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1  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike working on yet another new album on: June 27, 2019, 09:22:25 PM
Tell your Teach, we're gonna make it out to California Beach? OMG.....UGH!

I donít want to find fault where there isnít any but Iím not sure what to make of this:

Iíll tell my boss why donít you tell your teach...?

Am I reading too much into this or is this about a working aged man and a girl in high school?

2  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Songs about The Beach Boys, individually or collectively on: March 28, 2019, 09:10:29 PM
I didn't see this one mentioned...

Belle and Sebastian: I Love My Car

I love my Carl
I love my Brian my Dennis and my Al
I could even find it in my heart to love Mike Love
3  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian's next solo album (NPP followup) speculation and info thread on: February 22, 2018, 08:19:25 AM
The BB song that most reminds me of the Four Seasons is "The Night Was So Young".

You are right!  I had never thought about that before.  With that said, even though I can hear the similarity I can't put my finger on it.  Are there any songs that come to mind?

4  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian's next solo album (NPP followup) speculation and info thread on: February 21, 2018, 10:55:29 AM
Everyoneís got different tastes. Itís one of the happiest most rollicking songs Brian has done in his solo career, IMO (probably besides Good Kind Of Love). To me it sounds completely organic and doubt in part to the positive writing experience Musgraves had with Brian for this song.

I guess so.  I like some happy songs, and I like country music a little more with each passing year.   

For a happy sounding Brian song, I much prefer Don't Worry, which didn't make the "proper" album cut.

Thatís one song I wouldíve loved to have been in the studio for during recording. And also wouldíve loved to have heard the genesis of this song. I didnít like it much first time hearing it, Woodstock (Niko) once explained to me the dynamics of the song and it opened my eyes to how cool it actually is.

Speaking of "genesis," Don't Worry reminds me a lot of 1980s Phil Collins. 

It sounds like early 70s Frankie Valli/Four Seasons to me.
5  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Politics: 2016 Lame Duck and 2017 New Administration on: July 27, 2017, 07:17:28 PM
If only human reason wasn't skewed by a need for symmetry.

If only you were responding to someone who had stated there was an equal amount of sophistry on each side.
6  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Politics: 2016 Lame Duck and 2017 New Administration on: July 27, 2017, 05:08:16 PM
If only each side could see through the sophistry of their own side as well as they see through the sophistry of the other side.

7  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Beach Boys Wild Honey(Sunshine Tomorrow) 2CD Set? on: May 28, 2017, 07:13:36 PM
Nice cover:
8  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Sunflower - PROMO box of some sort...? on: May 13, 2017, 04:46:29 PM
Does anyone know what this is?
9  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Blondie Chaplin - (Great) New Article and Interview on: March 09, 2017, 10:57:27 AM

My favorite version of this song is by the great Garnett Mimms:

If you like this listen to some of his other stuff, you won't be disappointed.


...& The Enchanters. Yes indeed. This is the definitive version of "Cry Baby", with all due respect to Janis:

Good call, EoL. :=)

Agreed!  He has some really soulful, moving stuff.

10  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Blondie Chaplin - (Great) New Article and Interview on: March 08, 2017, 08:20:15 PM

From a site called "Music Legends Of Cape Town", this is a great article and interview about a Flame song (called The Flames in the article) which just topped a Valentines Day poll decades after its release, and gives a lot of great background and insight into Blondie's early days with the band in South Africa. This was shared by Blondie on Facebook - definitely worth a read.

My favorite version of this song is by the great Garnett Mimms:

If you like this listen to some of his other stuff, you won't be disappointed.

11  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Politics: 2016 Lame Duck and 2017 New Administration on: January 27, 2017, 10:02:10 AM
Here is a really interesting article that more or less supports what Sinister Smile has been saying (in regards to Trump running a brilliant campaign.  I am not sure this author means this in the same way Sinister Smile does, but regardless, I think he makes some great points.  The author also does an excellent job pointing out the hypocritical outrage that is so common in our post-modern culture.

Trump may or may not be a stick in spoke of the wheels of the Hegelian dialectic/dialectical materialism (if you don't understand the Hegelian dialectic you don't understand how badly you are being played), but it wouldn't take much to turn the next four years into the anti-thesis of the new thesis that arose under Obama, giving us a nightmare synthesis we will all regret.  It will be an interesting, and potentially terrifying, four years - depending on how things play out.

