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« on: April 04, 2006, 07:44:18 AM »

I just figured I should start this with an essay I found (it's a few years old, but it still works):



A retrospective of the Ramones' career
Hey-ho. Mark looks back on the influence of de brudders Ramone...


The Ramones rank as one of the greatest prototypes in rock. Currently enjoying a revival of interest which (or because) half the band is unfortunately no longer around to enjoy, the New York CBGB graduates were the spark that ignited punk in the UK in the 1970s. Most music bibles credit the group with begin the first punk band, the band which paved the way for the more loud-mouthed and commanding Sex Pistols and more politically charged The Clash.

Joey RamoneBut then there's a thousand references to the Ramones in any serious rock index. Because this band inspired almost all of the defining movements in rock's modern history. The Ramones sound can be heard clearly in US hardcore through the 80s and 90s while the band's 1-2-3-4 attack style has resurfaced in international garage rock revivalism. From a sideways glance the group looked criminally goofy, all spindly legged spider rockers. The genius of the four leather jacketed "brudders" from Queens lay however in their very ability to subvert the prevailing Rocky-style all-American machismo with an irresistible cartoon geekishness. Add to that their whacked-out fusion of 60s girl group-style tunes with punk and you've got something of a goofy Alice Cooper tribute outfit.

But yet the component parts meshed wonderfully into something taken utterly seriously by Johnny Rotten, Joe Strummer and a young Dublin group called U2 seeking for something new and hard-edged amid the glam, Wham! and big hair of late 70s/early eighties. Founded in New York in 1974 and disbanded in 1996, the Ramones, said band-leader Joey "...wanted to kind of save rock n' roll, keep it exciting and fun and the whole bit." Four misfits from Queens, NY stole a Paul McCartney pseudonym as their common surname and declared a revolution. They vowed to kill the deadweight, cut the crap and bring back the primal energy of rock n ´roll. Rock should be fun they preached. And sure enough, with their rallying cry of "hey ho let's go" the Ramones got their revolution and changed the history of rock.

Cover of the Ramones 'End of the Century'Their album 'End of the Century' (1980) re-released in a new expanded edition that features the original twelve songs produced by legendary (and recent murder suspect) studio man Phil Spector (along with six bonus tracks, five of them new to the music shelves and the sixth a Joey Ramone radio spot). This album was recorded at a period when the new wave style of the eighties was chasing punk out of town. This, combined with Spector's unpredictability and stubborness created an album not so identifiably Ramones and impossibly out of context in the group's recording career. That doesn't mean it's not the probably the best thing they ever did: it probably is. An offering that never features high on fans' favourites lists, time has been very much kinder to this record than the critics were twenty three years ago. 'End of the Century' sees the band on a colossal sound - trademark Spector - but, uniquely, without Johnny's customary buzzsaw guitar sound leading the mix. A band that could always sound impossibly chunky, the Ramones benefit best from Spector's presence in the sense that he drew out hidden subtleties and potential in their traditional sound: thus Johnny's Mosrite guitar blazes rather than chugs, while Joey shows off his pop sensibilities in some evocative and emotional singing amid the very un-Ramones strings - surely a contentious choice by Spector among his punk-rock charges. Two tacks make 'End of the Century' a real contender: 'Rock & Roll High School' and 'Do You Remember Rock & Roll Radio?', two wonderful shots at a big pay day. Sadly the record remained only moderately successful, though a listen to 'Rock & Roll High School' will loosen the tear wells in any old rocker's eyes. This writer was quite privileged to catch Ramones contemporary Simon Carmody crack it open and move the house at an Olympia charity gig in Dublin last Christmas.

Cover of the Ramones 'Pleasant Dreams''Pleasant Dreams' (1981) carries the 12 songs on the original release as well as seven previously unreleased tracks. The wonderfully titled 'The KKK Took My Baby Away' makes one wish the Ramones' had ventured into sociological commentary a little more often. Their sixth studio album, 'Pleasant Dreams' unfortunately suffers by comparison and surely marks the beginning of the end of quality days for the Ramones.

