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1  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Your Top 3 Favorite Solo Albums on: Yesterday at 11:20:25 AM
Nice choices and comments from both of you. KDS, have you at least heard the Youngblood song, What You Do To Me ? Opinions are mixed on that one, but I always thought that it would have been a hit if released as a Beach Boys single. I love that one. Carl sounds absolutely incredible on it. Probably my favorite Carl solo song. Up there with Heaven.

My favorite solo albums...

1) Pacific Ocean Blue (No doubt about it. An all-time favorite of mine. Along with another POB - Plastic Ono Band)

2) BW '88

3) That Lucky Old Sun (tough choice - I'm also a big WIRWFC fan and BWPS is up there too, as is Bambu)
2  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike Love - Unleash the Love - Due November 17 - w/ 2nd Disc of BB Remakes on: Yesterday at 08:15:51 AM
Unfortunately, unless the license has specific restrictions on what songs he could play (and it clearly doesn't; he's done everything from "Duke of Earl" to "Fire Brigade" to Christian Love songs to Mike solo songs, and everything in between), then any touring outfit can perform anything they want. So yeah, technically Mike could do *nothing but* solo songs at his "Beach Boys" shows.

I'm not sure if the little club gig Mike did the other night was billed as "The Beach Boys." But again, as long as any revenue is properly paid to BRI according to the licensing agreement, Mike can do a little club show as "The Beach Boys" and do all or mostly "solo" songs.

Sorry, but this is very hard to believe. What isn't so hard to believe is that BRI simply allows it to happen - not that they don't have any recourse under the licensing agreement. BRI owns the trademark. They have a say in how it is used. Where do you think this complaint came from?

From a December 1999 Rolling Stone piece:
complaint: “Much of Jardine’s repertoire with
Beach Boys Family and Friends include many songs that the Beach Boys do not
regularly play in concert, songs [that] are about many issues that are not traditionally
associated with the Beach Boys, i.e. cars, surf, girls and fun.”


I don’t know why Mike doesn’t just come out and flat out say that these rules don’t apply to him.  I mean his actions clearly prove that is his mindset, but he should just be explicitly say it. He could have “hypocrite“ baseball caps printed up that he could wear on the tour.

Maybe because they do apply to him? BRI just lets him off the hook.
3  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: The Beatles Survivor #13: Abbey Road on: November 21, 2017, 05:02:08 PM
Carry That Weight
4  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike Love - Unleash the Love - Due November 17 - w/ 2nd Disc of BB Remakes on: November 21, 2017, 11:38:58 AM
They've removed *all* negative reviews on the album's Amazon page, including the substantive, non-trolling reviews.

Yes, indirectly.
5  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike Love - Unleash the Love - Due November 17 - w/ 2nd Disc of BB Remakes on: November 21, 2017, 10:25:20 AM
If amazon is removing negative reviews indiscriminately, then I have a major problem with that. If they're simply removing all non-verified reviews, then I'm not convinced that it's the wrong thing to do (theoretically, though I'd like consistency across the board).

Just for the fun of it, I checked out some recent releases...

Playback (22 of 25 customer reviews were verified purchases)
Sunshine Tomorrow (71 of 81 customer reviews were verified purchases)
BW and Friends (59 of 66 customer reviews were verified purchases)

and then there was Unleash The Love (5 of 26 customer reviews were verified purchases)

I also checked out Brian and Mike's books and found that a higher percentage of Mike's reviews were non-verified, including, 24 of 30 reviews between 1-2 stars. Obviously, Mike is a polarizing guy and not all non-verified reviews represent people who didn't otherwise have access to the product, but I couldn't help but notice the discrepancy. I also wouldn't be too concerned that an inflated 4 1/2 star UTL rating will trick many buyers. How many of you would have great confidence in buying a product with only 5 reviews? And all positive? I'm not 'buying' that. And this only applies to those potential buyers who factor in the reviews at all. Anyway, I'm just throwing those numbers out there, partly because I wonder what we'd lose if Amazon did away with non-verified reviews entirely. It's a balancing act, for sure.
6  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: The Beatles Survivor #13: Abbey Road on: November 19, 2017, 05:59:37 PM
Carry That Weight
7  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: The Beatles Survivor #13: Abbey Road on: November 19, 2017, 08:29:54 AM
Quote
It's the song that pushed John into leaving the Beatles for good.
Source? I recall there being many reasons. Beatles split is complex issue.