12  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Politics: 2016 Lame Duck and 2017 New Administration on: January 20, 2017, 12:46:40 PM
Yeah. I don't really get the question. I don't think anyone is "immune" from propaganda, but certainly one can gain skills to filter it better, look for supporting evidence or lack thereof, etc. but I don't think there's a credentialing organization.

I was using the word in its secondary sense (from, not the standard of the English language but I believe it will suffice for this particular purpose):

Credential: 2. anything that provides the basis for confidence, belief, credit, etc.

What I would like to know is what gives you the confidence to speak of others as being subject to propaganda (well-trained to dismiss the explainer) and lacking basic critical thinking skills (There have been multiple studies...), yet you don't seem to think of yourself in this way.  From your posts it is clear that you know quite a bit - but knowing information and being able to accurately assess it are two different things.  You present yourself as someone confident in your opinions and confident that others are wrong, so I naturally wonder what gives you this confidence.  How can you be certain you are not the one who is well-trained and in need of critical thinking skills?

13  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Politics: 2016 Lame Duck and 2017 New Administration on: January 20, 2017, 11:09:36 AM
Agree with both - however, I don't think there's any policy explainer who would be heard. I think the target audience is well-trained to dismiss the explainer.
Somehow  getting a handle on teaching actual critical thinking and source evaluation in primary and secondary school needs to be prioritized.
There have been multiple studies showing that teenagers and college students are, for the most part, unable to distinguish among sources and don't have the skills and/or desire to validate the information they receive.
The internet has completely changed how information is disseminated and education needs to be restructured accordingly.

Completely separate from the overall political argument(s) of this thread: could you let us know what credentials you have that enable you to be immune to propaganda and proficient in critical thinking?

14  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / Smiley Smilers Who Make Music / Re: 'Wild Honey' (cover) by rab2591 on: December 29, 2016, 02:40:13 AM
I want rab to record an entire Beach Boys cover album in CSN influenced folk now.  Grin

Me too.  Get on it Rab!
15  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike's 2 new tracks on PBS Stuff on: November 03, 2016, 03:01:48 PM
Mike can use the trademark solely for touring. It appears this includes selling merchandise at shows and online as well. Whether Mike is essentially a vendor of "BRI merchandise" or if he's having his own merchandise made under license, I don't know. If it's the latter, then that would technically mean that his license extends past literally nothing but live shows, and would extend into some level of merchandise.

There are obvious things he can't do, including recording and releasing music under the BB name (this would presumably include live recordings of his band).

So if he made a solo album, or had a solo "Mike Love" CD single of "Sloop John B", that would all be allowed assuming proper labeling (and again, assuming BRI doesn't put restrictions on what merchandise he sells at shows; assuming they don't, he can sell Bubble Yum and pruning shears at the merch stand if he wants).

This particular little USB thing is certainly muddier. Solo Mike Love recording on top of presumably licensed silent BB footage. Allowed? Probably technically I'm guessing.

Let's use another scenario. Mike sells a DVD of home video he shot of the Beach Boys on the road in the 1990s. He dubs all solo recordings over the footage. Can he do that? Probably. In that case, he might have to obtain releases from anyone in the footage.

But those old Capitol promo films perhaps don't require any new releases being signed or anything. Capitol owns the footage. Mike owns the solo recording. He puts the two together, and labels it (hopefully/presumably) as a "Mike Love" recording, perhaps mentioning it's on top of Beach Boys footage. Is this allowed? I guess BRI has to definitively answer that question.

In my 100% armchair opinion, this sort of thing would seem to be as actionable if not more so than Mike's 2004 suit regarding the freebie CD with a pic of the Beach Boys. Then again, Mike's lawsuit was laughed out of court.

My guess is that the easiest remedy for this, if BRI had a problem, would not be litigation but rather a reworking or clarification of the licensing agreement (assuming it doesn't already cover such scenarios).

I really think that *if* there were anyone at BRI would would conceivably have a problem with it, that would only really come from Brian/Melinda. And truthfully, at this point, I don't think they even care enough to bring a suit. That's very much a Mike Love thing to do, when he feels threatened like Cornholio. "Brian, are you threatening me?" I just don't think that Brian would want to bring a suit to stop Mike from doing this, because so few people even know about the USB stick (outside of this board), and really, is it worth the aggravation to get embroiled in a legal mess with a known litigious person?

I could easily see Mike "getting away" with this type of stuff (despite it being laughably hypocritical compared to his 2005 lawsuit, which he likely wishes the non-mention in his bio could make any associated embarrassment from losing such a suit simply not exist) simply because nobody *cares* on the BRI side anymore. The brand name has been pimped out so, so, so much over the years, I really think it just doesn't really matter, or if it matters, it isn't worth the aggravation at Brian's age to deal with it legally. I assume there's an element of "let the baby have his bottle" to the inaction.

