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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set
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on: November 23, 2019, 10:30:42 AM
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I thought it was going to be an entire box set of Feel Flows sessions. Bring it on!
My first assumption that was that it would be a version of Feel Flows with a four-hour flute solo, spanning five CDs. Feel Flows: Torture Edition!
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Pet Peeves - The small things that grinds your gears listening to The Beach Boys
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on: July 21, 2019, 12:49:39 PM
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I love "A Casual Look" but damn does Mike's poorly double-tracked lead vocal come roaring in too loudly. You can't tell me that he wouldn't have sounded better single-tracked and tucked into the mix! I'd love to remix this song. His double-tracking sounds better when he's harmonizing with Al on "Oh darling can't you see that I'm going overseas..." but that's to be expected. He's singing softer and in a lower register. So, this is my pet peeve: Why the insistence on double-tracking the majority of Mike's leads as his voice began to decline in the 70s? The more upbeat the vocal, and the higher in his vocal range, the more the double-tracking seems to exasperate Mike's nasally tone. Think - "in Captain Cook fashion, I can't deny it, I want to spend my winters on the Kona coast in Hawaii". When I hear Mike sounding like that, I think the double-tracking is doing far more harm than good. He also has some sloppy double-tracked vocals in the 60s which I think probably could have sounded better single-tracked. Though, I get that this is largely subjective. One more example..."Rock And Roll Music". While it's kind of a rigid performance, I think Mike sounds good on the verses (single-tracked), but not so much on the choruses (double-tracked). The single mix helps by centering the backing vocals and therefore not exposing Mike so much on the choruses. IMO.
Additionally, I hate the "false start" bass in the intro of "Kona Coast".
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Songs that remind you of specific Beach Boys songs
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on: July 19, 2019, 08:50:10 PM
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Here is something in this category that I posted about awhile back. I still think it sounds so incredibly similar that there's no way there wasn't a direct influence. Just listened to the song "Your Love is King" by Sade from 1984. http://youtu.be/k1ljpLQ1V6YThe intro sounds almost identical to Brian's "I'm So Lonely" from 1 year later. http://youtu.be/emKjSkUpDrkI wonder if Brian (or one of the ISL studio musicians) was a Sade fan. Too close to be a coincidence, don'tcha all think? I hear what you mean. I think both songs are in the same time signature as well. 12/8? Btw, according to Wikipedia, "Your Love Is King" wasn't released in the US until 1985. Though, that doesn't mean they hadn't heard it.
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Songs that remind you of specific Beach Boys songs
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on: July 19, 2019, 06:30:20 PM
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there's a song on the lennon "double fantasy" album... one part of it sounds like "don't worry baby" 's verse "but she looks in my eyes and makes me realise" don't remember the title...
Yeah, a lot of people seem to make this connection. It's "but when I see you darling, it's like we both are" in "(Just Like) Starting Over". Funny, as much as I love Just Like Starting Over and Dont Worry Baby, I dont think Ive ever heard it like that, not that I, denying it exists, Ive just never heard the connection. I hadn't made the connection either. Not until fans started pointing it out. Even now, I can't say that I think of one while listening to the other, but this is exactly the kind of thing I'm interested in!
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Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: Bob Dylan Thread
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on: July 19, 2019, 11:51:08 AM
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You are probably right on both counts. "I'm In Love" was a hit in the UK and I believe it was released, and also covered, in the US. That said, they may have both been influenced by an earlier usage or just independently written (without influence). The Beatles' "I Should Have Known Better" is a possible candidate: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5en2JMLA8Z0Whoa, I had never made that connection! You know, John Lennon wrote both songs. George Martin produced both. Embellishing on this, I see "Hello Little Girl", The Fourmost's first hit (the one before "I'm In Love"), is said to have been John Lennon's first compositlon, back in 1957: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_CagR2GPqwThat link doesn't work for me in the US, so here's another one for anyone else who's interested. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psjPQT0cywUHey, it's even got the climactic "love, love, love" at 0:48 and "mind, mind, mind" at 1:13. Looks like we've stumbled upon an early, favored songwriting device of Lennon's. One which The Fourmost took ample advantage of.
