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1  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Steel Guitar on Little Pad on: January 22, 2019, 01:04:52 PM
What's just as interesting is that to my ears, I think you can hear on this specific track the cut-and-paste process of splicing tape and reusing the same "takes" for different sections of the same songs, as described by Jim Lockert in that famous quote where he spoke about the "marathon" mixing session which was done to finish the album.

My memory needs refreshing...could someone post or provide a link to Lockert's comments?

If anyone else is interested in reading them - I found a previous post by guitarfool2002, thanks!

http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,16052.msg388193.html#msg388193

2  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Steel Guitar on Little Pad on: January 22, 2019, 12:08:45 PM
What's just as interesting is that to my ears, I think you can hear on this specific track the cut-and-paste process of splicing tape and reusing the same "takes" for different sections of the same songs, as described by Jim Lockert in that famous quote where he spoke about the "marathon" mixing session which was done to finish the album.

My memory needs refreshing...could someone post or provide a link to Lockert's comments?
3  Smiley Smile Stuff / Welcome to the Smiley Smile board / Users active in the past 1440 minutes? on: January 21, 2019, 11:22:50 AM
Is the change to the "Users Online" section permanent or will the 15 minute duration be restored?
4  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: My Reimagined Beach Boys Albums Website on: January 17, 2019, 01:46:20 PM
But if they were able to add the Cottonfields single to the UK version of Sunflower, why not Break Away?  Both songs were Capital singles.

Hopefully, someone else will weigh in, because this is a murky area. Technically, I assume that the Beach Boys could have included "Break Away" on Sunflower, but that would have required licensing the song from Capitol. Similarly, they considered licensing "The Lord's Prayer" from Capitol for inclusion on Keepin' The Summer Alive. I assume this was the case for "Cottonfields" inclusion on the UK Sunflower. I wonder if this was made any easier considering EMI owned Capitol and Stateside ? I don't know. Like I said, this is a murky area for me. "Cottonfields" was included in other territories because it was an international hit and they thought its inclusion would result in greater sales.
5  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread on: January 17, 2019, 11:06:06 AM

Off the top of my head, other than Transcendental Meditation I cannot think of another "BBs" track that has all Brian harmonies, other than the unreleased Don't Talk intro. (I'm excluding tracks like Caroline, No, since it's just a lead vocal with no harmonies).

Is there another example I'm missing?

The first one that pops in my head is "The Surfer Moon".

I did not realize that was a Wall of Brians, very cool, I'll have to relisten!

Not a 'wall' per se, but he does sing harmony (unlike "Caroline, No"). Beautifully sung!

Edit: "I Just Wasn't Made For These Times" is, what, like 90% Brian? Maybe more.
6  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread on: January 17, 2019, 10:56:00 AM

Off the top of my head, other than Transcendental Meditation I cannot think of another "BBs" track that has all Brian harmonies, other than the unreleased Don't Talk intro. (I'm excluding tracks like Caroline, No, since it's just a lead vocal with no harmonies).

Is there another example I'm missing?

The first one that pops in my head is "The Surfer Moon".
7  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: My Reimagined Beach Boys Albums Website on: January 15, 2019, 05:49:01 PM
Does anybody know if the BB could have actually used Break Away (single or an alternate version) on their Sunflower album?  Or did Capital records still have the rights to the song?

The reason I ask is that I always reimagine Sunflower with Break Away on it.. it would have made an awesome album even better!

Capitol still had the rights. They included it on the Spirit Of America compilation.
8  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: BEACH BOYS PRODUCERS SHED LIGHT ON 1968 ARCHIVAL RELEASES on: January 09, 2019, 04:09:10 PM
Since the return of Murry has been a topic on multiple discussions recently,  it made me think if his return was as much a simple human and family thing as much as anything connected to the business.

There was a spin of the events going around that Brian was in bad shape, so the band members and family rallied around him to help make the Friends album. Not sure if I buy that...

But what if Murry came back simply because either he wanted to reconnect with his sons, or his sons wanted to reconnect with him? Remember Brian said Dennis was working on their relationship just before Murry's death, where they'd go fishing, and Brian himself I think mentioned entertaining Murry's ideas for a smash hit tune called Lazaloo, just trying to spend time together.

So maybe when Murry came back in 1968 and worked of Friends, he either did so with his hat in hand to reconcile with his boys, or maybe his sons or one of them at least invited him to the sessions for similar reasons.

I'm just thinking how Breakaway got its start by Brian remembering watching the Joey Bishop show with Murry, and Joey would say we're going to break away now for a commercial...and the idea for the tune was born. So it's not like they were totally estranged.

Very plausible, GF. I imagine Murry's involvement would have been less likely if they hadn't built the home studio. The new, laid back atmosphere may have lent itself to his (limited) involvement.
9  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike Love of the Beach Boys Presents The Girls of Kokomo..... on: January 09, 2019, 03:11:32 PM
The constant kokomo branding was a good reason for BW to stay away....

Or a better reason for him to come back!
10  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike Love of the Beach Boys Presents The Girls of Kokomo..... on: January 09, 2019, 03:00:32 PM
@B.E., though I think any chart success would've helped Brian's confidence, it's a pretty interesting road of thought to image how Murry would have behaved had it been a success...and to wonder if in the long run it would be a positive thing for Brian. Just my two cents. I hope others chime in on this topic too.

Considering Murry was involved, yes, I think it would have gone to his head. But that makes me wonder if he changes his mind about selling Sea Of Tunes in '69 and how that could have changed things for Brian and the group in a very positive way. Surely, Murry selling away all of Brian's songs (and "Breakaway" failing) had a worse effect on Brian than "Breakaway" being a hit would have, no? Yeah, maybe Murry might convince Brian that he still needed him, but if Brian's confidence is up, is that really so bad? Most of us love the results of Friends and "Breakaway", don't we? Point is, we know how things turned out, and it wasn't good for Brian.

