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1  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Politics: 2016 Lame Duck and 2017 New Administration on: Today at 12:09:24 PM
I think the name and face of mass shooters should not be reported. Every other scrap of information should be available, but not the person's name or face. That information really isn't important. We see it, then it fades.
2  Smiley Smile Stuff / Polls / Re: Discuss Every Beach Boys Song Day By Day on: Today at 07:40:02 AM
1. Mike’s vocals are really awful and nasally. Why was this song ever a hit?

The combination of Chuck Berry's songwriting and the Beach Boys "oohs' and "ahhs". It's the Surfin' USA effect. That's what people wanted to hear!

And I disagree with KDS, it rocks. Mike's nasal vocal is the only drawback for me, but it works just well enough. I love the "rock, roll, rockin' and roll" bit.


JK I think that’s the first time I’ve seen you not give a song 5 stars Shocked

Yeah, it seems extra harsh coming from JK  LOL
3  Smiley Smile Stuff / Polls / Re: Discuss Every Beach Boys Song Day By Day on: Yesterday at 07:15:42 PM
Today's song is My Love Lives On.

I love this song. I listen to it often. It should have been released in the '70s. No overdubs needed. If not on a Beach Boys album, he could have included it on Bambu. I think it would have been a great closer.

4  Smiley Smile Stuff / 'Rank the Tracks' / Re: Rank the tracks #3: Surfer Girl on: Yesterday at 06:23:09 PM
Surfer Girl

Here's my rankings based purely on personal taste...

1. Surfer Girl
2. Little Deuce Coupe
3. In My Room
4. Hawaii
5. Catch A Wave

6. Our Car Club
7. Surfer's Rule
8. Your Summer Dream
9. The Surfer Moon

10. The Rocking Surfer
11. Boogie Woodie

12. South Bay Surfer
5  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: WIBN in final (?) Nancy comic strip on: February 20, 2018, 09:11:46 AM
Yes, we have a few people who make constant negative comments about Mike.

Some posters revel in it. It shouldn't be surprising that some find it toxic.
6  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: The Beatles Survivor #15: Past Masters Vol. 2 on: February 19, 2018, 05:25:24 PM
Only A Northern Song

The Ballad of John and Yoko (I hate voting for it, but what choice do I have?)

We need a tie breaker between Inner Light and Old Brown Shoe.
Did you mean "Only A Northern Song"? "Old Brown  Shoe" is Twickenham Tribe which you counted as such in the Round 2:

Yes, at the time there was a tie between The Inner Light and Only A Northern Song. It worked out.
7  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Al Jardine - 2018 Tour Thread - Postcards Storytellers Tour on: February 18, 2018, 08:54:00 AM
Does Al address the origins of Lookin' At Tomorrow?
8  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: So what did we all do today? on: February 15, 2018, 08:25:22 PM
Chocolate Shake Man, what country do you live in?
9  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: So what did we all do today? on: February 15, 2018, 07:29:17 PM
Even if all gun manufacturers in the country were shut down, aren't there already hundreds of millions of guns in the country? Couldn't more just be smuggled in?
10  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: The Beatles Survivor #15: Past Masters Vol. 2 on: February 15, 2018, 06:14:00 PM
Only A Northern Song

Old Brown Shoe
11  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: The Beatles Survivor #15: Past Masters Vol. 2 on: February 11, 2018, 10:45:00 AM
It's All Too Much

You Know My Name (Look Up The Number)

I struggled with whether or not we should include "Let It Be" and "Across the Universe" since they were already included in Let It Be (albeit different versions). I have decided to only include Across the universe since Let It Be was the winner of Survivor#14 and it wouldn't look good cosmetically if we had two versions of the same song as potential contestants in BEATLES SUPER SURVIVOR where we will pit all the winners against each other in a final showdown.

I agree. The charity album version of Across The Universe on Past Masters is significantly different from the Let It Be version. But, where's Don't Let Me Down!?
12  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: NBA 2018 Topic on: February 08, 2018, 02:02:44 PM
Wow, so the Cavs traded Thomas, Rose, Wade, Crowder, Frye, Shumpert, and their 1st round pick today.  LOL

Kinda funny how they traded expiring contracts to the Lakers so the Lakers can go after LeBron in the offseason.

I really buy into LeBron wanting to go west to "protect" his win/loss finals record. I wouldn't mind if he joined the Spurs, but I doubt that's the most likely destination. Makes a lot of sense, though.  

