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5776  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Relationship between Brian and Carl on: September 10, 2009, 06:57:42 PM
I think the real rift came from Landy in the 80s. Landy knew to truly get control over Brian he needed to drive a wedge between the brothers, and he succeeded.

Yes, that's true.

Also, I think the conservatorship issue in the early 90's really hurt both of them. I mean, poor Carl. First, he was the main person who was responsible for contacting Landy the second time in 1982, then, after seeing the damage that was being done, had to be the main one to drive Landy away. Any kind of conservatorship hearing can get ugly, but it must've been heartbreaking - for both Carl and Brian - to have your brother trying to have you declared incompetent in taking care of yourself. Carl did it because he loved his brother, but, obviously, it had to be devastating to Brian.
You mentioned something I've never really thought about untill now. Carl was the one who contacted Landy the second time around.Imagine how Carl must have felt around five years or so later. Landy destroyed Brian in ways he's(Brian) never been able to recover from. Carl was responsible for that. Of course, that's not what I believe. I'm speaking from Carl's point of view.
5777  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Relationship between Brian and Carl on: September 09, 2009, 10:09:44 PM
There is also that 1978 concert where Carl directed the sound guys to turn Brian's mic off....through the microphone. So everybody, including the audience, heard it. That would have pissed me off.
5778  Smiley Smile Stuff / 1970's Beach Boys Albums / Re: The M.I.U. Album on: September 09, 2009, 09:10:28 PM
Take out Rhythm and Belles of Paris, and replace them with Lookin' Down The Coast, and Country Pie, and you've got a solid three star album. Add Everybody Wants To Live, and you've got a cult classic. Tomboy is still somewhat creepy, but Brian and Carl save it. Thank God they took out the "shave your legs" lyric. Anyway, as it stands the album is a somewhat doubious two and a half stars.
5779  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Uncredited songwriters? on: September 09, 2009, 08:13:42 PM
It would be hilarious if he started arguing with AGD, not knowing who he is.  LOL I made that mistake once.
5780  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Do you have a fave Beatles album? on: September 09, 2009, 07:52:22 PM
Mine is Beatles For Sale. Or maybe Rubber Soul. Or Revolver. Or the "white album". Or Abbey Road.  Grin
5781  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Uncredited songwriters? on: September 09, 2009, 07:45:28 PM
Well... fer one thing the American Band video hails from 1985, and isn't out of print at all... as for the claims that Carl & Denny sold their songs to the Springfield...  Grin
I dare you to message the guy and tell him he's full of sh*t.  Grin
5782  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: BEACH BOYS ARCHIVE INCLUDES 1972 CARNEGIE HALL TAPES on: September 09, 2009, 07:39:17 PM
Alan Boyd and producer/engineer Mark Linett -- has recently collected all of the known elements of the band's unfinished 1967 album Smile...

Hmm.  What's this unfinished 1967 SMiLE album all about?


Sounds kind of interesting...





...anyone else hear about this?

 3D

Easy. Take our Masonic code book. You know: the one. That no one outside knows. Open it. Choose only the pages that carry prime numbers. Take only the lines on those pages that correspond with the Fibonacci series: 0, 1, 1, 2, 3, 5... you know the score. Now, take every odd letter in those lines. Make a string of all the letters you will find in the Secret Book in this way, spaces are defined by 'ii'. Memorize the appearing message very carefully. Ring the Secret Number. You will get an answering machine. Speak the message after the bleep, very carefully articulated.  You will be called back. Mr. Billy Castillo will tell you the details of a certain bank safe locker, and how get the safe opened by an employee, who will respond only to a secret word. If you do that wrong, said employee will shoot you. If you do it right, he will open the safe and hand the whole SMiLE story over to you, in three book volumes spanning 5,000 pages. They will self-destuct after two hours, having been exposed to open air is the irreversible route to their disintegration. The case in the locker also contains 10 precious acetates. These even have a shorter lifespan after the opening procedure, namely 30 minutes. It is up to you to bring them to the Steve Hoffmann Mastering Labs.

Good Luck!
How long did it take you to think all of that up?  Grin
5783  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: \ on: September 08, 2009, 08:50:19 PM
I've always wondered just how much of the raw tape(s) was "fixed". Going by AGD's website, it seems like this and the July 4th 1980 show were heavily worked on. On the July 4th video, it's rather obvious that the drums have been overdubbed. That's why they're so loud.
5784  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: \ on: September 08, 2009, 07:34:44 PM
On film though?
5785  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: \ on: September 08, 2009, 07:31:00 PM
Here's "Good Timin'" from Knebworth, Brian's mistake is at 1:47

