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1  Smiley Smile Stuff / The Beach Boys Media / Excerpt from "Good Vibrations-Brian Wilson & Beach Boys in Critical Perspective" on: March 11, 2019, 08:10:37 AM
Pray For Surf posted an excerpt from the recently released book edited by Philip Lambert (Professor of Music and serious Beach Boys fan)

https://prayforsurfblog.blogspot.com/2019/03/exclusive-excerpt-from-good-vibrations.html
2  Smiley Smile Stuff / Book Reviews / Good Vibrations - Brian Wilson and the Beach Boys in Critical Perspective on: March 11, 2019, 07:41:51 AM
Pray For Surf is honored to present an excerpt from "Good Vibrations: - Brian Wilson and the Beach Boys in Critical Perspective"

Edited by Philip Lambert, author of "Inside the Music of Brian Wilson" and Professor of Music at Baruch College and the Graduate Center City, University of New York

Excerpt >>>  https://prayforsurfblog.blogspot.com/2019/03/exclusive-excerpt-from-good-vibrations.html

Book Contents

Part I: Musical  Commentaries

1.    “Brian Comes Alive”: Celebrity, Performance, and the Limitations of Biography  in Lyric Reading  3
kirk curnutt

2.   Pet Sound  Effects  31
daniel  harrison

3.   Brian Wilson’s Harmonic Language  63
philip lambert

Part II: Historical Inquiries

4.   Summer of ’64  105
keir keightley

5.   When I Grow Up: The Beach Boys’ Early Music  137
jadey o’regan

6.   Into the Mystic? The Undergrounding of Brian Wilson, 1964–1967 168
dale  carter

7.   Good Reverberations  189
philip lambert

Part III: Smile

8.   Fandom and Ontology  in Smile 215
andrew flory

9.   A Listener’s Smile 242
larry starr
3  Smiley Smile Stuff / Book Reviews / Re: Why The Beach Boys Matter by Tom Smucker on: January 11, 2019, 06:50:59 AM
Found WTBBM here:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07GSHPJNW/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1

This book showed up on my Amazon page not too long ago. Sounds really interesting -- especially curious to see something focused on how public perception changed with pop culture over time.
4  Smiley Smile Stuff / Book Reviews / Why The Beach Boys Matter by Tom Smucker on: January 10, 2019, 07:09:37 AM
Provocative interview with “Why The Bach Boys Natter” author, Tom Smucket; a passionate fan with perceptive questions.

https://prayforsurfblog.blogspot.com/2019/01/interview-why-beach-boys-matter-with.html
5  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Podcast with Mark Dillon: The Heroes & Villains Of Beach Boys History on: January 08, 2019, 04:17:57 PM
Just uploaded – Part 2 of my conversation with Mark Dillon (Fifty Sides of The Beach Boys) on the heroes and the villains in the life and history of The Beach Boys.

Part 2
https://www.facebook.com/groups/BeachBoysOurPrayer/permalink/10156928350192152/

Part 1
https://prayforsurfblog.blogspot.com/2018/11/podcast-heroes-villains-part-1.html?q=Mark+Moore
6  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / SMiLE: Mark Dillon (Fifty Sides) re-reconstructs track listing on: May 09, 2018, 10:52:19 AM
Construction or Conjecture? "This is SMiLE? Could this have been the original track-by-track sequence of The Beach Boys' 1967 SMiLE LP?"

Podcast Interview ~ HEAR HERE >>>
https://prayforsurfblog.blogspot.com/2018/05/this-is-smile-could-this-have-been.html

You may not agree with Mark but his reasoning compels consideration . . .

Side 1

Our Prayer

Heroes and Villains Part 1

Heroes and Villains Part 2

Barnyard

The Old Master Painter/You Are My Sunshine

Do You Like Worms

Cabinessence

Good Vibrations

Side 2

I'm in Great Shape

Vege-tables

Wind Chimes

Mrs. O'Leary's Cow

Cool, Cool Water

Wonderful

Child Is Father of the Man

Surf's Up

You're Welcome (maybe?)
7  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Beach Boys Humor Album on: April 09, 2018, 03:11:34 PM
"Battle Hymn" would presumably be in the "funny because it's bad" category. I have to say, while the BB's may individually have been funny guys in real life/in person, I've *rarely* laughed at anything they've said, done, or recorded.

