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1  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Lifetime ban on AGD on: April 28, 2016, 11:01:51 AM
You reopened the can of worms, Billy. As long this stays open it will continue to haunt you. At least it was calm in here after you closed it. Did the Hoffman people put pressure on Chuck to reopen this up?

They held my cat at gunpoint until I conceded.
Just amazing that two Beach Boys' threads get closed down there, while this on reopens and all over AGD's banning, all on the same day. I cannot get over how badly this whole thing has been handled. I am thinking that either a lack of Common Sense or your cat being held at gunpoint would cause/allow a mess like this to happen. Betting the pussycat handled his problem like a good pussycat would.

Two? What was the other one?
2  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Lifetime ban on AGD on: April 28, 2016, 08:57:40 AM
it's clearly full of all the rejects from this board - the racists, the misogynists, the cyber-stalkers - they're all there if you miss them so much.

I don't qualify for any of the above, so I think an apology is in order. Mods?

Yeah, I won't be apologizing over that comment.  I didn't reference you personally, nor did I say the entire board was made up of such people.  But I'm seeing the banned creeps all there, now that someone tipped me off to look.  If you're there too, congratulations.  Have fun.



Well, you can grow a pair and apologise to me, then.

Being female, I don't especially care to grow a pair.  If you took my comment personally, I have no idea why.  Please explain?  If there was a direct insult, of course, I'll apologize.  Unless you're one of the guys I mentioned, how were you personally insulted?

By implication. Don't be disingenuous.

I get that you won't apologise; that you've been hurt by some of the others - but not by me.

With all due respect, aren't  you being a little thin skinned?

Nah, not really.
3  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Lifetime ban on AGD on: April 28, 2016, 02:35:53 AM
it's clearly full of all the rejects from this board - the racists, the misogynists, the cyber-stalkers - they're all there if you miss them so much.

I don't qualify for any of the above, so I think an apology is in order. Mods?

Yeah, I won't be apologizing over that comment.  I didn't reference you personally, nor did I say the entire board was made up of such people.  But I'm seeing the banned creeps all there, now that someone tipped me off to look.  If you're there too, congratulations.  Have fun.

Well, you can grow a pair and apologise to me, then.

Being female, I don't especially care to grow a pair.  If you took my comment personally, I have no idea why.  Please explain?  If there was a direct insult, of course, I'll apologize.  Unless you're one of the guys I mentioned, how were you personally insulted?

By implication. Don't be disingenuous.

I get that you won't apologise; that you've been hurt by some of the others - but not by me.
4  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Lifetime ban on AGD on: April 27, 2016, 02:21:36 PM
Thanks, Billy. As ever, I appreciate it.
5  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Lifetime ban on AGD on: April 27, 2016, 02:19:29 PM
it's clearly full of all the rejects from this board - the racists, the misogynists, the cyber-stalkers - they're all there if you miss them so much.

I don't qualify for any of the above, so I think an apology is in order. Mods?

Yeah, I won't be apologizing over that comment.  I didn't reference you personally, nor did I say the entire board was made up of such people.  But I'm seeing the banned creeps all there, now that someone tipped me off to look.  If you're there too, congratulations.  Have fun.

Well, you can grow a pair and apologise to me, then.
6  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Lifetime ban on AGD on: April 27, 2016, 02:12:45 PM
it's clearly full of all the rejects from this board - the racists, the misogynists, the cyber-stalkers - they're all there if you miss them so much.

I don't qualify for any of the above, so I think an apology is in order. Mods?
7  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: Too Much of a Good Thing? on: April 27, 2016, 09:42:50 AM
Now that you've made me think about it: I have loads of Springsteen (up until Tom Joad, anyhow), Jackson Browne and The Eagles. The Best of the Eagles still gets a workout, but their full albums do nothing for me any more. I hardly ever play Browne and while I love The Pretender, a lot of his stuff is hot and miss for me. I've actually given my latter day Springsteen away and while he hasn't been played lately, I'd find it very difficult to part with anything between and including Born to Run and Tunnel of Love. John Hiatt's another. I have loads of his albums; in fact I had them all at one point, but I just haven't found them interesting after Master of Disaster and haven't really played the stuff I do like in some time.
8  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: The \ on: April 26, 2016, 08:38:16 AM
9  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Would Guess Iím Dumb have been a BB song if Glen had stayed in the band? on: April 26, 2016, 08:33:18 AM
I love Guess I'm Dumb and I love Glen's voice. I think the song is one of the best things he did, but like the poster above, I would hate to have been denied Galveston, Wichita Lineman and The Moon's a Harsh Mistress, to name but three. Anyone get that late album of Glen's that reimagines some of his finest songs. Hege messy misfire, What a mess they make of Glaveston. Now, if you dig out Glen and The Stone Temple Pilots doing Wichita Lineman... that's the real deal. I saw him on his last tour and blubbed my way through most of the second half.
10  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Billy Paul RIP on: April 25, 2016, 11:41:34 AM
What a voice - and what a long, rich career. Had no idea he was once on the same bill as Charlie Parker!

