Once last word before I bid you all farewell.
Craig, you are the most overbearing, blowhard, bellend I have ever come across.
Debbie, Brian dumped your saggy ass decades ago- move on.
Rab, NPP is still a big steaming pile of dogshit.
Billy, have fun in your sheltered accomodation, loser.

See you all under my next alias
MB.

Someone was gonna say it: "thank f*** he didn't mention me!"

Last post, because I never expected this to go on for so long, I just had a quick pointer I thought Id make, and hey Im willing to admit fault, perhaps it would have been better to send it in a private message. If its embarrassing to be called out in public I apologize but I didnt think it would come off that way. But seriously, can you not see how lame this looks? A member, very politely, points out a few issues some may have (and do, quite frankly) with the way you come off. Rather than take the advice, or at least even making a show of being appreciative but then going on your way, or asking the board how they feel...you get very defensive and now accusatory. Over something that wasnt intended as, and didnt need to be, a big deal. And this is ironically what the issue was in the first place. You basically just proved DrBB's criticisms had merit in this thread.

Anyway, maybe Ill go back to lurking and leave you to your business. I personally dont care what you do I just meant to help you out.

Im not sure what youre going for, but whatever it is, have fun. I spoke my peace and was trying to politely point out something you might try doing to quell the concerns other posters have. Its your decision whether to listen or not. Its things like this, disagreements or friendly criticisms turning into annoying back and forth or in this case, I dont even know what, which is why I usually dont post in the first place. Again, thats not to pin everything on you, but its worth noting that as a mod you are an authority figure and your behavior sets an example for others to follow.

No one else is a mod tho.

Not sure what you mean by "step up" but I think youd do yourself a lot of favors if you maybe just explained your side of the story (whatever that is) ONCE in a big comprehensive post and then maybe just refered people there, to that URL, anytime you see them misinformed. And debate with anyone who spreads misinformation to that thread to discuss it. But repeatedly going after people in threads, dismissing all criticisms with "you wanna step up?"/"well how do you think the board should be run, are we gonna ban people for XYZ" type personal challenges or throwing responsibility for decision making unto the posters, making it an all or nothing 'either we do nothing or bad everyone' dichotomy just doesnt help the situation and isnt the decorum a mod ought to have. Your aggressive reactions in situations like this very thread to pretty mild criticisms/suggestions is proof that youre a little too thin skinned and quick to attack for many people's liking as a mod. Im friends with a few people who post here outside the board who've said the same to me in confidence. Im not saying all this to be mean, its just an appeal to you for your own sake to maybe relax a little bit. I think itd be good for you personally and the board as a whole.

A little honesty would be a nice gesture too. In recent months you posted "you are all a bunch of idiots" after Andrew was banned. Prior to that you did indeed publicly call for me to step down as a mod, then later apologized to me for being a part of all the stuff that went down related to that. At no point did I ever disrespect you nor do anything outside normal discussions which would have made you so concerned about what I did or didn't do, in fact I was someone who reached out to you off the board because I dug a lot of what you were saying and didn't like to see what was going down.

And I already have repeatedly explained my side of the story, which is the same version Billy, Klaas, and Charles have been telling since December and earlier, yet it continues to fall on deaf ears and have absolutely no effect on those trying to accuse me of whatever they think I'm to blame for doing or not doing. I've done exactly what you suggested and nothing I have said, or at this point nothing Billy or the other mods/admins have said, has had any effect at all on those out to blame me for the problems on this forum.

Yes, I did. It was half a joke, and half "outsider gives a reality check." If it actually hurt yours or anyone elses feelings Im truly sorry. I just thought the whole situation was ridiculous and felt someone ought to say so in a brutally honest humorous way.

Ive never said I wanted you to step down. Not sure where thats coming from. Or what you mean saying you reached out to me. We've never conversed, and I only started posting here a bit ago, and only do so infrequently. I have little to add most of the time, and frankly the way some threads go Id rather not get involved much of the time.