I like the Knicks trading McDermott for Mudiay (and swapping 2nd round picks). Nice move. Doesn't quite make up for not playing Hernangomez all year and then trading him for 2nd rounders. Especially in the wake of KP's injury...

Looking forward to The Decision part 2, remember this:

13  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: 1967: The Beach Boys vs. The Beatles on: February 06, 2018, 09:54:10 PM
Great stuff, guitarfool! Thanks!
14  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Do you have any regrets? on: February 06, 2018, 09:52:09 PM

Feeling black and blue?
15  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: The Beatles Survivor #14: Let It Be on: February 02, 2018, 06:49:44 AM
I Me Mine
16  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: The Beatles Survivor #14: Let It Be on: January 30, 2018, 05:31:58 PM
Sorry, I haven't been able to vote in recent rounds...too hard to decide! I'll be back, eventually.

Anyway, is it just me or is Paul's vocal on the Let It Be version of The Long And Winding Road the worst Beatles lead vocal ever?! if you listen closely, it's clear how much he's struggling. He actually sounds old, at times. This version is from Jan. 26, 1969 and is also available on Anthology 3 without Spector's changes. I find the version on Let It Be...Naked to be vastly superior, vocally. That was the final take on Jan. 31st (which also appeared in the film). The 26th was just a run through, it wasn't a final attempt to record the definitive version, and it shows. John's bass playing is also far better on the ...Naked version.
17  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: 1968: The Beach Boys vs. The Beatles on: January 30, 2018, 02:07:03 PM
One of the things I love most about the Beatles and the Beach Boys is the diversity and sheer volume of their catalogues. At any given moment there's a Beatles or Beach Boys song or album that I could enjoy. The Beach Boys, alone, have numerous albums that are one-of-a-kind. I celebrate that. It doesn't surprise me in the least that someone could prefer Smiley Smile or Wild Honey to Magical Mystery Tour or Sgt Peppers. They are totally different and when you're in the mood for one nothing else will do. Same for Friends and The Beatles. In this spirit, 1968 is the easiest year for me. It's the nearly 2 hours worth of music released by the Beatles! This isn't strictly an album vs album thread. Its about the total yearly output. So, in other words, the individual songs, themselves. I didn't punish the Beach Boys for releasing "filler" tracks, so I'm not going to punish the Beatles either. After all, who has final say on what's filler or not? I love a lot of songs that are casually dismissed by many people as filler, but I'm sure as hell glad that I get to enjoy them! I think it's fair to say that perhaps the '63-66 Beach Boys had higher highs, but lower lows. That the Beatles were more consistent. In the late 60's the tables turn to an extent.

As much as I love Friends (and I love it more every day), the Beatles were simply too prolific in 1968. Furthermore, if I had to choose, The Beatles is probably my favorite Beatles album. So, there's that... Wink
18  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: 1968: The Beach Boys vs. The Beatles on: January 30, 2018, 12:04:00 PM
Funny thing though, a couple years ago I would’ve equated ‘Revolution #9’ with ‘Transcendental Meditation’ in terms of how both songs kinda jolted and irritated me from the vibe of both albums. But after years of hating it, now I really dig ‘TM’, though I don’t think anything will help me appreciate ‘Revolution #9’.

TM is an actual song while R9 is pretentious garbage.  

When I first got into the Friends album, I didn't care for TM as it didn't seem to fit on the album, but taken on its own, I think it's a pretty good song.  

Yeah, I guess I should’ve classified R9 as a track instead of a song.

I used to hate hearing TM end the album, but its kinda funny in a way how backwards the whole song is to itself and the album. The whole Friends album is quiet and peaceful, a real chill trip, likewise the act of TM is meant to be quiet and peaceful, yet that song just jolts you from that peace, and its core message is about peace yet it sounds like a trainwreck (decibel wise, that is). Instead of being annoyed I kinda chuckle when Friends comes to close with that has its own little charm.

I was going to say the exact same thing! I've actually taken to listening to Friends lately when I'm feeling stressed. I put it on late at night, in the dark, and it calms me to sleep...until TM wakes me up like a night terror!  LOL
19  Smiley Smile Stuff / Polls / Re: Discuss Every Beach Boys Song Day By Day on: January 26, 2018, 10:26:40 AM
I like that guitar part, too.
Now we're 3 liking it. Bottom line? Great minds think alike! 3D

 Thumbs Up
20  Smiley Smile Stuff / Polls / Re: Discuss Every Beach Boys Song Day By Day on: January 26, 2018, 08:47:38 AM
Today's song is Wouldn't It Be Nice To Live Again.