I guess if beauty is in the eye of the beholder, it make sense that humor is in the ear of the hearer 😏
8  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Beach Boys Humor Album on: April 09, 2018, 11:31:47 AM
Drive In is a must, if only for the visual of the drive-in authorities chasing violators. Always makes me laugh. County Fair (loser!, ooooh!) is also pretty funny. And then there's Battle Hymn of the Republic.

DI and CF were both included - good choices.

BHOTR? Please unpack that ...
9  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / The Beach Boys Humor Album on: April 07, 2018, 06:34:00 PM
PRAY FOR SURF PODCAST

The Beach Boys "Humor Album"

 
Phil Miglioratti and Mark Dillon (author, "50 Sides of The Beach Boys") discuss the role of humor in the Beach Boys music. Each have selected an album's worth of songs ("Monster Mash")  , skits ("George Fell Into His French Horn"), and statements ("Cost too much") that put a SMiLE on your face. They approach humor as "a state of mind" that brings laughter or amusement and, in the case of the Beach Boys, allows them to poking fun, even at themselves.


Mark's list includes "Chug-A-Lug" and "Johnny Carson" while Phil's includes "'Cassius' Love vs 'Sonny' Wilson" and "Vegetables."

Note: Before the humor discussion, they discuss Phil's review of the 4/2/2018 Al Jardine concert (posted on PrayForSurfBlog

Spoiler ALERT: Mark's and Phil's "Humor Album" tracklists are available in the comment section.

Invitation: Please comment with your feedback and/or additional tracks

{ Rare Beach Boys videos @ www.YouTube.com/BB45s }

Hear here>>>
https://prayforsurfblog.blogspot.com/2018/04/podcast-beach-boys-humor-album-with.html
10  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Podcast with Jeffrey Foskett, Philip Bardowell, Chuck Girard, Dan Addington on: December 24, 2017, 07:59:30 AM
THANK you‼️
11  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Podcast with Jeffrey Foskett, Philip Bardowell, Chuck Girard, Dan Addington on: December 22, 2017, 01:14:42 PM
Sorry ... trying to use the coding feature ...

Code:
https://ia601505.us.archive.org/6/items/OurPrayesDec192017/Our%20Prayes%20Dec%2019%202017.mp3

Or,
copy URL below, then click on photo top left:
PrayForSurfBlog.blogspot.com

Hope you can connect!
Phil
12  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Podcast with Jeffrey Foskett, Philip Bardowell, Chuck Girard, Dan Addington on: December 22, 2017, 09:50:31 AM
"Our Prayers ~ As Inspired by The Beach Boys"

Phil Miglioratti invited Jeffrey Foskett (The Beach Boys; Brian Wilson Band), Philip Bardowell (Beach Boys Band, Jan & Dean Band), Chuck Girard (Hondells lead singer, Love Song), and Dan Addington (early Dennis Wilson researcher) for a roundtable conversation on the spirituality of the music of The Beach Boys.

Focusing on their personal experiences, they discuss a surprising diversity of songs that include "God Only Knows," "When I Grow Up To Be A Man," "'Til I Die," "You Still Believe in Me," "The Ballad of Ole' Betsy" (no foolin'), "Let The Wind Blow," "Walking Down the Path of Life," "God Did It," "Little Bird," "Be Still, and "Dreamer."

Hear Here~>  
Code:
https://prayforsurfblog.blogspot.com/2017/12/pray-for-surf-our-prayers-as-inspired.html
13  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Podcast with Lead Singer of Hondells Cover of “Little Honda” on: December 03, 2017, 11:01:50 AM
Checked with Chuck and he indicated he was not at either the LDC or the NGS sessions.
14  Smiley Smile Stuff / The Beach Boys Media / Podcast with Co-Author of Thr Beach Boys Price Guide Book on: December 01, 2017, 04:32:44 PM

Get the exclusive back-stories as co-author/compiler Perry Cox unpacks astounding details of the how-and-why of this legacy sealing publication


"Kudos to these authors who have expressed their loyalty and love to 'America's Band' by taking the time to tabulate, organize and evaluate every single U.S. record release since their start in 1961 to the present day."     Jeffrey Foskett

http://prayforsurfblog.blogspot.com/2017/11/books-received-reference-guide-for.html
15  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Podcast with Lead Singer of Hondells Cover of “Little Honda” on: December 01, 2017, 03:10:05 PM
Phil Miglioratti interviews Chuck Girard about his singing career connections to Brian Wilson and The Beach Boys.