If thats so, why not just direct people to the posts where you earlier discussed it then? Maybe have that in your signature? Just constantly going down in the muck tho isnt becoming of a mod. It makes you look like a scrapper when a mod ought to be neutral and above that kinda thing.

I never said youre to blame for the state of things. But I know personally I do take issue with a few of your methods, as do others. Im just giving you a bit of advice what you could do to improve the perception you carry here. Emily and Dr BB have done likewise. You could either listen and learn or get defensive, make post after post arguing about it, and ironically proving the legitimacy of said criticisms. Id hope youd choose the former but I guess not.

No one else is a mod tho.

Not sure what you mean by "step up" but I think youd do yourself a lot of favors if you maybe just explained your side of the story (whatever that is) ONCE in a big comprehensive post and then maybe just refered people there, to that URL, anytime you see them misinformed. And debate with anyone who spreads misinformation to that thread to discuss it. But repeatedly going after people in threads, dismissing all criticisms with "you wanna step up?"/"well how do you think the board should be run, are we gonna ban people for XYZ" type personal challenges or throwing responsibility for decision making unto the posters, making it an all or nothing 'either we do nothing or bad everyone' dichotomy just doesnt help the situation and isnt the decorum a mod ought to have. Your aggressive reactions in situations like this very thread to pretty mild criticisms/suggestions is proof that youre a little too thin skinned and quick to attack for many people's liking as a mod. Im friends with a few people who post here outside the board who've said the same to me in confidence. Im not saying all this to be mean, its just an appeal to you for your own sake to maybe relax a little bit. I think itd be good for you personally and the board as a whole.

Well all of it, really...all of it should go here, and probably should have in the first place, but can't change that now. And speaking strictly for myself, it's not that it became a major issue when you were accused, it's more of a 'oh God, not this again'. Frankly speaking, some of the posts also made it seem like I'm not doing anything, or that I have no say in anything (which is bullshit), and I got tired of seeing that, too. So yeah, all of it can go here, and I'll be pleased as punch if it never shows up in any other thread again.

Just my two cents.

Billy, it got restarted in there by Craig, not any of us. He had to answer for his buddy Debbie, instead of letting her answer for herself. Then she had to defend him from the Conspirators. No one brought that up but Craig. I'm sorry Billy, but Craig doesn't take criticism very well, whether for his personal views or those of being a mod. The biggest difference between the two of you is that, Billy, you know when you have to take a neutral stance when you do your moderating duties, where Craig will take sides and fight. I will tell you, this is why some folks think he is biased towards some posters and unbiased with others. He is too polarizing a figure to have everybody on board with him moderating. As you can see, I am not the only one bringing this stuff up. People who rarely ever say anything, are having issues with his moderating. When feuds break out, no matter your personal preference a moderator needs to step in to get things under control, not jump into the fray. Folks see that and question what is going on. It may all be a perception problem, but if it lingers, it will continue to be a problem that won't go away easily.

Longtime lurker, extremely infrequent poster. Just had to say, while it may not be popular to say it out loud, I agree with you Dr BeachBoy and it took guts to say it, though Im sure you'll get flak for doing so.

GF, you seem like a nice guy overall, so I dont want this to sound like bullying, personal attacks or ganging up on you. But I think you do tend to take things too personally and fan the flames rather than put them out when a mod ought to do the latter. If you were more willing to take criticisms, listen, not come down hard against those you disagree with and stay out of the petty feuds I think you and other posters would be much happier. And no offense, but the way you just responded to Dr Beach Boy just now kinda proves that point. I know my opinion around here means jack squat but...I digress.

Now *this* is the part of moderating a board, any board, that sucks.

Do you want to tell them or should I explain it instead?

I dont think I said anything mean spirited, out of line, or unwarranted in my post. I didnt even call for you to step down or call you a bad mod. I merely pointed out some issues Ive had and others too, with your style of moderation I think could be improved. And since any criticism of the mods here is usually shot down regardless of what it is, I thought DrBB deserved a fist bump for at least having the balls to say it and stick to his guns when others give him a hard time for it. I think youd do well to listen to constructive criticisms more than just get defensive and angry with people. Thats so of all people of all jobs and walks of life.

