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1  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: Bob Dylan Thread on: Yesterday at 12:28:36 PM
I've ranked all of Dylan's albums through Desire. Only omitting Before The Flood and greatest hits compilations. This ranking reflects my personal preference. No attempt to be objective! None at all. Feel free to express your disbelief.

1. Another Side of Bob Dylan
2. Blood on the Tracks
3. The Times They Are A'Changin'
4. Bringing It All Back Home
5. Highway 61 Revisited
6. The Freewheelin' Bob Dylan
7. New Morning
8. Desire
9. Planet Waves
10. Bob Dylan
11. John Wesley Harding
12. Blonde on Blonde
13. Pat Garrett & Billy the Kid
14. Dylan
15. Nashville Skyline
16. The Basement Tapes
17. Self Portrait
2  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Top 10 favorite Beach Boys albums - a new Pray for Surf podcast on: October 20, 2018, 08:34:35 AM
And just because we can't just be so gushingly positive, we also vote on "which album or two from the catalog would you delete if you had to choose?"

I like all of their albums through '85 and generally am annoyed by how easily some fans dismiss certain songs, albums, or even eras of the group, but I can't really say I'd be missing much of anything if Still Cruisin', Summer In Paradise, and Stars and Stripes Vol. 1 never existed. Jumping straight from '85 to TWGMTR would certainly clean things up for me.

Edit: I meant album-wise. In this universe the "Rock n Roll to the Rescue", "California Dreamin'", and "Kokomo" singles would still exist.
3  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Discuss & Rate Brian Wilson Songs Day by Day on: October 12, 2018, 03:45:49 AM
Today's song is Melt Away

One of the better vocal performances on the album, but I'm not a fan of the saxophone playing at all.

A "4" recording of a "5" song.
4  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: What are you watching now?/Favourite Movie of the Moment on: October 02, 2018, 12:21:28 PM
Some people in movie discussions elsewhere stated that Tim Robbins shone just in single film, "in dat Stephen King movie". Is it true? Will you agree/ disagree with it?

I thought Tim Robbins was great in Bull Durham and Jacob's Ladder also.   So, I can't agree that he only shone in one single film.   

I'm a big fan of Tim Robbins' role in War of the Worlds (2005). I don't want to spoil it, but I thought the whole section of that movie where Tim Robbins takes in Tom Cruise and Dakota Fanning was really well done. There's even a prominent Beach Boys reference.
5  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Humour----goodness knows we need it on: September 26, 2018, 06:52:05 PM
 LOL
6  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys studio disasters and screwups? on: September 25, 2018, 06:55:53 PM
Imagine the band members trying to impress him with their solo efforts, after they denied him his own.

I saw it. It was sad.

I don't know that I could say Brian was bitter, but he - understandably - wasn't happy. He didn't say anything, at least when I was there, but he made his displeasure known with his expressions and his silence. One time I did see Brian slam his hand down on a vinyl that was playing so hard that the music stopped. The band member hoping to impress him said, "Okay Brian. I guess you've heard enough, Brian," as he scampered out of the room. It was 3 songs in to the record.

It was complicated.

Sad, indeed. Please tell me it wasn't POB.
7  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Recent thoughts on Jack Rieley by the Beach Boys? on: September 18, 2018, 10:15:51 PM
Revisiting the earlier comments about the Wilsons being pushed more to the fore during the Rieley era, and questions if that were the case, just look at the writing credits on Surf's Up-Carl And The Passions-Holland. Mike is listed as co-writer on 7 tracks across those three albums. One of those was a lyrical rewrite of Leiber and Stoller. They were spreading out the writing duties and it shows just by reading the credits and noting who was writing the tunes during this time.