A question for the legal experts: couldn't taking the "we don't care enough to go to court" approach in such a small matter come  back to haunt Brian in the future?  Aren't there states or situations where not pursuing a lawsuit in one instance but pursuing it in a similar instance later on negates the latter lawsuit?  I am sure there is a name for this but I don't recall what it is.  Could this be such a case?

16  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: interview with Mike book collaborator James S. Hirsch on: October 22, 2016, 07:12:11 PM
Hi All,

Recently I joined Pray for Surf podcaster Phil Miglioratti in interviewing author Jim Hirsch, who collaborated with Mike Love on Good Vibrations: My Life as a Beach Boy. He discusses his process working with Mike and we got into the current Beach Boys/Brian Wilson touring situation and the fallout from the 50th anniversary. We only scratched the surface and will do a part two next week. You can listen here:

Mike states why/how the 2012 tour ended in his bookÖ from his perspective.  Not sure how Mark asking the question would provide a new revelation.

You've already received your Mike apologist credentials, no need to continue to flaunt them here.  Where does Mark say he is asking for a new revelation about the breakup of C50?  Mike discusses Manson in his book, does that mean asking questions about Manson is off limits for all future interviews?  If so, why didn't you step in and proclaim that as a useless question when it was under discussion a few weeks ago?  Is there a anything else in the book that future interviews shouldn't bother with?  Maybe his discussion of the hit single Kokomo that didn't involve cousin Brian?

Other than further cementing your status as a Mike apologist what value did you intend when making this comment?

17  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: The Scandinavian music thread on: September 30, 2016, 06:07:48 PM
Irene, the band:

Little Things (That Tear Us Apart):
     -Song is 1:55 long, someone tacked over six minutes of silence to the end.

Always On My Mind:
     -Not a cover
     -Another of my favorites


Song by the lead singer's newer band, Azure Blue, called Catcher In The Rye:

18  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / Smiley Smilers Who Make Music / Re: Out of Curiosity... on: September 25, 2016, 04:09:02 PM
Thank you to all who have replied so far.  I was hoping that some of those who view these posts but don't comment would comment as to why, but I guess that was a silly hope - if a person isn't going to comment in regards to a song most likely the same person won't comment about commenting.

With that said, I wish I had more time so I could record more and have it not commented on.  Smiley

19  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / Smiley Smilers Who Make Music / Out of Curiosity... on: September 24, 2016, 11:47:35 AM
Why is it that when people post their music here there will be, as an example, hundreds of views, and therefore presumably a decent number of listens, and yet only a small number of comments?  For example, Rab's recent cover of Wild Honey has over 700 views but only seven or so comments.  I try to listen to everything posted here, even songs by posters who perform a style I care nothing about.  However, I don't always comment.  My reasons are:

1. I don't think the song is very good and don't want to be negative.  However, when I have time I try to find something positive, the vocals, the melody, etc.
2. I don't like the genre so I am not the right person to comment, though I can still try to find something good to say, again, perhaps the vocals or mix or something else.
3. I check the site on my phone and hate commenting from my phone.  I intend to post comments but later forget.
4. I have taken a break from the site, such as I have for the last few months, until recently.  Not only has life become busy but with all of the AGD, Cam, FP and such like non-sense I needed a break.  I really like the board presently, BTW.  I commend Billy for taking a stand, I know it wasn't easy and I know he lost respect from some in the process, but sometimes that happens when you do the right thing.

I don't doubt that some of you share similar reasons, but I find it hard to believe that of 700+ views for a post there are only seven who end up liking it, or something about it, sufficient to warrant a post.  So what gives, why so many views and so few comments?

20  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / Smiley Smilers Who Make Music / Re: 'Wild Honey' (cover) by rab2591 on: September 17, 2016, 04:51:52 PM
Excellent as always Rab.  So glad you changed it up and avoided the note-for-note cover idea, I love hearing people take creative liberty with songs instead of a straight copy.

21  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike Love on \ on: September 17, 2016, 04:51:02 PM
Excellent as always Rab.  So glad you changed it up and avoided the note-for-note cover idea, I love seeing people take creative liberty with songs instead a straight copy.