“I Do” recording session (Castells).
“The Lord’s Prayer” missed opportunity.
Nick Venet.   Gary Usher.   “My Buddy Seat.”
The Wrecking Crew.
The Beach Boys' "Why Do Fools Fall In Love?” Session
Gary Lewis & the Playboys. Hippies-LSD-Jesus.
“Rock & Roll Preacher

http://prayforsurfblog.blogspot.com/2017/11/pray-for-surf-podcast-chuck-girard.html
16  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: a CONVERSATION with DAVID BEARD: Jan & Dean's FIiet of Soul on: August 17, 2017, 04:31:45 PM
FINALLY - Here is a better link to my conversation with David Beard on Filet of Soul

https://ia601507.us.archive.org/34/items/DavidBeardAug102017/David%20Beard%20Aug%2010%202017.mp3



APOLOGIES to those who have been unsuccessful at listening to the podcast - working on an upload to another site - back asap,

Phil
17  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: a CONVERSATION with DAVID BEARD: Jan & Dean's FIiet of Soul on: August 13, 2017, 09:09:58 AM
APOLOGIES to those who have been unsuccessful at listening to the podcast - working on an upload to another site - back asap,

Phil
18  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / a CONVERSATION with DAVID BEARD: Jan & Dean's FIiet of Soul on: August 11, 2017, 01:45:03 PM
David Beard talks with Phil Miglioratti of Pray For Surf about the September 2017 release of the rejected Filet of Soul album by the Laurel & Hardy duo of Pop Music

The conversation begins with a revealing look at Endless Summer Quarterly before transitioning into David's affection for Jan & Dean and concludes with his perspective of Jan & Dean's rejected version of the 1965 release Filet of Soul:
"It was strange and I liked it! ... a subversive lampooning ... gunfire, cows, a toilet flushing ... Wrecking Crew ... skits ... Jan & Dean lampooning Jan & Dean ... similar to the Beach Boys' Party! album ..."


The story behind the story.

Hear Here>>> https://prayforsurfblog.blogspot.com/2017/08/podcast-with-david-beard-on-release-of.html
19  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Podcast ~a Conversation w/ Domenic Priore, author Look! Listen! Vibrate SMIiLE! on: August 06, 2017, 05:53:39 PM
Maybe in here:
https://www.amazon.com/Smile-Story-Brian-Wilsons-Masterpiece/dp/1860746276/ref=asap_bc?ie=UTF8
20  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Podcast ~a Conversation w/ Domenic Priore, author Look! Listen! Vibrate SMIiLE! on: August 04, 2017, 07:14:34 PM
Author Dominic Priore, dubbed by MOJO ‘the world’s foremost Smile-ologist

Phil Miglioratti talks with Domenic Priore, author of "Look! Listen! Vibrate! SMiLE!."


The collection that became the book.

Are we yet to have Brian Wilson's track sequence for SMiLE?

The early days of SMiLE bootlegs.

The SMiLE Box Set.

What "1967: Sunshine Tomorrow" reveals about the why-SMiLE-was-shelved legend.

Darian Sahanaja. Curt Boettcher. Gary Usher. Donna Loren & Shindig. Jan & Dean.

Future legacy of the Beach Boys.

Beatles verses Beach Boys.

http://prayforsurfblog.blogspot.com/2017/07/pray-for-surf-podcast-domenic-priore.html
21  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: New Sunshine Tomorrow podcast at Pray for Surf on: July 09, 2017, 04:03:08 PM

This is Phil with a few responses to Guitarfool2002 ===>

Mark and Phil, I just listened to the discussion and you touched on some key points for sure. To Mark more than Phil: I am in the same age group and demographic as you, and relate to those years in the late 80's of discovering some of this music much like you did. It was a learning process that my age seemed to mesh with perfectly in terms of the release and reissue of things like Pet Sounds, the SS/WH two-fer, Live In London, etc.
===>I enjoy the different perspectives that result from our age when we were introduced to the Beach Boys

Having said that, in terms of the discussion itself: I could not help but feel a sense of deja vu on a lot of the points you raised. It's been said often since this release how certain elements in these tracks are a "revelation", or are exposing things that people had no idea were true, or even factual, etc. In terms of the sonics and the new mixes, yes - Sonically these are a revelation as most seem to agree. The tracks jump out of the speakers, and elements lost to the process of summing, bouncing, and mono mixing are now fully audible and in cases like certain vocals, they actually sparkle in audio terms.
===>"Sparkle" ~ a great description

But this issue of how involved Brian Wilson was in the creation and especially the production to me is one that I'll admit (and not wanting to put myself into it but it's part of what happened) is a big issue for me personally.