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Songs that remind you of specific Beach Boys songs
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on: July 19, 2019, 10:21:49 AM
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Cool idea for a topic, B.E.. The one that immediately springs to my mind is Culture Club's "Karma Chameleon". The first three notes sound pretty well identical in tempo, pitch and timbre to the first three notes of "You're So Good To Me" but after that the two songs don't sound like each other at all! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmcA9LIIXWwAh, I hear it! there's a song on the lennon "double fantasy" album... one part of it sounds like "don't worry baby" 's verse "but she looks in my eyes and makes me realise" don't remember the title...
Yeah, a lot of people seem to make this connection. It's "but when I see you darling, it's like we both are" in "(Just Like) Starting Over".
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Songs that remind you of specific Beach Boys songs
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on: July 19, 2019, 09:04:05 AM
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Are there any songs that remind you of specific Beach Boys song? It could be a similar lyric, melody, arrangement, key change, etc. I'm currently revisiting Neil Young's discography after many years and an old favorite of mine "Out on the Weekend" now reminds me of "We'll Run Away". You may be scratching your head as to why that is, but the instrumentation stops playing for the first bar of this section here https://youtu.be/TuXMQQtcQ_U?t=92, providing the same effect as the backing track of "We'll Run Away" fading in after about a bar and a half (?) here https://youtu.be/bs_B6CMOZKY?t=28. I think it's a really cool effect. No doubt used in many other songs, but it's the Beach Boys that spring right to mind!
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Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: Bob Dylan Thread
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on: July 19, 2019, 08:43:54 AM
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You are probably right on both counts. "I'm In Love" was a hit in the UK and I believe it was released, and also covered, in the US. That said, they may have both been influenced by an earlier usage or just independently written (without influence). The Beatles' "I Should Have Known Better" is a possible candidate: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5en2JMLA8Z0Whoa, I had never made that connection! You know, John Lennon wrote both songs. George Martin produced both.
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Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: Bob Dylan Thread
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on: July 19, 2019, 07:20:58 AM
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Speaking of Planet Waves, what are the chances Dylan heard The Fourmost's "I'm In Love"? Whenever I listen to "You Angel You', I think of this https://youtu.be/PoAr8Dcm-5M?t=59. It's quite possible I am the only one. So far I'm one of the vast majority. But I'll give them both another listen later--I may be missing something vital. Here's "You Angel You" for those who are interested: https://vimeo.com/312355743JK, thanks for posting "You Angel You". I'm really only referring to the "If this is love, (then) give me more, (and) more, (and) more..." gambit. It is first heard in "You Angel You" at the 1:00 mark and in "I'm In Love" at 0:58. He may have heard it but I doubt it was an inspiration or source material, personally. Dylan ripped off a lot of songs over the years (and I don't say that critically) but his source material wasn't almost always an old folk ballad or a country blues song.
You are probably right on both counts. "I'm In Love" was a hit in the UK and I believe it was released, and also covered, in the US. That said, they may have both been influenced by an earlier usage or just independently written (without influence).
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Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: Bob Dylan Thread
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on: July 18, 2019, 05:28:50 PM
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I love that album. Pretty underrated I think. Some of the songs foreshadow the confessional direction he would take with Blood on the Tracks ( Going, Going, Gone, Dirge, Wedding Song). Yet while Blood has always felt a bit too FM-friendly to me in places, the sound of Waves is just excellent, with The Band's homespun rawness in full display. Agreed about The Band's contribution. It takes the album to another level. "Going, Going, Gone" has some wonderfully spooky guitar from Robbie. It's just supremely irritating that the album version is nowhere to be found online. Speaking of Planet Waves, what are the chances Dylan heard The Fourmost's "I'm In Love"? Whenever I listen to "You Angel You', I think of this https://youtu.be/PoAr8Dcm-5M?t=59. It's quite possible I am the only one.
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