Well all of it, really...all of it should go here, and probably should have in the first place, but can't change that now. And speaking strictly for myself, it's not that it became a major issue when you were accused, it's more of a 'oh God, not this again'. Frankly speaking, some of the posts also made it seem like I'm not doing anything, or that I have no say in anything (which is bullshit), and I got tired of seeing that, too. So yeah, all of it can go here, and I'll be pleased as punch if it never shows up in any other thread again.

Just my two cents.

Billy, it got restarted in there by Craig, not any of us. He had to answer for his buddy Debbie, instead of letting her answer for herself. Then she had to defend him from the Conspirators. No one brought that up but Craig. I'm sorry Billy, but Craig doesn't take criticism very well, whether for his personal views or those of being a mod. The biggest difference between the two of you is that, Billy, you know when you have to take a neutral stance when you do your moderating duties, where Craig will take sides and fight. I will tell you, this is why some folks think he is biased towards some posters and unbiased with others. He is too polarizing a figure to have everybody on board with him moderating. As you can see, I am not the only one bringing this stuff up. People who rarely ever say anything, are having issues with his moderating. When feuds break out, no matter your personal preference a moderator needs to step in to get things under control, not jump into the fray. Folks see that and question what is going on. It may all be a perception problem, but if it lingers, it will continue to be a problem that won't go away easily.

Longtime lurker, extremely infrequent poster. Just had to say, while it may not be popular to say it out loud, I agree with you Dr BeachBoy and it took guts to say it, though Im sure you'll get flak for doing so.

GF, you seem like a nice guy overall, so I dont want this to sound like bullying, personal attacks or ganging up on you. But I think you do tend to take things too personally and fan the flames rather than put them out when a mod ought to do the latter. If you were more willing to take criticisms, listen, not come down hard against those you disagree with and stay out of the petty feuds I think you and other posters would be much happier. And no offense, but the way you just responded to Dr Beach Boy just now kinda proves that point. I know my opinion around here means jack squat but...I digress.

Not bad. A few parts where its kinda forced, but overall I enjoyed it.

Man...reading through this thread, youre all a bunch of idiots. Stick a knife in it, this board is done.

Thats whats so interesting, both parties have been hijacked by outsiders to great success--the difference is Trump has done so more thoroughly and has a chance to win. People are so sick of the same old, same old in Washington, things not getting better under either party and lying two faced politicians selling out like Clinton and the Bush family. If Trump won enough primaries to win and was denied the nomination I think we would see a full scale rejection of the GOP. I really think that would split or even kill the party, it would basically be the establishment outright saying "your votes dont matter" and revealing what many suspect: that democracy, at least on the federal level, is a hoax. Plus Trump has the resources to run independently, and I think hed do it just to stick it to them and hand the election over to the Dems as a big f*** you.

Its an interesting election if nothing else, thats for sure. We're definitely witnessing history--I think win or lose Trump has changed the way campaigns are run, and his methods will be studied and emulated for many years after this

For the record, I never said if I liked or hated Trump, and I certainly never said I wanted Hillary. Cards on the table, Id have preferred Bernie. Im on the fence about Trump. I think hed be a great negotiator for other countries and agree we have an illegal immigration problem. Im sick of being called a racist and seeing him called one too for bringing that up. He never said anything against Hispanics, just illegal immigrants, and Ive literally seen people take this so out of context to say "OMG Hes declaring WAR on ALL Hispanics!!!1!!1!" I do think the idea of building a wall is kind of stupid tho. But he also seems to be far more liberal than his enemies give him credit for. Hes not against abortion and supports universal healthcare for one. Hed be better than any of the other GOP candidates, not that thats saying much, and Id personally rather take a chance on him than 4 more years of the same with Hillary.