That three-note guitar ostinato really builds up the tension.

I like that guitar part, too. I think it's cool how it continues underneath Dennis's lead vocal. The first time I heard it, it reminded me of Dear Prudence and the sustained backing vocal which continued into the second part of the second and fourth verses.

21  Smiley Smile Stuff / Polls / Re: Discuss Every Beach Boys Song Day By Day on: January 25, 2018, 02:19:18 PM
Thanks for the response B.E., I checked Jon Stebbin’s FAQ book and the only thing different from my version was that Carl (not the entire band) was the one who wanted the album to close with ‘Surf’s Up’ and not WIBNTLA. There wasn’t a concrete answer to why Dennis pulled his songs from the album, but it’s safe to assume that WIBNTLA not being chosen as the closer was a good reason.

I’ve seen a couple really good alternate tracklists for Surf’s Up that include Dennis’ contributions, and man they really do blow the actual released album out of the water (though I still love the released album a lot).

I need to get that POB book, right now the funds aren’t too cool as I’m trying to save some money. But hopefully I can set aside some to purchase that, it sounds phenomenal.

Yeah, the funds weren't too cool on this end either, but I missed out on The Real Beach Boy and couldn't bear the thought of missing out again!

If I ever create an alternate Surf's Up tracklist, I like the idea of closing side 1 with WIBN(TLA) and closing side 2 with Surf's Up. Epic!

Also, in the POB book, Shapiro recalls the altercation being specifically between Dennis and Carl (and probably Mike). Though, Stan wasn't there.
22  Smiley Smile Stuff / Polls / Re: Discuss Every Beach Boys Song Day By Day on: January 25, 2018, 01:51:56 PM
Carl’s voice is godlike on this.

This was for the Surf’s Up album right? Would love to have seen Surf’s Up become a double album with all of Dennis’ contributions added.

I agree. It's kind of shocking that none of Dennis' songs were included on Surf's Up after all his contributions to the previous three albums. What's up with that?

From what I understand there was a dispute about what songs should close out the album, Dennis wanted ‘Wouldn’t It Be Nice To Live Again’ to close it out, the band wanted ‘Surf’s Up’ to close it out, when the band didn’t give in Dennis pulled all his songs in protest I guess.

I tried to use the search function to find a more concrete answer for this, but the search function on this website sucks - I’m sure you can find the answer that way, but it will take some digging.

Yeah, I wouldn't spend too much time searching through old threads for more info on that story. That's pretty much it. I'd love to know how hard the band tried to change his mind or why they didn't simply overrule him. They didn't seem to have a problem releasing Smile material without Brian's blessing. At the time, Dennis probably had ambitions of releasing a solo album, so that may have been a major reason why he'd pull his songs (if they weren't featured the way he'd like) and the band would let him. Still, on some level, I'd think Carl, Mike, Al, and Bruce were all more interested in making sure their own material was released. In a way, it really was their 'white album' period (sorry for the relentless Beatles references, but I only have two points of reference Wink). I'm a big Dennis fan, so it always bummed me out that Dennis wasn't featured on Surf's Up or In Concert or KTSA. I still haven't got around to reading Ken Sharp's POB book yet, so maybe there will be more there. I skimmed it and read Stan Shapiro's recollections of WIBN(TLA), but there's nothing there to contradict rab2591's summary (the book looks incredible, btw).

I gave 4th of July a 3. It feels slightly unfinished to me. It had the potential to be a strong 4, IMO. I'd love some backing vocals in the chorus and I think Carl's double-tracked vocal is too loud in the mix.  I love the backing track, especially the sparse outro beginning at 2:02. That's pure Dennis. Actually, it's similar in effect to the Don't Go Near The Water tag. For that reason, I don't think I'd place those tracks back to back. I'm still not sure how I feel about the Surf's Up album. I seem to want to tinker with it and "fix" it more than simply admire it. The mixes of some songs on Surf's Up and L.A. really distract me. I'm not a big fan of Jack Rieley's lyrics. Don't get me wrong, for the most part it works, but then there's a line or two here or there that really bring me out of the song.
23  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Beach Boys singles on: January 23, 2018, 01:17:22 PM
This is a thread to discuss anything pertaining to Beach Boys singles.