Just to be clear, I was only refuting one statement you made. You said that Rieley "getting the Wilsons in the forefront of the band's original music was *huge* and needed". I've already commented on that. Bringing up the credits only bolsters my position. The Wilsons credits Friends-Sunflower total 38 [17, 9, 12]. The Wilsons credits Surf's Up-Holland total 18 [6, 6, 6]. Mike having 7 credits Surf's Up-Holland isn't proof of the Wilsons being pushed more into the fore nor does it indicate a change in his role (he had 8 credits Friends-Sunflower). Al had the same amount of credits as Mike in each period. So, what gives? We're hearing approximately the same amount of Mike and Al (and Bruce, where applicable). The person thrusted to the forefront was Jack Rieley and his 9 credits. Blondie and Ricky also contributed 3 credits each. There's also the double LP In Concert which couldn't find room for a single Dennis song (written or sung). Now, obviously, songwriting credits don't tell the whole story and not all songwriting credits are created equal Grin. I get that. With that said, I thought fans praised the late 60s-early 70s Beach Boys because it was a true group effort. Jack's recollections and some of your posts in this thread seem to be trying pretty hard to diminish that.

On a separate note, I've been listening to a lot of Live In London lately. Incredible! I think I've been overlooking that one a bit. Of course, I also tack on the live version of "All I Want To Do" from MiC to the end. I can't do without it. It's probably the hardest rockin' Beach Boys performance ever! Anyway, listening to that great live album with Jack's comments fresh in my mind really put me off. He absolutely trashed their live group. The striped shirts were long gone. They had added a horn section and additional musicians, such as, Ed Carter, Billy Hinsche, and Mike Kowalski. The setlist really strikes me, though. None of the classic surf or car song. Not a single one. They're taking chances with new sounds and styles and managed to represent every album from Summer Days (And Summer Nights!!) - 20/20. You wouldn't get that from Jack's comments at all. Generally, the tone of his recollections don't inspire much confidence. Which is too bad.
8  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys 2018 Tour Thread on: September 18, 2018, 06:38:12 AM
Now, obviously, any band can perform any songs they want on stage. Both Mike and Brian can perform nothing but REO Speedwagon and Eminem songs if they want.

Brian can. Mike can't. Either Mike would lose the license or BRI would lose the trademark.
9  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: Paul McCartney Solo on: September 17, 2018, 08:41:30 PM
Listened to "Fuh You". Mixed review - glad Paul tries sth. new, paves way feet-to-feet with current music's techniques but, since I dislike such music, I didn't like it. Who's in clip? Is it by chance Paul's grandson? & is it single new song posted in youtube since then in addition to the 2 listed by you?

I haven't watched the video for "Fuh You" yet but I read that the kid is an actor (not related to Paul). Are you asking if any other songs are on youtube yet? Try this...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLHeohkkuMo&index=1&list=PLTOHMR1JPwcx_9HLVm5UfY0EJPEEj3YDl
I'm curious to know if this first link works for you or if it's only available in certain countries (like the US).

and this...
music video for "Back In Brazil"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okqNDGSNUUI
10  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: Paul McCartney Solo on: September 16, 2018, 11:00:48 AM
Wow! It's being reported that Egypt Station is set for a #1 debut on Billboard 200. Would be his first #1 since Tug Of War.
11  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Definite Smiley Smile Message Board's Song & Album Rankings - Results on: September 15, 2018, 02:30:58 PM
Disagree with PLMW, AIWD, TID, TWW, IJWMFTT isn't big PS fave. CE shouldn't be just 8th place. But, given these precise 10 songs, I'd place it like this - CE, SU, GOK, GV, WIBN, IJWMFTT, TWW, TID, PLMW, AIWD.
OMG all those acronyms lol
The funny thing is 99/100 we all know exactly what they stand for!  Smiley
12  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Recent thoughts on Jack Rieley by the Beach Boys? on: September 13, 2018, 09:50:59 PM
I would say that Rieley was onto something big. For one, getting the Wilsons in the forefront of the band's original music was *huge* and needed. There was so much they could offer, but as seen in Rieley's comments, there was also some resistance from within the band.

Brian seems anything but in the forefront of the band's music during the Rieley era. I don't blame Jack. I'm sure he would have liked Brian to contribute more, but all Brian really contributed to the cause was ADITLOAT, Funky Pretty, and Mt Vernon (which ironically would have included oldies if Brian had completed his vision). I just find it a little weird when I read about Jack and his support of the Wilsons (which I don't doubt) and then listen to the records and hear less Brian and Dennis.

If you read through Jack's posts at the link above, he addresses some of this specifically. See what he said about Student Demonstration Time making it onto the album and how Carl wanted to sequence it.