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIr5BsQXJFI&feature=channel_page
I've always wondered, does the complete show exist on film, or is it just that one song?
HuhHuh??
Yeah, that was a VERY poorly worded sentence, wasn't it? I meant, does the complete unedited show exist  in the hands of collectors? Or was it just that one song that has circulated as an "outtake" of the dvd?
5786  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: \ on: September 08, 2009, 07:05:21 PM
Here's "Good Timin'" from Knebworth, Brian's mistake is at 1:47

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIr5BsQXJFI&feature=channel_page
I've always wondered, does the complete show exist on film, or is it just that one song?
5787  Smiley Smile Stuff / The Beach Boys Media / Re: The Official BB You Tube Thread on: September 07, 2009, 07:12:12 PM
I figured I'd shamelessly promote the video I posted. Afro

I tried to make it funny on top of being a song that isn't elsewhere on Youtube I don't think.   American Spring if you're wondering what it is.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XLJHBG41Cg
Finally! Thank you!! I've been waiting for somebody to put up that song. I've said it before and I'll say it again: I LOVE that part where the music builds up to the "Arise" lyric. It gives me goosebumps every time.
5788  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Check THIS Out... on: September 07, 2009, 07:05:44 PM
I guess I just don't understand why there is this desire to turn Brian into a touring artist at, of all ages, when he's in his 50s/60s? He never was a fan of touring, even when he was in his 20s, and he wasn't touring when he recorded "California Girls" or Pet Sounds, so what's the point? Especially when touring seems to take so much out of him and constantly terrify him, even after doing it constantly for a decade! I understand that people say that it keeps him occupied, so that he's not just sitting on his couch watching TV Land and eating steak, but are there really no other ways to keep the man occupied?  It's either touring or he does nothing? That sounds silly to me, for some reason. As for needing the touring to the support the BW band, these guys somehow made it before BW, and I'm sure would be more than willing to help Brian record a solo album whether they toured with him or not. Think about it. If Brian asked you to help him record, would you say no? Most of those guys are at least as big of fans as us.

I think the touring happens for a lot of silly reasons.  Maybe Melinda likes traveling? Maybe the band likes playing for bigger crowds through the BW name? We're told that it's (partially) because Brian needs to see all of the love out there for him, but yet when he does an autograph session with fans, he always looks like he wants to be anywhere else in the world. I think touring Pet Sounds and SMiLE was a good idea, it did seem to have recuperative effects for Brian, but past that, enough is enough.

I wonder what would happen if Brian suddenly woke up one morning and said "I'm done being Brian Wilson"? I mean, HE is the musician here. Are his band members going to sue him? Would his own wife sue him? It just boggles my mind how Brian could be left out of any type of decision making, when HE is the one who does the singing and recording. HE is the one who is at the center of it all. His band members are the employees, and Brian is their boss. Not the other way around.
5789  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: \ on: September 07, 2009, 06:45:42 PM
I can't quite say for sure, but I've heard the Good Timin for Knebworth and Brian messes up, slightly but noticeably, on the first chorus and although there is a lot of overdubbing on the album/DVD, I'm pretty sure all of the lead vocals are completely live. In fact I'm damn sure of that, as I remember Boyd or Linnett saying it on this site. So I think they didn't include it because Brian messed up.
What did Brian mess up? I've heard the version, and I don't remember any mistakes in it.
5790  Smiley Smile Stuff / The Beach Boys Media / Re: The Official BB You Tube Thread on: September 05, 2009, 06:55:43 PM
Jay what video are you reffering to?

That's weird....I guess I forgot to post the URL.  Grin Let's try it again: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neZaQInFTaw&feature=related
5791  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Check THIS Out... on: September 05, 2009, 06:51:57 PM
And who says he doesn't dance anymore? Check out the 30-second mark for some trademarked BW moves.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tkkdWCsBEA&NR=1
This is slightly off topic, but Taylor Mills is a real hoot.  LOL
5792  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Check THIS Out... on: September 05, 2009, 06:49:47 PM
Mr Roach, thanks for that bit of info. I hope you aren't too offended that I posted your film in this topic. Although it might be a little late for that.  Embarrassed I wonder, do you remember how much film you shot at that, or other concerts from that period? Would it be enough to say, compile a nice little box set?  Wink

Strange to have to say, but I'm pretty certain I didn't shoot this!  I could be wrong; a lot of my 3/4" videos disappeared under nefarious circumstances, when there was a certain shady road manager.  I've come across bootleg versions of entire shows that I shot - usually in much better quality than this piece, though (ahem).  But I don't recall Brian 'rocking out' for too many songs that night, and think I was shooting those stills I mentioned at that same time.  (The shots are b&w in David's book, but they are these vibrant color slides!)
Most of what I have, that I own, is 16mm silent film.  Except for some sync sound things, like The River Song.  However, to clear music licenses for something like you propose is beyond me...  It seems to be beyond most mortals...


