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I'm a big space nerd…

Snap! Between this and The Beach Boys, we’re 60s tragics obviously. 👍

Was quite a story on this board at the time.

http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,17563.0.html

Al bailed first post on page 8. He even had it on his site that he would be there. Further in the thread it is indicated Al was put out that the invitation to perform had come from Live Nation, not Mike, so he cancelled.

Could get messy.

Of course Jones Beach might be totally unrelated to this case.

Whoops, missed the article link. I see it now.

I do agree that they are "two different beasts" - but I feel like it can't be impossible to create something on a 'Get Back' level, at least in regards to the narrative of the documentary. I guess I liken it to how 'Love & Mercy' could've been another 'Walk the Line' but instead it was done in a style that made it stand out so beautifully from other biopics. I would love to see that attention to narrative in a documentary about The Beach Boys.

I'm a big space nerd, so I watch a lot of documentaries on the Apollo program. Two documentaries from two different eras come to mind; 'For All Mankind' (from 1989), and the recent 'Apollo 11'. 'Apollo 11' is like the 'Get Back' of space films because the creators unearthed vintage IMAX-level quality film of the Apollo 11 launch. But 'For All Mankind' uses grainy/shaky footage and is almost just as impactful because it was created in a way that shows it as art and not an extended 60 minutes informative piece (which this Beach Boys documentary seems to be).

Anywho, sorry for the rambling haha. I do agree that we need to wait and see. We could be pleasantly surprised.

I know what you mean but let’s wait and see-this could be great.  Obviously-it can’t be Get Back because that was a crazy revelatory experience using hours of footage no one suspected would ever surface….the equivalent would only occur in Beach Boys land if 12 unseen hours of the Boys working on Smile surfaced! So obviously you have to lower your expectations

If I felt like there was not enough actual Brian/Beach Boys material to listen to, I dunno, maybe I'd entertain the fake stuff. But geez, I find it hard to believe that all the people breathlessly waiting for the next fake Brian vocal have actually exhausted all of the *real* material out there.

Like, go listen to the Tampa '74 show, or Nassau '79, or "Stevie", or whatever.

I think one of my main issues with the AI stuff is that, in BB "fandom", there are already 87 things that end up being a big clusterf**k of divisive arguing, where some people just "don't get it." Remixes vs original. Autotune arguments. BB politics. The list goes on and on. I'm just over adding another thing to that list.

I feel like the people making this AI stuff don't "get it"; I acknowledge others disagree. And yes, when it's done with very specific purpose in trying to recreate something that could have or should have actually existed (BBs singing on "Look", or whatever) versus "fanfic" music (1965 Brian sings "Orange Crate Art", etc.), I guess that's less egregious on some level.

But there's a point where it's less about the actual new AI thing being created, and more just kind of a weird sense of disappointment that more fans don't "get" why, well, it's kinda missing the point to generate and listen to HOURS of FAKE MUSIC. I don't know how else to say it.

It's like having a loving family and cheating on them with a holographic one. Like, why are you doing it? And, more importantly, what could possibly give you the same enjoyment or feeling as the real thing?

I assume people aren't turning to fake AI music because they've "fallen out of love" with the real stuff. Right?

Yes, some people see it as an interesting little experimental curio. But I think people breathlessly searching out the entire catalog of someone's fake AI stuff in high-rez to catalog it thoroughly certainly seem to be taking it far more seriously than just an interesting quick curio.

Dae Lims says periodically on his live streams that his AI tracks exist as lossless and are "out there."

I would like to know where "out there" is. If somebody knows, I'd appreciated a DM.

https://archive.org/details/dae-lims-archive

Excuse my naivete, but these appear to be lossless versions of his YT videos, not necessarily lossless versions of the actual tracks he produced. Are those not "out there"?

Seriously? This is about the Jones Beach dustup 10 years ago? How can you tell?

The article mentions it pertains to a show where they tried to get Al to appear with Mike and David Marks. The only time we know of since the reunion tour (other than that Ella Awards gig) where they tried to get Al to appear with Mike and David was at that Jones Beach 2014 gig.

I'm curious what the statute of limitations is on such actions. It had been over nine years as of when that video was supposedly shot.

From what I've heard about the Jones Beach debacle, I don't know that the guy bringing this suit would have much success.

Separately, as I'm sure someone explained to Al if he didn't already know, you can't evade a process server by just not agreeing to take the papers.

Not gonna lie…it’s incredibly hard for me to see Brian like this. I know it happens to us all but that doesn’t make it any easier .

During my year long hiatus from the board, I experienced a number of personal setbacks , most of which I don’t care to go into publicly. One I will,  however, is the loss of my Aunt Dee, who raised me from childhood.  I barely knew my birth mother but Aunt Dee was my mother in every other way. She passed away just shy of turning 96 last March , and suffered from dementia the last few years of her life. I wouldn’t wish that on *anybody* , and to see one of my heroes in life currently dealing with this is harder on me than I can express.

Hey Billy, very sorry for your loss, and I definitely feel what you're saying. Dementia is terrifyingly cruel, and it is absolutely hard to see loved ones go through that. I also wonder how Brian's other mental issues will affect him during a dementia "decline". But I'm happy knowing that he will be given the best care during these years, and I'm also so happy to see loved ones surrounding him.

Thank you, Juggler, for updating us with the Lakers post and Carnie's post. Really makes me happy that even through the worst hardship, Brian is still singing and enjoying life.

Seriously? This is about the Jones Beach dustup 10 years ago? How can you tell?