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« Reply #25 on: April 16, 2008, 06:51:47 AM »

I was surprised that Chuck Britz called Holland a piece of crap in that 1993 interview available on YouTube. Ok, from a mastering point of view, I hear some inconsistencies on the California Saga suite f.e., but otherwise, I don't know what his problem was.

Although I enjoy HOLLAND, it is one of the worst-sounding Beach Boys releases from an engineering standpoint (which probably colored Britz's view of it). SMILEY SMILE and WILD HONEY are in that boat, too, but HOLLAND sticks out because it came after three excellent-to-good releases, engineering-wise. I assume the whole "building a studio in Holland" was to blame, but the album's muddiness can be off-putting. The vocal mixing is especially bad ("California" is about the best; "Funky Pretty" the worst). Even the most recent CD reissue has the right channel dropping out at several points during the early portions of the album (although this could be due to simple tape decay). I suppose the haziness of everything has a certain charm, but it's a long way from the sonic brilliance of SUNFLOWER just three years earlier.

those are tape dropouts caused by deterioration of the master they used on the 2000 CD reissue.  the dropouts appear sproadically through "Big Sur" and "Beaks Of Eagles".  the original vinyl does not have this issue.  not sure if the 1991 CD reissue iss affected or not.  1970s-era tapes are notorious for having "sticky-shed" syndrome, which is essentially the backcoating of the tape turning to liquid.  the tapes then have to be baked in order to be played through and are fairly fragile from that point on.  This occurred with Ampex 456 (as well as some others), which was industry standard.  i don't know what brand tapes were used for HOLLAND. 
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« Reply #26 on: April 16, 2008, 10:27:17 AM »

I was surprised that Chuck Britz called Holland a piece of crap in that 1993 interview available on YouTube. Ok, from a mastering point of view, I hear some inconsistencies on the California Saga suite f.e., but otherwise, I don't know what his problem was.

Although I enjoy HOLLAND, it is one of the worst-sounding Beach Boys releases from an engineering standpoint (which probably colored Britz's view of it). SMILEY SMILE and WILD HONEY are in that boat, too, but HOLLAND sticks out because it came after three excellent-to-good releases, engineering-wise. I assume the whole "building a studio in Holland" was to blame, but the album's muddiness can be off-putting. The vocal mixing is especially bad ("California" is about the best; "Funky Pretty" the worst). Even the most recent CD reissue has the right channel dropping out at several points during the early portions of the album (although this could be due to simple tape decay). I suppose the haziness of everything has a certain charm, but it's a long way from the sonic brilliance of SUNFLOWER just three years earlier.

those are tape dropouts caused by deterioration of the master they used on the 2000 CD reissue.  the dropouts appear sproadically through "Big Sur" and "Beaks Of Eagles".  the original vinyl does not have this issue.  not sure if the 1991 CD reissue iss affected or not.  1970s-era tapes are notorious for having "sticky-shed" syndrome, which is essentially the backcoating of the tape turning to liquid.  the tapes then have to be baked in order to be played through and are fairly fragile from that point on.  This occurred with Ampex 456 (as well as some others), which was industry standard.  i don't know what brand tapes were used for HOLLAND. 

I thought as much and probably shouldn't have included tape deterioration among my complaints of the original engineering! Ampex seems to have had some major problems during the 70s/80s. I work in video production and used Ampex videotape briefly in the mid-80s only to discover major dropout and playback issues within the space of a year. I switched back to the Sony brand pronto!
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« Reply #27 on: April 16, 2008, 10:35:08 AM »

Ummm...every vinyl copy of "Holland" I've heard has those exact same drop-outs, including an original issue with the EP picture sleeve...

Another Warner/Reprise LP with the same problem is the 1975 Fleetwood Mac album...cut one, "Monday Morning"...
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« Reply #28 on: April 16, 2008, 11:34:41 AM »

Personally I think the engineering was not that good on So Tough or Holland - Stephen Desper not being there is the most likely culprit IMO.
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« Reply #29 on: April 16, 2008, 12:13:43 PM »

i'll have to listen to my original U.S. vinyl copy again.  The vinyl copy i used to play the most was an original German import and did not have the dropouts.  weird.
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« Reply #30 on: April 16, 2008, 12:32:05 PM »

The vinyl copy i used to play the most was an original German import and did not have the dropouts.  weird.

Is there a song called "We Got Love" on it or "Steamboat" listed as first song on the label.  Cheesy
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