You reply to wrong thread - the Wild Honey cover is this:,24389.0.html

22  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike opens up about Melinda. on: September 17, 2016, 11:58:09 AM
Mods - Maybe in the sandbox or rules & guidelines, you can set up a thread to identify any bans or suspensions, leave it open for a bit if you feel commentary is appropriate. Lock it if not.
Then that won't become the topic here.

EOL - your suggestion above has already happened.

Late to the party.  Was years in the making.

23  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike opens up about Melinda. on: September 17, 2016, 11:50:31 AM

Is there a difference as between the "nameless" interview and the book? Yes, there is.

Are you suggesting CBS fabricated the interview? What are you trying to say?
Are you?  Just get the book.

I'm going to come right out and say you're just trolling the board at this stage by asking "Are you?"
I believe you're dragging this board and this discussion down. Again.

Once again, the modus operandi appears to be to create acrimony and chaos in any thread related to Mike or his book in order to deflect legitimate discussion and criticism of Mike and his book.

I'm clearly indicating that it's highly unlikely CBS fabricated a Mike Love quote. So I guess you're suggesting CBS fabricated Mike's quote.

Is there no room to entertain the possibility of journalist sloppiness with an unsigned article?  Or, just speculation?  

Is this a tacit admission that the book and interview contain two different stories?

24  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike opens up about Melinda. on: September 17, 2016, 11:48:05 AM

CD - yes we are all flawed but I am not sure it is our place to point out someone else's flaws..

If you are against people pointing out other people's flaws, I would hope you would say that Mike himself should take that to heart when he regularly points out Brian's flaws with his weight, his voice, his use of Autotune.

Come on CD - the use of autotune - during those C50 CD's - give me a break.  The Youtubes were better.  I am not pointing out personal flaws but technical flaws with technology that was probably unnecessary.  It is the same way people gripe about SIP and the technology used for that.    

So you excuse the Autotune comment. I take it that there is not a single thing that Mike could publicly say about Brian or Melinda that you'd quantify as pointing out their flaws, right? Oh right, you don't like hypotheticals.  Nothing Mike ever says about even Melinda Wilson is remotely of the nature of pointing out what he perceives as her flaws. Ha. Ha. Ha. What about Al supposedly being rude to subordinates? Isn't that Mike pointing out Al's flaw?

CD - let' not spin a yarn here. Get the book and see for yourself. 

You are making this personal, as to me. It is not personal.  I think this book has value, as I think Brian's book will have value to enlarge the history of The Beach Boys. Who else is left who can tell the story?

FP:  please stay on topic, your topic, Mike's book.  Brian's book isn't in Mike's book.  You've ruled out discussing anything and everything not in Mike's book in this read.  If you are going to spin us all in circles at least be consistent when so doing.

25  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike opens up about Melinda. on: September 17, 2016, 11:45:29 AM
First off, I don't know why people get upset that Melinda gets involved in the business end of things. I think it's pretty clear that she is a member of Brian's management team.

It's pretty clear Melinda has a business interest, as in the legal entity is named after her, BriMel.  Also, why is this a problem for the pro-Mike crowd when a similar dissatisfaction is not expressed for the involvement of Mike's 28th wife?  And don't say because she never brings attention to herself like Melinda does.  Melinda doesn't bring attention to herself, Mike does.  And just as Brian has enough decency not to bad mouth Mike, so he doesn't bad mouth Mike's wife.

This all seems so easy to understand.  Mike complains about Brian being controlled for one and only one reason, he prefers to be the one controlling Brian.  If he can't have control he will slander others who he imagines are filling the role in Brian's life that he so desperately covets.  It isn't hard to see he is projecting, a common psychological tell.  He knows what he wants, control, and projects that onto Melinda.  Everyone who knows and loves Brian denies it.  Mike, AGD, and Beard are the only three singing another song (and SJS)...but it isn't hard to figure out its all coming from the same source, Mike.  Then someone sees a little dust up backstage between Brian and Melinda and they interpret it through the lense of Mike's narrative.  Next his cronies come to the message boards (and PMs, yes, I received one of the now-famous PMs) to preach his gospel - with the hope that if they say it often enough (Cam) or if sufficient confusion is interjected (FP) people will eventually believe it.  Those not in the know, such as myself (previously) and The Cincinnati Kid more recently, begin to believe it.  Those who know and love Brian set the record straight, there is no reason to doubt them (outside of the single source of Mike-the-most-envious-man-on-planet-earth-Love narrative), yet aforementioned people persist in the vain hope repetition and confusion will eventually trump reason and facts.

It is both obvious and nauseating.


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