The Ramones were nothing if not prolific. From 1983, 'Subterranean Jungle' features the regulatory dozen tracks but in its reissued format it carries seven unreleased songs. The effect is to overload even a dedicated fan: this was never one of the band's better albums and is only notable in the Ramone canon because it sees the group for the first time clocking four minutes on a song. Despite sporting the coolest sleeve photo in the band's discography, there's a throwaway, taking-the-mickey feel to the whole project. The 12th track for example - 'Everytime I Eat Vegetables It Makes Me Think of You' - would work if it was humorous and not a rotten tomato.

Cover of the Ramones 'Too Tough to Die''Too Tough to Die' (1984) however did show the band at their hard-hitting best. With original drummer Tommy Erdelyi producing, the band here goes back to its punk roots. The original 13 songs are included but on this outing of the album UK single 'Street Fighting', 'Smash You' and a whopping nine more previously unreleased bonus tracks are added on. It's strange to find a main-line record company so generous with the out-takes and extra tracks. Is it an effort to add value to the relatively stodgy units in The Ramones back catalogue? A clearing out of the archives? One suspects the former but such a weight of tracks makes for an outright overdose for the curious newcomers who may be buying the albums on the back of the press surrounding Joey and Dee Dee's passing.

Devastating and crafty when they tried, the Ramones were never technical geniuses and their flaws were all too obvious as the younger generation of New Wave acts they spawned began to shade the Ramones out. Perhaps a longer association with Phil Spector may have freshened the band, but the band's one-album collaboration with the producing genius was too painful to allow that. Out of time, out of place, and still incapable of playing a fourth chord, the Ramones were lizards left to die on the highway as younger, sharper machines roared by. Capable of bludgeoning, uncompromising music that often bested the ravaging power of the Stooges and the percussive assault of contemporary garage bands, the Ramones unfortunately left it too late to quit. Their amazingly long haul was too long and the last 16 years of the band's career produced much more in the line of quantity than quality.

The goofy image worked right to the end though. The group was fortuitous in having as their image maker New York photographer Chip Dayton, who shot the band from their early live shows at the CBGB onwards. His black and whites from the Ramones buzz-saw style gigs defined the band's live appeal. The ragged leather-jacket-white-t-shirt-and-jeans uniform of the band was exploited wonderfully by Dayton to create a million copy-cats and the images that sell so well on the band's new generation of fans.

Key figures of rock music's family tree, the Ramones' 1976 first show in London provided The Clash, Buzzcocks and the Sex Pistols with the courage and inspiration to go forth and conquer. The British scene eventually eclipsed the New York punk revolution but the Ramones have always been credited as the standard bearers.

More recently, hardcore artists like Green Day and Offspring have flaunted their Ramones influences. Johnny Ramone guested at a Pearl Jam show, Pearl Jam paid tribute to Joey and Dee Dee on their latest album. Joey also offered regular counsel to long time fans U2, a group who played a Ramones song at their first TV audition. The Strokes are fans, Black Rebel Motorcycle Club have saluted the Brudders...

So the Ramones place is certifiably sure in rock's annals: just listen for them in every other contemporary rock album you buy.
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« Reply #1 on: April 05, 2006, 11:33:55 AM »

I was dissapointed in the Ramones 2 and 3 cd compilations Rhino issued. Unlike the album reissues there were no out-takes, live versions and only a few single versions. This is my 3 cd Ramones compilation I made:

Disc One:
1. Blitzkrieg Bop (single version)
2. You Should Never Have Opened That Door (1975 demo)
3. I Don't Wanna Be Learned (1975 demo)
4. I Don't Wanna Walk Around with You
5. Judy is a Punk
6. Beat on the Brat
7. 53rd and 3rd (live New Jersey 1976)
8. Havana Affair
9. Chainsaw
10. Loudmouth (live at the Roxy 1976)
11. Glad to See Ya Go (live at the Roxy 1976)
12. Listen to my Heart (live at the Roxy 1976)
13. Today Your Love, Tomorrow the World
14. Gimme Gimme Shock Treatment
15. Suzie is a Headbanger
16. Cammando
17. Now I Wanna Be a Good Boy
18. California Sun
19. Cretin Hop
20. Rockaway Beach
21. I Don't Care (single version)
22. I Wanna be Well
23. We're a Happy Family
24. Ramona
25. Locket Love
26. It's a Long Way Back to Germany (UK single b-side version)
27. I Wanted Everything
28. I Don't Want You
29. I'm Against it
30. I Wanna Be Sedated
31. Don't Come Close
32. I Just Wanna Have Something to do
33. She's the One
34. Teenage Lobotomy (live version from It's Alive!)
35. Do You Wanna Dance (live version from It's Alive!)
36. Pinhead (live version from It's Alive)