Like I said, Id have preferred Bernie, but if he wont win then Id be down to take a chance on another outsider with some liberal leanings who DOESNT buy into this safe space, everything's racist/sexist PC bullshit

Yes, and that was due to Trump dominating him at every debate, drilling the phrase "low energy" into him so hard he ought to have it tattooed on his forehead, and showing him up for the putz he always was. Nobody wanted another Bush and it was viscerally satisfying to watch Trump eviscerate him whether you like Trump or not. I think there IS a clear theme here, that people are sick of the same business as usual, gridlocked, phony, bought and paid for politicians. Thats why an independent who styles himself a Socialist and an outsider like Trump are doing so much better than anyone thought. Unfortunately, Bernie's campaign was sort of stonewalled by media blackout and his own lack of charisma. This was offset by people liking his policies, his passion and genuineness but not enough to get him the nomination Im predicting. Trump is a genius, whether you like him or not. The way he has run his campaign has been totally masterful and there will be books written about it, analyzing it, for decades after this. He has completely dominated the media, controlled the narrative at times (skipping the debate and making it irrelevant in the process for example), and demolished any candidates or moderators who tried to stop him. While I agree with Megan Kelly's points against him, she even got a new more masculine haircut after he called her a bimbo, for example. And Jeb started the attacks against the two in the first debate, he just had no idea what he was unleashing. After that, many were reluctant to criticize Trump in the debates or suffer the same.

I urge everyone to read Scott Adams blog. Its not amazing, but hes a trained hypnotist who knows about the art of persuasion and how people can be manipulated on a subconscious level. He's been analyzing Trump's moves from day one, from an objective standpoint--he doesnt support the policies so its not blind fanboyism. I dislike most of his policies too, and would have wanted Bernie, but on an objective level Im fascinated by what Trump has done and since it seems inevitable to me at this point, Ive resigned myself to enjoy the show. Anyway, think what you want about him, but hes not beholden to anyone and is doing a great job reforming the long irrelevant, often embarassing Republican party. What won me over to start studying him rather than call him a joke was how he skipped the last debate and stuck it to Fox. That, and he's run a great campaign, one of the most effective Ive seen in my life time if not the most.

2003 live CD ? I missed that one...

Total brainfart. Meant to say live act and CD

I can't say I'm shocked. They're looking for good ol' boys and they're gonna get 'em. I smell a Cruz v. Hillary in 2016. Gods help us.

Trump's gonna be our next president. Im calling it now. Not that Im happy about it. Anyway, one minor loss wont stop him. Iowa was one of the few states he was expected to lose. Hell win NH and keep going strong

Someone really needs to update/expand LLVS as a digital (searchable) archive, sortable by either publication date or date of interview.

Somebody needs to put together a big scrap book style coffee table book(possibly multi volume?) of nothing but 1966-67 era Smile related articles, from the earliest known "Dumb Angel" reference, and ending somewhere around the Smiley Smile period.

Thats essentially what LLVS is tho. I completely agree that an online edition, possibly with new stuff from the 2003 live CD and boxset releases too, like the book that comes in the latter, ought to be compiled. It should be organized chronologically and with note to who authored each, and yeah a search feature would be nice so we could easily check facts and judge worth and reliability of each individual source. As is, trying to find specific facts like this is a mess and way harder than it ought to be.

Thanks for all the replied, everyone.

Solar System. Beautiful catchy tune

It seems everyone thought he was a joke until fairly recently and now today he might be poised to begin a victory lap to the nomination. Whether you love him or not, its quite interesting to see an outsider basically single-handedly take over a party.

5/5

Im curious who voted 1...

5/5

I prefer 67, not because of the cliche Summer of Love but because of all the amazing bands that appeared that year.

It was ok. I saw it, was entertained but have no desire to see it again

Exactly when did Brian Wilson change the name from Dumb Angel to Smile? Can anyone give an exact date, or at the very least a range or something? Were there any contemporaneous statements in the press by he or Capitol referring to "Dumb Angel" specifically, and if not, does anyone know when and how this factoid came to be known? Thanks