RIP http://fridaynightboys300.blogspot.co.uk/2016/04/billy-paul-rip.html
11  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Zeppo Wilson: The Beach Boy Time Forgot on: April 24, 2016, 01:33:38 AM
here is my copy of the ultra rare Zeppo Wilson 45.  Not many of these around. 


I had the picture disc. Damned if I know what I did with it. Maybe I left it in the pocket of my other suit. No! This is my other suit.
12  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Zeppo Wilson: The Beach Boy Time Forgot on: April 24, 2016, 01:31:39 AM
I miss Mikie & AGD.

Here, here.
13  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: RIP Prince on: April 21, 2016, 11:35:24 PM
A huge talent. RIP:

http://fridaynightboys300.blogspot.co.uk/2016/04/prince-rip.html
14  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Lifetime ban on AGD on: April 21, 2016, 11:12:20 PM
Close it and let's have some Mike v Brian threads...
15  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Lifetime ban on AGD on: April 21, 2016, 11:43:30 AM
Hmmm. Just occurred to me that at least one of those people who received one of THE emails has a habit of sending his/her own to people he disagrees with. No nasty gossip, just a desperate attempt to be smart-mouthed. Like I said earlier, I just presumed the guy is a dick and let it be
If you don't mind me asking, how bad? If it's out of hand, let's talk about this privately.

No, not out of hand. Had it been, I would've contacted you. I just ignored it.

Oh, and that should have come with a thanks, Billy. I appreciate it.
16  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Lifetime ban on AGD on: April 21, 2016, 11:05:36 AM
Hmmm. Just occurred to me that at least one of those people who received one of THE emails has a habit of sending his/her own to people he disagrees with. No nasty gossip, just a desperate attempt to be smart-mouthed. Like I said earlier, I just presumed the guy is a dick and let it be
17  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Lifetime ban on AGD on: April 21, 2016, 10:21:28 AM
I have debated whether to post in this thread or not...

For those of you that are newer members, an introduction may first be in order...  I am the former editor and publisher of Endless Summer Quarterly, and I've been a Beach Boys fan and collector for around 45 years. I would put my Beach Boys collection in the top 10 in the U.S., only behind some of the uber-collectors like Bgas, Jim, Panayiotis, and a couple more.  I handed over the editorial reigns of ESQ to David Beard around 15 years ago, when my professional and family priorities caused me not to have sufficient time to dedicate to the magazine, however in full disclosure I still maintain a financial interest in ESQ as a silent partner.  Although I've been a member of this board from the very start, I've kept a rather quiet persona around here, preferring to post mainly in the threads that deal objectively with the band's history and music.

I consider AGD a colleague in the quest to uncover as much factual information about the Beach Boys as possible.  I've learned more from him than just about anyone else on this board (perhaps c-man excepted).  I'll admit that I've been peeved at him occasionally for one of his smarmy public admonitions when I've gotten my facts incorrect, however I've gotten just as many PM's offering me the opportunity to correct myself before he posted anything.  I've just looked through my dozens of PM's from him, and I don't have a single one that could be considered "gossipy" or defamatory toward any individual on or outside this message board.  I don't dispute the reports by others that that he did; I am only speaking from my personal experience.  Andrew knew that I had no interest in that type of discussion.

I've always tried to maintain a neutral stance toward the Beach Boys.  I am a Brian fan first, but I don't hate the touring band.  I think they serve a purpose in continuing to deliver the Beach Boys' music to the masses.  But I've watched as this board has appeared to degenerate into a battle of the BW versus BB camps, with, in my opinion as a third-party observer, negative posts directed at Mike going seemingly unpunished and those threads allowed to flourish, while threads that are even slightly critical of Brian are steered in a direction that will cause them to go away.

AGD's permanent ban from this board is a MAJOR loss that further takes this board away from being a source of historical information, to being a forum for personal sparring and negativity.  This will be my last post on this board, as I try to find another place where the emphasis is on scholarly discussion of the band's music.  And if that place doesn't exist, I may have to create it...