Disc Two:
1. Rock and Roll High School (Ed Stasium version)
2. I Want You Around (Ed Stasium version)
3. Come Back She Cried
4. All the Way (Ed Stasium produced demo, original planned title track for 5th Ramones album)
5. Do You Remember Rock and Roll Radio?
6. I'm Affected
7. Chinese Rocks
8. I Can't Make it on Time
9. This Ain't Havana
10. Danny Says
11. Let's Go
12. All's Quiet on the Eastern Front
13. The KKK Took My Baby Away
14. You Sound Like You're Sick (background vocals by Sparks)
15. We Want the Airwaves
16. It's Not My Place in the 9 to 5 World (background vocals by Sparks)
17. She's a Sensation
18. 7-11
19. Come on Now (organ overdubs by Graham Gouldman)
20. Sitting in my Room
21. Sleeping Troubles (Pleasant Dreams out-take)
22. Touring (Pleasant Dreams out-take)
23. Outsider
24. Highest Trails Above
25. In the Park
26. Time Has Come Today
27. Timebomb
28. Everytime I Eat Vegetables it Makes Me Think of You

Disc Three:
1. Indian Giver
2. Mama's Boy
3. Warthog
4. Too Tough to Die
5. Planet Earth 1988 (Dee Dee vocal version)
6. Street Fighting Man
7. Psychotherapy (live version from Smash You Live '85 ep given away with Loud Fast Ramones)
8. Howling at the Moon (live version from Smash You Live '85 ep)
9. I Don't Wanna Go Down to the Basement (live version from Smash You Live '85 ep)
10. Somebody Put Something in My Drink
11. Go Home Ann (single b-side)
12. Bonzo Goes to Bitburg
13. Love Kills
14. I Wanna Live
15. Garden of Serenity
16. Learn to Listen
17. Don't Bust My Chops
18. Pet Cemetary
19. I Believe in Miracles (live version from Loco Live)
20. Tomorrow She Goes Away
21. Poison Heart
22. The Job That Ate My Brain
23. Take it as it Comes
24. Substitute (with Pete Townshend)
25. 7 and 7 is
26. I Don't Wanna Grow Up
27. She Talks to Rainbows
28. Born to Die in Berlin
29. R.A.M.O.N.E.S. (from last show, featuring Lemmy from Motorhead)
30. Any Way You Want it (Bonus track on Greatest Hits live, Ramones' last studio recording)
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« Reply #2 on: April 05, 2006, 01:09:53 PM »

Wow, that's almost as perfect a playlist as The Ramones' debut eponymous album.
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« Reply #3 on: April 05, 2006, 01:17:55 PM »

Anyone get that awful tribute album? The U2 version of Beat on the Brat was the worst thing I have ever heard, and I actually respected U2 when they brought up the Ramones at the MTV awards the year Joey died. They had this 10 minute tribute to Aaliyah but nothing for Joey, and Bono rectified it on the spot, only to do THAT.
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« Reply #4 on: April 05, 2006, 01:25:40 PM »

Anyone get that awful tribute album? The U2 version of Beat on the Brat was the worst thing I have ever heard, and I actually respected U2 when they brought up the Ramones at the MTV awards the year Joey died. They had this 10 minute tribute to Aaliyah but nothing for Joey, and Bono rectified it on the spot, only to do THAT.