It is interesting to think about. I just feel the need to pump the brakes is all...
11  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike Love of the Beach Boys Presents The Girls of Kokomo..... on: January 09, 2019, 02:42:33 PM
CenturyDeprived, I think you're really going out on a limb to claim that it's better in hindsight that "Breakaway" failed commercially. The group was struggling financially and leaving Capitol. A hit single could have made a huge difference. Maybe Murry doesn't sell Sea of Tunes at all! Or at least not in August of '69. Who knows what may have transpired? It obviously also wouldn't have hurt Brian's confidence for it to succeed. It may not have had a lasting effect on his mental well-being, but who knows?
12  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: What are you watching now?/Favourite Movie of the Moment on: January 07, 2019, 10:57:10 AM
For the first time in a long time I listened to a few Springsteen albums and I was reminded that "Highway Patrolman" inspired the 1991 film The Indian Runner. It's one of those films that sticks with you for a while... thinking about life and family. It was a good film. If anyone has seen it and has any thoughts on the ending, I'd like to hear them. In particular, about what happened between Frank and Caesar (the bartender) which precipitated the end of the film. I watched it last night and I'm still thinking about it. I may not have checked it out, but I respect Penn, Mortensen, and Morse. I soon found out Hopper and Bronson also had roles. Any thoughts on The Indian Runner?

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0102116/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1

Perhaps this thread should be moved to the 'General Entertainment' section?
13  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike being comfortable with Bruce appearing on: January 04, 2019, 09:07:20 AM
I would personally have no interest in a Pet Sounds album signed by Brian, Al and Blondie

Imagining Blondie's voice on the original album disturbs me.
14  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Alan Deane vocal scores - I Found Them!!! on: December 28, 2018, 11:31:17 AM
I've tried and failed to find these in recent years. Thanks so much!!!
15  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: All I Wanna Do - What were The BBs trying to achieve with it? on: December 28, 2018, 10:55:14 AM
Imagine having a time machine, and playing this song for the band in 1961 telling them in 8 short years, they'll sound like this. And then seeing their faces.

And then telling them where the album charted. They might have given up on the spot!
16  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson - 2018 Tour Thread on: December 22, 2018, 02:33:10 PM
This makes my heart smile.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BrtKBHKngbD/

I know it's probably nothing but maybe a possible contender for the Rock 'n Roll album?

Thanks so much for posting! It's great to see Brian so relaxed. Sounds like Al was about to ask whose song that was. He didn't seem too familiar with it Grin
17  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: Uncharacteristic Songs on: December 17, 2018, 06:42:35 PM
A while back I broke out Tom Petty's Echo after listening to Nirvana. Man, I was getting some serious Nirvana vibes from "I Don't Wanna Fight". It still sounds more like Petty than Nirvana, but I thought it worth mentioning.
18  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson - 2018 Tour Thread on: December 13, 2018, 07:18:45 AM
Brian still kills it on backing vocals when others are singing.

Does he? It's been reported that he hardly sings any background vocals anymore. Not participating in Auld Lang Syne with the rest of the band huddled around him is hard to watch.
19  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: From Yahoo Entertainment...Mike discusses rift with Brian on: December 11, 2018, 03:58:48 PM
I do find it amazing that a major publisher of online news acknowledges that there are different camps in the fanbase (Mike vs Brian fans). I wish someone would write a completely unbiased book that reviews the history of Brian and Mike: where the differences started, the contents of the lawsuits, how Mike didn't get credited for a lot of songs, how Mike got 1/3 credit on an entire song for 4 words...no opinions from the author, just straight up facts so anyone could get a really solid overview of why this feud started and an honest look of why these guys are still separated to this day.

Yeah. A little different, and I haven't read it yet, but I'd love a Beach Boys book like Erin Torkelson Weber's Beatles and the Historians: An Analysis of Writings about the Fab Four.
20  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread on: December 11, 2018, 01:54:14 PM
Sorry, probably posted already, but who is playing drums on "Be Here In The Morning Darling"? Fantastic!
21  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: Your Favorite Non-BBs Christmas Album on: December 10, 2018, 08:51:22 AM
Well, Elvis' first Christmas album is great and a classic (the second one is ok, but not great).

When I was first getting into Elvis it was recommended that I pick up Christmas Peace. Since then, it's probably my most listened to Christmas album. There are only a few songs/albums that I've come to listen to every year - without exception. Christmas Peace is one of those.
22  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread on: December 06, 2018, 09:47:51 PM
Itís also on youtube in the US.
23  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson - 2018 Tour Thread on: December 06, 2018, 02:54:58 PM
5. It was touching when Al changed the lyric during "IJWMFTT" to "he" instead of "I" and gestured with his head and hands towards Brian as the song hard ended.  Al's eyes were closed and had a bit of a bittersweet look on his face as he did this. I think he senses something as well. This song took on a completely new meaning for me watching an old Brian sound and look a bit worn down. For the first time live that I have seen him (5th time for me), he had that weight of the world on his shoulders look again.

Thanks for sharing Smiley
24  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread on: December 06, 2018, 07:30:35 AM
As I wait for it to be December 7th here, I'm wondering why not issue a press release ahead of time. Even just a few days or week prior? It's streaming in parts of the world right now, yet not announced? Nothing on beachboys.com yet. I see they did the same thing last year, announcing Sunshine Tomorrow 2 and Live Sunshine the day of release (December 8th). Whatever... can't wait to hear these releases!!!
25  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson - 2018 Tour Thread on: November 29, 2018, 06:00:32 PM
It's really cool and surprising that they're bringing out "Winter Symphony". I didn't think there'd be room in the setlist for something like that.
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