Okay, I reread Jack's posts. My position hasn't changed. Jack's recollection of SDT is that of Mike buying in. He also talks of Bruce asking him to write lyrics for 'Disney Girls'. We also know that Al and Mike contributed 'Don't Go Near The Water' (which I didn't notice Jack mention) and that Al's 'Lookin' At Tomorrow' (while pre-dating Jack) aligned with Jack's vision for the group. It sounds like everyone is putting in the effort to cooperate. The only outlier is 'Feet' which I wouldn't be surprised if Brian also wanted released. The fact that they apparently weren't all fans of each others songs is of little importance. What matters is what made it to record and what was performed live. So, I'm more interested in 'Burlesque'. According to Jack's posts that's the only song Mike killed. The only remarks on sequencing I noticed were that Jack and Carl were considering putting "all" of the Wilsons songs on one side but ultimately decided against it. This must have been after Dennis' songs were pulled though, because how could they all have fit? I doubt Brian, Carl, Dennis, and Jack were all in agreement when that went down, which is otherwise how Jack's recollections are framed. It wasn't weird to you how he talked about 'San Miguel'? How Brian, Carl, and Jack "supported" Dennis' decision to can it. Jack seems quite dismissive of the Sunflower-era tunes. Anyway, I still don't hear the Wilsons thrusted into the forefront during the Rieley years. I hear more Carl, less Brian and Dennis, and about the same amount of Mike, Al, and Bruce (until he leaves/is fired). The Wilsons weren't exactly no-shows on prior records. To me, Jack's major influences on the group were on subject matter and live performance.
13  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Recent thoughts on Jack Rieley by the Beach Boys? on: September 13, 2018, 11:46:18 AM
I would say that Rieley was onto something big. For one, getting the Wilsons in the forefront of the band's original music was *huge* and needed. There was so much they could offer, but as seen in Rieley's comments, there was also some resistance from within the band.

Brian seems anything but in the forefront of the band's music during the Rieley era. I don't blame Jack. I'm sure he would have liked Brian to contribute more, but all Brian really contributed to the cause was ADITLOAT, Funky Pretty, and Mt Vernon (which ironically would have included oldies if Brian had completed his vision). I just find it a little weird when I read about Jack and his support of the Wilsons (which I don't doubt) and then listen to the records and hear less Brian and Dennis.
14  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: Songs you are obsessing over. on: September 10, 2018, 06:58:32 AM
Solomon Burke - Cry To Me
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmwA_bwv9uY
15  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Discuss & Rate Brian Wilson Songs Day by Day on: September 01, 2018, 12:38:06 PM
Today's song is Melt Away.

5. It must have been incredible for long-time fans who had heard so little from Brian for so many years to hear a track like this! One of his best solo songs. This should be a concert staple!
16  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Discuss & Rate Brian Wilson Songs Day by Day on: August 30, 2018, 05:25:49 PM
The definitive version. Five.

Agreed on both counts.
17  Smiley Smile Stuff / Polls / Re: Discuss Every Beach Boys Song Day By Day on: August 24, 2018, 07:52:49 AM
Watamushi, a Brian thread in General On Topic may be worth a shot, but if you don't think there's enough participation to continue, I certainly wouldn't blame you.

Yes, RRA1, I'm usually up for most Beatles discussions, but in this case I don't think there'd be enough participation to make it worthwhile. I think the recent Beatles survivor threads and the Beatles vs Beach Boys threads were sufficient.
18  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike Love - 'Reason for the Season' Album Coming on: August 17, 2018, 06:11:53 PM
It’s a strange world Listening
19  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Scott Bennett Update: He's Due to Be Released on: August 16, 2018, 04:28:14 PM
To answer B.E. - what one considers to be inappropriate or excessive has no bearing, for me, on reasonable behaviour. At one point, it was widely considered inappropriate to engage in a homosexual act but, in my view, it was a reasonable act. So if people do think that, it certainly wouldn't convince me in any way that the action of "getting blitzed out beyond self-control" is unreasonable.

If your singular definition of reasonable behavior is any action that does not deprive (or potentially deprive) others of their freedom and self-ownership, then it's going to be met with some confusion. Beyond that, I agree with everyone who is expressing that the victim does not share any of the blame for Scott's criminal actions.
20  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Scott Bennett Update: He's Due to Be Released on: August 16, 2018, 10:56:57 AM
I don't think many people regard "getting blitzed out beyond self-control" as reasonable behavior. In this context, they'd understand it to be inappropriate, excessive behavior (even if they enjoyed it).
21  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: My Very First Beach Boys Release on: August 13, 2018, 09:44:03 AM
Here's the path I took...