Maxwell was recorded August 6. It was the last Beatles session John attended for a song that wasn't his. It was the most expensive recording the Beatles ever made which angered Lennon further. Ringo said that sessions for the song were the most horrible sessions he ever worked on. George couldn't stand the song either. The recording of this song was a microcosm of every COMPLEX reason the Beatles split. It was the figurative cornerstone that collapsed over their heads as a group. No citations needed. Do some research. Smiley

Paul broke up the Beatles. The end. Old Man
8  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: The Beatles Survivor #13: Abbey Road on: November 19, 2017, 08:21:27 AM
It works really well within the context of the medley, but it's not something I seek out on its own. The other fragments I find more interesting. It borrows too much from You Never Give Me Your Money for me to vote off another song in its place...

Carry That Weight
9  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike Love - Unleash the Love - Due November 17 - w/ 2nd Disc of BB Remakes on: November 17, 2017, 10:06:07 PM
I want to hear what Brian and Al have to say about the album.
10  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike Love - Unleash the Love - Due November 17 - w/ 2nd Disc of BB Remakes on: November 17, 2017, 11:21:16 AM
"Lookin' at Tomorrow" from the 1983 tour is pretty hot; would love to have a soundboard of this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bv77kR-l5mc

Wow, that was cool! Impressive.
11  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: New Beach Boys Podcast! on: November 15, 2017, 08:51:42 PM
I listened as well, nice job! It's obvious that you guys are knowledgeable fans and being musicians yourselves I think will add another layer to the discussion. It also probably enhances your level of appreciation for the group, for sure. Wyatt's #10 pick had me thinking about all the good/great music that didn't make it on either of your lists! You could have an episode (or two or three) just discussing those overlooked moments...


... New episodes every Monday! 

Thanks for the heads up.
12  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Paley Sessions Discussion Thread on: November 15, 2017, 03:38:58 PM
I wonder if Carl was thinking that the Paley stuff sounded TOO vintage sounding,too 60's and maybe thought they sounded dated..of course that's the part of the songs I like best and I hope Brian does one more Wall of sound 60's sounding CD soon..it seem Carl was into the more mello A&R type stuff in line with Chicago and Christopher Cross while the BB were doing songs with heavy drum machines, heavy synths and heavy guitars..the Paley stuff sounded more like Today or Summer Days/Nights than Problem Child,...




I'm trying to picture Carl yelling: More Problem Child! Less Today-sounding tunes!

Stars & Stripes! Stars & Stripes!
13  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread! on: November 15, 2017, 12:32:49 PM
Can anybody tell me what those girls are yelling to Brian on the live version of Gettin' Hungry on disc 2 of Sunshine Tomorrow? My ears have been failing me lately. Sounds like "hey Brian how's your dad?" or "hey Brian how's your dog?". Silly question, I know...

According to Ebb and Flow, Brian "had been photographed a lot with Louie and Banana for teen magazines in '66".

http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,25135.msg613590.html#msg613590
14  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: The Beatles Survivor #13: Abbey Road on: November 14, 2017, 01:07:04 PM
This one's actually going to be a tough round, since I tend to think of much of Side 2 as one piece, especially Golden Slumbers / Carry That Weight / The End.

Agreed. The medley songs will suffer a bit (IMO) for being broken up, but it would be even more unfair to only vote on the medley as a whole! She Came In Through The Bathroom Window is probably the only one that won't be hurt by being judged on its own (and maybe The End, and perhaps Golden Slumbers). I have no idea how I'm going to vote beyond Her Majesty. Gonna listen to Abbey Road a few times in the coming days to work it out!