Wasn't the last song Joey heard before he died U2's "In A Little While"?  Great lyrics:

A man dreams one day to fly
A man takes a rocketship into the skies
He lives on a star that's dying in the night
And follows in the trail
The scatter of light


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« Reply #5 on: April 05, 2006, 01:41:22 PM »

That's right. It's in Monte Melnick's book.
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« Reply #7 on: April 06, 2006, 05:46:10 AM »

I kind of like them. but I like the concept of Ramones more than the actual music. In the end the music, is a little to samey to be really funny or engaging. I like a guy like Jonathan Richman better.  Also I think it's kind of ironic, that a band that wanted to bring innocence and fun back into rock music, in a certain sense spawned a much more dogmatic and intellectualized concept of rock.

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« Reply #8 on: April 06, 2006, 06:53:12 AM »

I have their first 5 studio albums (remasters), It's Alive, and Ramones Mania (which was my introduction to the group). I gotta say, I'm big on End of the Century, which is one of those divisive albums, as I understand it. It sounds great and has some of their best songs. My favourite album is probably Rocket to Russia, though, with the album mix of Sheena is a Punk Rocker being my favourite song.
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« Reply #9 on: April 06, 2006, 07:48:25 AM »

My intro to the band was signing Ramones Mania out of a library and making a copy and then later getting all the Sire remasters plus It's Alive and Mondo Bizzaro. Rocket to Russia is also my favorite but I also really like Road to Ruin, End of the Century, Pleasant Dreams (which I think might even be less popular with some fans than End of the Century which I don't get, I find it one of their funnest albums, for me Subteranean Jungle is the weakest Sire era album. Even the great songs and covers are deadened by the lifeless production) and Too Tough to Die.
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« Reply #10 on: April 06, 2006, 02:31:35 PM »

Speaking of End Of The Century. I am hooked on "Chinese Rock" - the song, that is.
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« Reply #11 on: April 09, 2006, 01:40:07 AM »

The wonderfully titled 'The KKK Took My Baby Away' makes one wish the Ramones' had ventured into sociological commentary a little more often.

What the heck is that supposed to mean? That song's about how Johnny stole Joey's girlfriend.
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« Reply #12 on: April 09, 2006, 12:27:47 PM »

The Ramones did step into that area a few times though, in "Planet Earth 1988" and "Bonzo Goes to Bitburg."
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« Reply #13 on: April 17, 2006, 12:08:08 PM »

I loved Dee dee Ramone very much.  He split when the band went Hollywood.  Up to End of the century they were a powerhouse IMO.
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« Reply #14 on: June 08, 2006, 03:09:03 PM »

Another year, another Ramones compilation. Rhino has released another Ramones comp, this time a one cd one mainly focusing on the early years. The Ramones along with many other groups are getting compiled to death. I think a better way to do things that I think would please both hardcore fans and attract new followers is for Rhino to reissue live albums. I don't understand why It's Alive wasn't part of their Ramones reissues and why Yes didn't get reissues of Yessongs and Yesshows. Yes got a live vaults boxed set, the Ramones should have one too, one cd would be fine but one with two full length cds would be perfect. I'd also like to see a Ramones DVD release with no talking heads documentary stuff, we already know they're great you don't have to tell us, just show us. A DVD with their appearnce on Don Kershner, Musicladen Germany 1979, Old Grey Whistle Test 1985 and maybe some odds and ends all cleaned up with great sound would be an excellent release that would probably excite a lot of people.
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« Reply #15 on: June 09, 2006, 06:22:46 AM »

Speaking of End Of The Century. I am hooked on "Chinese Rock" - the song, that is.

This is one of my favorite songs of all time.  I do, however, like the first recorded version by Johnny Thunders, the ultimate punk rock icon,  much more than the Ramones version that came about 3 years give or take a few later.  The writing credit is always with Dee Dee but Johnny always claimed that he helped write it. 

For my money, the first 4 Ramones albums just can't be beat.  The original wave of punk rock without a doubt saved rock n roll. 

A sidenote, anyone that is at all intersted in the old punk scene MUST read "Please Kill Me:  The Uncensored Oral History Of Punk".  Great, sad, heartbreaking, hilarious, and disturbing stories told straight from the mouths of the people who lived them.  Read it right now if you haven't already.  I read this one at least once a year!

Any New York Dolls/Johnny Thunders Fans out there?
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