Lee Dempsey

Couldn't agree more - though we're talking about a handful of people only. Look at the way AGD's last thread was almost derailed.
18  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Lifetime ban on AGD on: April 20, 2016, 11:18:52 PM

But reading on I see it was opened, seemingly, so that OSD could take some more swipes at AGD now that he's not here to answer.
Best to close it again now before it gets really nasty again

This.
19  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Lifetime ban on AGD on: April 19, 2016, 11:33:40 PM


But I agree with those above that an ongoing bitchfest about someone who can't weigh in himself is pretty pathetic. If you find it fun, you may want to mock my dead grandparents, too. Even easier targets, in that they're very unlikely to be posting pretty much everywhere else online other than here. (In fact I don't believe any of them were remotely competent on any computer, ever. So it would be REALLY easy.) Dancing on graves might seem fun and it's sure easy, but it's unseemly.

Can we grow up a little? If we're going to be nasty, at least have the courage to be nasty to people still around here. But maybe we can even avoid being nasty to each other quite so often.

Now if you'll excuse me, typing doesn't get me any drunker, so I've got work to do. 

Cheers, as they say. It's a shame about the gloaters, though no surprise, sadly. Maybe they should just go down to the pub and have a beer and celebrate.
20  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Lifetime ban on AGD on: April 19, 2016, 08:36:00 AM
I'm also curious whether or not he fessed up.
21  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Lifetime ban on AGD on: April 19, 2016, 08:20:49 AM
It wasn't always this way.

And seconded.
22  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Lifetime ban on AGD on: April 19, 2016, 08:20:19 AM
Maybe instead of the lifetime ban, he could get his own section >> Ask the Historian<<  where he could answer questions/post information. He'd be locked out from posting in any other threads, and he wouldn't be able to use the PM function. 
  This way, he'd still be available as a source of knowledge, and other members could simply ask him questions when a problem arose in another thread(s), yet he wouldn't be able to bother those other posters drbeachboy mentions that are getting away with murder

This! And it would involve a minimum of loss of face on all sides. The voice of reason.


Thirded.
23  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Lifetime ban on AGD on: April 19, 2016, 08:17:55 AM
I'm disappointed it came to this. If it's true, I'm disappointed he felt the need to say what he said. He isn't the only one, but he is one I respect. I've learnt more from him than from anyone else on the board and was enjoying his recent, rather academic thread about the Boys in 1964 - the kind of the thread the board needs to keep relevant and, above all, to keep its head above the inane mudslinging that, sadly, passes for debate these days.  From my personal point of view, the only objectionable pm I've had has come from a shithead who does his best to stir, though even then, I thought,"f*** it. Guy's an idiot," and went about my day. Unfortunately, in recent times, the whole atmosphere of the board has soured and, I think, there were times when things might have been dealt with more effectively. I only have your word for what happened but I'm sure none of the mods bear a grudge (and Billy clearly likes the guy) and wouldn't make this up, so I'm not questioning you, but the context of some of the "ass-hattery "(to quote AGD) that's been going on here also needs to take a hit.
24  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: With whom should Al record an album? on: April 19, 2016, 12:17:30 AM
He has said he wants to do a weavers/Kingston Trio type album.

Maybe he should get the Pogues!  Evil
25  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The December 1964 event. on: April 17, 2016, 02:45:21 AM

But the main reason I have followed this thread is because I enjoy Ian's and Andrew's research and analytical discussion of new information. Although my book ended in 1963, my interest does not. The scope of their research is so vast, essentially the band's entire ongoing career, and I enjoy reading about their discovery of new facts shedding light on old myths. Especially the pivotal moment in the band's career being discussed presently. There is a real value in setting the record straight while these events are only fifty odd years in the past. And, long after the band, and those who documented their history, have danced off this Earth, the books will be all that is left for future generations to study as they enjoy the incredible musical catalog of the band we had the honor and privilege to see and hear in our lifetimes.


It would be nice to read a thread that doesn't end up being like a tabloid. I've been reading it and learning (as usual) and been rather pleased that some people have stuck to Andrew's original intentions despite the, no doubt intentional, baiting by one of the five or six board members who don't seem to be able to leave anything alone. Even Cam's behaved  Smiley I'm not criticising you, Debbie. I'm well acquainted with the Kent article and its inaccuracies - in fact Andrew was one of the first I read to highlight this. He was one of those writers who wanted to be a star in the Lester Bangs/Hunter S Thompson mode but he wasn't prepared to let the facts get in the way of his star's ascendancy. Oddly enough, though, he was a fan of the band, especially Brian - the real one, not just the one he wrote about.
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