Then just put out the silent versions...with today's technology, most of us could sync up sound from live concert recordings in our...ahem...collections...for the sole purpose of our individual entertainment in the privacy of our own homes... Smokin
A-f#cking-men.  Grin
5793  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Check THIS Out... on: September 05, 2009, 06:46:29 PM
This thread begs an interesting question...what will be Brian's onstage role in any "50 Year Anniversary" concert or tour?  He can't sit at an unplayed keyboard and sing lead on songs like "California Girls" as he does now, since Mike will be singing that, and it would look kinda dumb for him to be just sitting there not playing OR singing.  Will he play the piano nonstop and rarely sing as he did in 1980?  Will he play the bass and/or dance like he did in 1978, 1983 and the "Surfin' U.S.A." clip from 2009?  Just wondering.
If he's given a bass, do you think he can "actively" play it, as long as he doesn't sing? I think that the belief is that Brian can no longer concentrate on two things at once(singing and playing). What I'm really interested in is whether Brian will "come out", so to speak, if he shares the stage with Al and Mike.
5794  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: BEACH BOYS ARCHIVE INCLUDES 1972 CARNEGIE HALL TAPES on: September 04, 2009, 11:35:17 PM
I saw that "You Need A Mess Of Help(To Stand Alone)" is one of the songs mentioned. I believe that not to many live versions of that are around.
5795  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Check THIS Out... on: September 04, 2009, 11:32:44 PM
Funny thing is, I can testify that there was no cocaine involved here.  Trust me, even Dennis had sense enough not to spoil a beautiful time like this in Hawaii with a that damn drug; not  in '78, when he was still capable of making some wise moves.  (I say this 'cause you can check out some stills of mine from that show in David Leaf's book, bottom of pg. 187.)  Now Maui Wowie, maybe.....
Mr Roach, thanks for that bit of info. I hope you aren't too offended that I posted your film in this topic. Although it might be a little late for that.  Embarrassed I wonder, do you remember how much film you shot at that, or other concerts from that period? Would it be enough to say, compile a nice little box set?  Wink
5796  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Check THIS Out... on: September 04, 2009, 11:27:46 PM
Nobody's advocating or desiring an overweight, drug addicted, poor-dancing Brian. That's not even close to the point of people comparing the past and present Brian.

It's all about energy - comparing a Brian who was active on stage, showing some kind of life, actually PLAYING music, as opposed to a sedentary, robotic, karaoke-like figure. I mean, jeesh, it's just comparing the two videos, the images....
You nailed it. Look at him in the first few seconds of that clip. Right before he does the weird "round and around" motion, he's dancing and hopping away. Enjoying himself, and the uptempo song he's playing with his group. THAT is the Brian I want to see now. Not the guy who sits still in front of an unplugged keyboard, periodically looking at his watch.
5797  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Check THIS Out... on: September 04, 2009, 08:04:09 PM
Compare this video to the 1978 one. I'd much rather have a 1978 Brian than this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neZaQInFTaw&feature=related
5798  Smiley Smile Stuff / The Beach Boys Media / Re: The Official BB You Tube Thread on: September 04, 2009, 07:39:24 PM
This video is interesting. Brian, Jeff, AND Darian all notice the camera in the audience.
5799  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: BW BB Piano sound on: September 04, 2009, 07:15:21 PM
Simple.  Brian had a piano in his house that was out of tune.  I believe the story goes that he told the piano tuner exactly how he wanted it tuned, and this was the end result.  I believe the brand of the piano is a Chickering (sp?).

What I found particularly fascinating is a boot featuring a reel-to-reel tape recorded by the Wilson brothers as kids... this is the tape with the Surfin' demos and such.  The piano featured on this tape is out of tune in nearly the same fashion as Brian's circa 1967 piano.  Perhaps this is the sound that Brian grew up with, and he purposely sought to replicate it.
i'm not so sure that it's just an out of tune piano. Listen to the piano on "Let The Wind Blow". It's a real distinct, "thick" sound. It has a big echo, to the point where it almost vibrates through the whole piano. I have never heard any other musician or group that has that certain piano sound. It's one of the reasons why I love the studio work of The Beach Boys.
5800  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: BEACH BOYS ARCHIVE INCLUDES 1972 CARNEGIE HALL TAPES on: September 04, 2009, 06:58:11 PM
This is the best thing I've heard/read all year.Grin Let's hope we get BOTH shows on cd, as well as on dvd. I'd also like to have BOTH of the Maryland 1977 pro-shot films. A 30 disc box set of the complete 1966-67 Smile tapes would be great, too.  Grin Let's hope they don't f*** it up and only release it on iTunes, or even worse, mp3.
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