1. 20 Good Vibrations - The Greatest Hits - This was the lone Beach Boys CD in my house growing up. For years, until the age of about 14-15, if I wanted to listen to the Beach Boys I listened to this compilation. I'd mainly listen to it in the summer. There wasn't a song I disliked. [circa 1995]

2. Pet Sounds - I discovered Pet Sounds as a teenager. It quickly became my favorite album. Despite this, I still didn't feel compelled to explore further. Just not enough time in the day, I suspect. [circa 2003]

3. Little Deuce Coupe / All Summer Long - A few years later, my brother picked this up. It was nice to have more of their earlier material. I liked it, but I listened to it sparingly. I was focused on other bands at the time.

4. Friends / 20/20 - Another few years later, I picked this up out of the blue. I can't remember why. I don't think I knew anything about it. I distinctly remember listening to both albums and being impressed. Impressed enough to recommend these lesser known albums to people, but apparently not enough to ditch whoever I was listening to and obsess over the Beach Boys. I had Pet Sounds. I had the hits. I had a few early '60s albums, a few late '60s albums. How much more did I need?

5. Party! - This was given to me by a friend. She said she never felt cooler than when she was cruising, blasting this album. She said it was the only Beach Boys album she liked. I thought that was kinda cool. [2011]

These are my first five (or seven) Beach Boys albums, but it should be noted that I was aware of Brian's solo career enough that I picked up BWPS, TLOS, and the Disney album shortly upon release. I don't think I was aware of GIOMH or WIRWFC. I probably just wasn't interested in the Gershwin album at the time.

In 2012 I was aware of the reunion, but I was still something of a casual fan. Ultimately, I didn't see them on tour and I didn't pick up TWGMTR until a year later (when I was buying all of their albums). So, what was I interested in? Pacific Ocean Blue. I can't be sure what inspired me to pick up the 2-disc edition of POB, but I couldn't stop listening to it. Even though Friends and 20/20 had clued me in to the potential quality and diversity of the Beach Boys music beyond the hits, it wasn't that far removed from what I knew. With POB, here's the drummer (!!!), solo, in '77, giving me one of my favorite albums. It was time. I had to listen to it all. At this point I started reading up on the band and by mid-2013 I had bought just about every album. I also remember stumbling upon a blog of someone's Top 200 Beach Boys songs. That's where I heard some of Brian's mid-70s material for the first time, e.g., 'It's Over Now', 'Still I Dream Of It', and 'Sherry She Needs Me'. That blew my mind. As I picked up the rest of their albums, I started with Smiley Smile / Wild Honey.
22  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys Channel on Sirius XM on: August 10, 2018, 01:25:19 PM
Slightly off-topic, but the worst sound quality I've heard (by far!!!) was Surfin' Safari (Ariola Version). I guess this was a bonus track on the Japanese compilation Still I Dream Of You: Rare Works Of Brian Wilson. It was horrendous. It should not have been played on the radio! That was my impression, anyway. I only heard it once and I was just listening through my smartphone speakers.
23  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys Channel on Sirius XM on: August 10, 2018, 12:51:43 PM
Reunion interview schedule:

August 10 at 5 pm ET with replays August 10 at 8 pm ET; Saturday, August 11 at 12 pm ET; Sunday, August 12 at 3pm & 10 pm ET; Tuesday, August 14 at 2 pm ET; and Wednesday, August 15 at 11 pm ET.
24  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Everyone back together for a Beach Boys Q&A for Sirius XM? on: August 10, 2018, 12:51:23 PM
Reunion interview schedule:

August 10 at 5 pm ET with replays August 10 at 8 pm ET; Saturday, August 11 at 12 pm ET; Sunday, August 12 at 3pm & 10 pm ET; Tuesday, August 14 at 2 pm ET; and Wednesday, August 15 at 11 pm ET.
25  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys Channel on Sirius XM on: August 10, 2018, 07:59:33 AM
They’ve played In The Key Of Disney.


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