It won't be so hard to vote for Dig It or Maggie Mae next round  Grin Though, as a huge Beatles fan, I just about love it all.
15  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike Love - Unleash the Love - Due November 17 - w/ 2nd Disc of BB Remakes on: November 14, 2017, 12:14:49 PM
B.E. you're correct

There you go. You stopped making sense after that point.
16  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike Love - Unleash the Love - Due November 17 - w/ 2nd Disc of BB Remakes on: November 14, 2017, 11:05:52 AM
If Mike thought Brian and Al had tarnished his reputation and the legacy of the Beach Boys by doing solo works that happened to be very well received by the critics and fans, what is Mike doing in 2017 with these remakes being presented with those hints of "The Beach Boys" and slapping that logo on the work?

I think most fans who are aware of the 2005 lawsuit and his comments on autotune acknowledge that Mike is being hypocritical. I don't see people defending him on those points. As you expressed in your previous post, Mike probably feels like it's okay for him to do it because he IS the Beach Boys, in his mind. That he is the face of the Beach Boys, and that he has earned that by touring as the Beach Boys for decades. I can understand the rationalization (not that I agree).

17  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike Love - Unleash the Love - Due November 17 - w/ 2nd Disc of BB Remakes on: November 14, 2017, 10:26:12 AM
- I can’t get over how odd it is to re-record ‘Brians Back’ but it’s the best sounding sample I’ve heard thus far.

- comparatively the first disc seems like it will be a fun listen...I’m not a fan of the production at all but at least it’ll be original songs with a new sound to offer.

I know I commented on this already and alluded to this, but Brian's Back was included among the First Love songs and the Unleash The Love songs circa-2004, so in that sense, I'm not surprised (and therefore don't find it that odd) that it's included. I actually find it far more odd that Getcha Back is included on disc 1. I mean, Getcha Back is a hit Beach Boys song and probably the most popular late period Beach Boys song after Kokomo, and he's including it among the 'originals' disk and not the 'BBs re-records' disc. Bizarre.

- I really wonder what Mike’s intention is with recording all these songs.

Well, it's been mentioned that perhaps disc 2 was more-or-less a contractual obligation (ah, HeyJude beat me to it). That there could have been a tie-in with his book and that in order to release his original songs he'd have to release BBs titles as well. That's possible. But not knowing for sure, I just view it as an aging musician getting one last chance for a major release and including as much on it as possible. He's probably wanted to release some of these songs for decades and perhaps at some point also wanted to release his touring band performing BBs songs so this is what we get (and as guitarfool just said, Mike remakes BBs songs, it's what he does). I wouldn't underestimate releasing music just to release it. It's been a long time, hasn't it? It's too bad if proper care wasn't taken in the process (e.g. lazy use of autotune). Could it just be about the money? Possibly, but I don't think it's ever that simple. He sees Brian (and other '60s groups) releasing product, on some level, I'd think he'd want to prove that he can too. And, yes, of course he uses the BBs name to further his solo career as much as he possibly can. I've stated my position on those issues previously.



... Should this place be more positive oriented? Yes. ...


Agreed.

That would be pleasant.
18  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: The Beatles Survivor #13: Abbey Road on: November 14, 2017, 09:26:41 AM
KDS, if it makes you feel better, they weren't done recording yet. I Me Mine was recorded in 1970 and the Let It Be single was worked on rather significantly in 1970 as well. I think the Let It Be and Long and Winding Road (US) singles were as good of an ending, thematically, as you could get. But, I see your point, I've often gone back and forth on whether I think Her Majesty should have been included at all, and I probably lean 'No'. McCartney probably would have included it on his first solo album (or it may have ended up on the Anthology). I also love the "I hope we passed the audition" ending to their recording career. Absolutely love it. It never gets old for me and I think it's fitting that John get the last say since he started it all back in 1957 and that they did so laughing and having fun because it was otherwise quite sad for the fans!
19  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: The Beatles Survivor #13: Abbey Road on: November 14, 2017, 09:04:56 AM
Well, Her Majesty is a pretty nice song, but it doesn't have a lot to say...

