Songs with NO Love

[carl r]

Can I add "Time To Get Alone" ?

[KokoMoses]

what's the point of any of this? Mike still sang on all of these songs except for maybe a couple.

[KokoMoses]

What if I took "Get back" by The Beatles and used it as an example to somehow knock Lennon because he didn't write the lyrics? That would be beyond silly. He still contributed the lead guitar part, the song was released by The Beatles, and he was in The Beatles. End of story!

This is moronic and it just feeds peoples snideness toward the The Beach Boys in general.

[carl r]

Sorry, I am not totally serious about this, but to misquote Lloyd Bentsen, "Mike Love, you're no John Lennon." 

Or is "Mike Love Not War" really, really as good as "Imagine" or "Plastic Ono" ?

If so, then OK...

When a band fragments, we only have solo output to say what kind of things were contributed by the various band members.

So we can say that the Beatles had 3 great songwriters when they split.

Not having broken up, the Beach Boys individual output is a bit more murky, you could make a case for Dennis, perhaps a lesser case for Carl's solo output, some people like Bruce's songs, but no-one seems to think Mike Love has done too much. Anyway, I don't think people are knocking the lovester, just trying to pick a way through the venomously anti-Love agenda and blind worship for someone who seems a bit flawed in various ways.

[KokoMoses]

"When a band fragments, we only have solo output to say what kind of things were contributed by the various band members."



that's as absurd a statement as I've ever heard.


bands aren't solo careers. bands are collaborative situations no matter what the lable credits read. It all comes down to chemistry and how the members different sensebilities/strengths/weaknessess play off each other..... I shouldn't have to be explaining this.



And I'd count Ringo as a pretty damm great songwriter as well.

[Dancing Bear]

Not having broken up, the Beach Boys individual output is a bit more murky, you could make a case for Dennis, perhaps a lesser case for Carl's solo output, some people like Bruce's songs, but no-one seems to think Mike Love has done too much.

I'll take Mike's best of Celebration/First Love/LBWL over Carl's two solo albums anyday. Now there's a War of Titans for you. 

But it's unfair. If Carl had released a solo album in 1976 or 1978, the odds are that it would have sounded much better than the ones he recorded in 1981 and 1983.

[carl r]

Without becoming self-righteous, I actually think writing, whether it is music or books, is an individual, often solitary affair. Maybe, when it comes to recording, the band can suggest and adapt, as actors might suggest additions or changes to a film script. My understanding of Brian's process was that he directly collaborated sometimes, other times just gave out a tape and said "think of some words." Even when directly collaborating, the tunes resulted from hours of bashing at the piano. So no, generally I don't think music creation is normally a group effort, but it can be 2 people bashing ideas off each other. Does anyone really dispute who had more ideas in a Love/Wilson composition? Maybe it doesn't matter, but it seems that the Beach Boys have had loads of issues with this, probably because of Murry, originally.

[Mark H.]

 I shouldn't have to be explaining this.

Why?

And I'd count Ringo as a pretty damm great songwriter as well.

Really?

hmmm.....ok

[KokoMoses]

why?..... I'll just let you sit there and wonder

Ringo a great songwriter?

why? should I not be able to think that?

are you really a music fan?