just trusts his band.

[ghost]

I never liked Lizik's bass playing and he adds nothing to the BWPS stuff.
He played with his fingers most of the time and on a 5-string bass no less. Ugh.

THANK YOU.

myself and a few others have been hung up on the sh*tty bass sound and weak playing for years now. if bwps had the booming bass of the original smile stuff i might really like it a ton more.

Yeah where's the fuzz? And why can't you hear the VITALLY IMPORTANT bassline on "Mrs Olearys Cow"? This guy even plays the wrong notes in the "Roll Plymouth Rock" chorus, even if it's almost impossible to hear. And I'd also like to mention how he doesn't give a sh*t about playing the original bass notes in the IWFTD chorus. He just skips the dirty ones.
So disappointed that no one in the band cared about the bass. Miss the Wrecking Crew <3

on the vinyl the bass on Mrs O Leary's Cow can be heard better - there's a youtube of it if you look around. but still, BWPS suffers in the bass department BIG TIME. songs it is most obvious on to me - cabinessence, child is the father of the man - goodness how these suffer.

[hypehat]

Despite what the cosmically conscious would believe, Brian was obviously happy with Bob Lizik's playing on BWPS.

I'm not sure Brian still remembers all the old groovy bass notes. And I think he doesn't Care that much about the sound of the bass which he obviously did in the 60s and 70s.
I think he just trusts his band.

Nothing wrong with trusting his band, unless you're an ethereal spirit from beyond the grave.  

[ghost]

there's everything wrong with trusting your band if they make awful artistic choices in your own creations.

[hypehat]

there's everything wrong with trusting your band if they make awful artistic choices in your own creations.

Bingo. Let me guess, give him a moog, some cocaine and a bathrobe and BWPS would have been what Brian really wanted, right.

[puni puni]

i bet the band had something to do with those cymbal rolls

they happen like a million times throughout the album, it's terrible!

wait, it only happens in child and in blue hawaii. but on the live DVD it happens during cabin essence and sounds really cheesy. i'm just going to assume that the parts i don't like are the band's fault and the good parts were brian's compositions.

[ghost]

there's everything wrong with trusting your band if they make awful artistic choices in your own creations.

Bingo. Let me guess, give him a moog, some cocaine and a bathrobe and BWPS would have been what Brian really wanted, right.

maybe if the surviving wrecking crew got together and brian produced it, it would have been what he wanted - but there's no way that BWPS is what brian wilson of 1966 would have thought the sound of his Smile masterpiece would be like. whether he REALLY does now or not is un certain.

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

maybe if the surviving wrecking crew got together and brian produced it, it would have been what he wanted - but there's no way that BWPS is what brian wilson of 1966 would have thought the sound of his Smile masterpiece would be like.

Agreed. I love BWPS, but let's not forget that it was a studio document of the live show. It is not and was not ever intended to be THE Smile.

[hypehat]

Exactly. Just belted at 5 in the morning and trying to get a rise out of the paranormal, so don't mind me...

[Aegir]

but that's a fact a lot of people tend to ignore. and I feel like that was in the back of Darian and co's heads the whole time. let's get Brian to agree to playing the songs live. if it goes well, we'll record it-- but say it's just a studio version of this live presentation. but we'll have released Smile... mwahahahaha

[Micha]

Agreed. I love BWPS, but let's not forget that it was a studio document of the live show. It is not and was not ever intended to be THE Smile.

Now let's not get into THAT again. There are folks who get quite angry when discussing what exactly is "the" SMiLE... 

[P.J.]

I am trying to extract the audio from the DVD so that I can play the live performance in my car. Is there a free program that someone would recommend to use? The ones I've tried don't seem to work.

Thank you in advanced.