Her Majesty

By the way, I'm really glad they decided that it didn't work within the medley and just tacked it onto the end (inadvertently). I know it's easy to say when you're used to it being a certain way, but I really don't think it works between Mean Mr. Mustard and Polythene Pam.

Also, interesting to note that it was a 'secret' song originally. The tracklist ended with, 'The End'. I think they should have kept it that way.
20  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike Love - Unleash the Love - Due November 17 - w/ 2nd Disc of BB Remakes on: November 12, 2017, 11:13:19 PM
CD, I'd be more inclined to agree with you (and indeed I would) if Mike had written the song in 2017. THAT would be weird! Personally, I'd prefer Mike release new, original material and not previously released Beach Boys songs (we have two versions of Brian's Back already), but I get it...it's Mike's song, it was well-intended, he's fond of it, it's probably one of his best...so he's including it on his solo album (he only has so many songs to choose from). Not that far-fetched. I was reading an old thread and it was mentioned that Brian played piano on one of the sessions (MIU) and attempted to produce another (LA), so I don't think Brian had a problem with the song. He probably liked it (has he ever commented on it?). I realize that circumstances have changed but when I think of (or listen to) the song 'Brian's Back', I'm thinking circa-1976, not 2012. That makes sense, right? That doesn't seem weird to me. And it's not like circumstances weren't troubling then, either. A lot of sh*t went down in the '70s (and ever since)! But, the song was the song.

And now I will go back to not thinking about 'Brian's Back' for a long, long time.
21  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike Love - Unleash the Love - Due November 17 - w/ 2nd Disc of BB Remakes on: November 12, 2017, 04:54:22 PM
Carl Wilson will be making a vocal appearance on the album… https://twitter.com/MikeLoveOFCL/status/929855756857430017

Is that photo of Mike and Brian shooting hoops published elsewhere? I don't remember seeing it before. It appears near the end of the preview.

Unfortunately, Mike sounds like a robot on most of his lines. I can't imagine it being necessary to process Mike's vocals like that. It's especially jarring alongside Carl's non-robotic vocals.
22  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian records Weezer tribute featuring Al and... Mike??? on: November 12, 2017, 07:24:50 AM
It's a joke. This is how the site describes itself: "This website is an entertainment website, news are created by users. These are humourous news, fantasy, fictional, that should not be seriously taken or as a source of information".
23  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: The Beatles Survivor #12 Winner: HELTER SKELTER on: November 10, 2017, 07:22:48 AM
Might it be better to include Only A Northern Song, All Together Now, Hey Bulldog, and It’s All Too Much with the rest of the later period Past Masters? Just an idea.
24  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike Love - Unleash the Love - Due November 17 - w/ 2nd Disc of BB Remakes on: November 09, 2017, 05:38:55 PM
Let’s move on from this.
25  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Heard Another One on Sirrius XM Deep Tracks... on: November 09, 2017, 11:55:19 AM
Mike will be on the Elvis Channel (Channel 19) tomorrow, November 2, at 1:30 Central Time. He will also do a guest DJ slot.

I know that the interview segment is up on Mike's facebook, but does anyone know the Elvis songs that Mike selected as the guest DJ? I'd be interested to find out!


So, I've been listening to Petty's "Buried Treasure" show...heard Farmer's Daughter, Friends, and Surf's Up tonight.

It's nice to hear his voice.

^since then I've heard Shut Down P.2., Let Him Run Wild, Forever, Long Promised Road, Feel Flows, You Need A Mess Of Help To Stand Alone, Marcella, and Sail On Sailor.

Tom name-checked the Carl & the Passions - So Tough album both times and also encouraged record collectors to listen to the b-sides because the BBs 'always had something good' on the b-side. Just, generally, had a lot of very nice things to say about the Beach Boys, including their lesser known earlier material and the late '60s -early '70s period.
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