I had an extensive vinyl collection passed down to me, but I mostly grew up on CDs. Also, my vinyl collection consisted almost entirely of LPs. So, I'm curious to hear any thoughts, observations, or memories that fans have of the Beach Boys singles. How often did you flip over the 45 and listen to the B-side? Generally speaking, were B-sides largely ignored in the 60s? the 70s? Do you have a favorite single? Is Wouldn't It Be Nice/God Only Knows the greatest single ever? In hindsight, what should the Beach Boys have done differently, if anything?  And so on...

The Beach Boys certainly weren't consistent in their approach. I think it's cool, and rather amazing, that immediately following Surfin'/Luau the Beach Boys start releasing what are essentially double A-side concept singles with Surfin' Safari/409, Surfin' USA/Shut Down, and Surfer Girl/Little Deuce Coupe. Then, as they drop the surf/car concept, the quality remains high on both sides (many of the B-sides chart and are fan favorites to this day). Meanwhile, many B-sides throughout the mid-late 60s cease being contemporary releases and are instead pulled from previous albums. I'm not sure how anyone could hold a favorable opinion of this practice. Then, later on they get really confused and just start releasing Susie Cincinnatti over and over Grin. In all seriousness, I have competing views in what I appreciate in singles. On one hand, I appreciate the quality of both sides. The 'double A-side' approach. On the other, I appreciate that the B-side is a perfect place to release those odd gems that may not otherwise find a home on an album and certainly not an A-side. Either way, the less re-releasing of songs (particularly the same mix!) and the greater continuity between sides, the better. By continuity, I mean, Surfin'/Luau work better together than Barbara Ann/Girl Don't Tell Me. Those Party! songs should not have been paired with non-Party! productions. Then, there's Caroline No and Gettin' Hungry being released as solo singles and Beach Boys album tracks, which defies logic. How cool is it that they released "You're Welcome" as a B-side? A little glimpse into Smile at a time when the music was almost entirely a mystery. The Break Away/Celebrate The News single was a great non-album release for the fans and while I always considered it a deep cut, Break Away did get some pretty serious exposure when it was included on Spirit Of America. Then, there's the Beach Boys lone EP, 'Four By The Beach Boys'. Typical of the times it was just a collection of previously released album tracks (awesome as the were). I wish the Beach Boys experimented more with that format. I guess it wasn't popular enough in the US? It's cool that they released 'Mount Vernon and Fairway' as a bonus EP with Holland. When Brian and the Beach Boys started to struggle putting together full length albums, why not simply focus on the shorter EP format. I understand that that's just not how it was and if they weren't selling at the time, they weren't selling, but still, I think about it. Some of the Sunflower 'contender' songs weren't released for many years, if at all, what would it have hurt to release an EP? I'd much prefer a Still Cruisin' EP than that ridiculous compilation masquerading as a studio album. Lately, I've been thinking about Smile. When it became clear that an LP was never going to be completed, why not narrow your focus to an EP? I realize that Brian was having serious trouble just completing Heroes and Villains, but I can't help think about how the Beatles would be experimenting with format by releasing a double-EP of new material in 1967. Does anyone think a Smile EP would have gone unnoticed? I realize that I've wandered entirely into 'what if' scenarios that some posters hate, but still, I can't help thinking about it.

So, any thoughts on the Beach Boys singles? Like why the f*ck were they re-releasing Here Today as the B-side to Darlin'? Did they think It's OK might catch on again like Come Go With Me had? Re-releasing that was another bizarre move. It's not like they didn't have unreleased material they could have used instead.

Edit: Cool, Cool Water never sounded like an A-side to me. I like it a lot, but I'm not surprised that it failed to chart. Alternatively, Slip On Through sounds far more radio friendly, but I could be wrong. I wasn't around.
24  Smiley Smile Stuff / 'Rank the Tracks' / Re: Rank the tracks #18: Carl and the Passions - 'So Tough' on: January 22, 2018, 07:54:16 PM
Carl and the Passions – "So Tough"

Here's my rankings based purely on personal taste...

1. Marcella
2. Cuddle Up
3. All This Is That
4. You Need A Mess Of Help To Stand Alone

5. He Come Down
6. Hold On, Dear Brother
7. Make It Good

8. Here She Comes
25  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: 1966: The Beach Boys vs. The Beatles on: January 22, 2018, 12:45:22 PM
But hey, have at it folks.

Thank you. Your objections are noted.
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