At various points you mentioned various things in ESQ, articles, etc.

Point #1: How do you react after hearing the actual hard evidence on these tapes to those affiliated with, connected with, or those who contributed to ESQ through the years who had previously argued against Brian's involvement in the production of this music? Obviously it's right there on the tapes for anyone to hear as of July 2017. Yet, in years past and in the not too distant past here on this board, there were arguments made against that fact which some knew was a stone cold truth of the situation, versus what was being proposed, argued, or stated as fact.
===> I try to react with love and mercy to those who authentically made, what are now known to be, erroneous assertions. Regarding keener insight posted here and earlier ... as wide as this board reachers, not everyone resides here, or even if they do, can read everything. Years ago I had a conversation with David Beard who recognized the need for crossover communication. Grand idea; difficult to implement. I am grateful for SS.net and ESQ and other well-intentioned sources.

Adjunct to that were the attempts to dismiss or discredit accounts of the way the Redwood situation unfolded, by some "historians" and others trying to stake a claim on knowledge and reporting of the facts regarding the band. Mark in this discussion says Danny Hutton himself described how it went down. So I also ask how and why some of this was allowed to go reported and even published as "fact" for so long, again including some affiliated with ESQ and offshoots, when there were people all along telling the truth, stating the facts, and confirming pretty much the same information as the audio on this new set has confirmed?
===>Please clarify what you mean by "allowed to go reported/published" ...

I don't think this set rewrites any history at all. I'd say it *corrects* the history that was reported and then repeated incorrectly for so long, in some cases perhaps done more out of spite or personal grudges than wanting to state the facts. As I'm tired of saying after a week or so, and I'm sure people are tired of reading, the truth is in the audio. Not coming from the mouths of historians with agendas.
===>Guitarfool2002, it seems you too have an agenda - What has you fired-up on this point? (it may be obvious to other readers - I'm just trying to understand better;)

So I am a little surprised but not much to see some people who have been in this business for decades expressing shock to hear Brian running the sessions when associates of theirs were the ones arguing against that fact prior to this release.
===>Maybe this is the answer to my query just above ... ?

It may also change some of the opinions of which outlets for fans are the real "toxic" elements considering those labeled toxic by certain individuals and interests were the ones who actually got it right regarding some of those points proven by the audio on this set.

Point #2 - I enjoyed hearing and agree with both of you on the importance of this release in terms of the musical legacy of this band, introducing new listeners to things they may not have known prior to the focus of this set, and also the great respect for the music itself which both the release itself and the team of Boyd and Linett who produced it have made possible.
===>For sure - once the reputation of the Beach Boys was diminished, trashed, ignored, over the decades, I must admit I gave up hope, never anticipating the respect and adulation we are seeing now.

With that in mind, and this is only asking your opinion as fans and in Mark's case, as a published BB author: What is your opinion of Mike Love releasing a remake of Do It Again featuring Mark McGrath coming days after this Sunshine Tomorrow set? And what is your opinion, again as fans and listeners, of that release in terms of the music itself?

My feelings of it are well known, but after listening to the discussion and agreeing so much with both of you on the matters of respect and legacy, how do you square up Mike's decision to release a remake like Do It Again and playing it on a nationally televised concert, both with and as The Beach Boys within days after a release that was almost universally positively received by fans, which brought exactly the kind of positive attention to the music and the legacy?
===> I enjoy covers of Beach Boys songs; hunt for them all the time. Is this a Mike Love cover of a Beach Boys song sung by and co-written by Mike Love? It may grow on me but my initial reaction is less than whelming. Regarding legacy, this release of DIA does more for sales than legacy.


Point #3 - Is James Hirsch coming back for part 4? I'd like to hear his take on issues like these, especially the Do It Again remake and the Sunshine Tomorrow set, which transpired since the last appearance. And I'd also ask him specifically to comment on those sections of Mike's book regarding the C50 reunion, the albums (both TWGMTR and the live release), and the notion of that reunion not being commercial enough to be successful in his eyes in light of what Mike just released this week. And about the contradictions of Mike's issues with using autotune centered around C50 and beyond versus hearing his lead vocal on Help Me Rhonda autotuned as of this past Tuesday's televised concert. The contradictions of what we read and were told versus what we've heard from Mike in studio and in concert are pretty glaring, it would be nice to hear some thoughts on that stuff.
===> IMHO, James would be unable to give you his personal opinions and I presume he is not in ongoing, contemporaneous conversations with Mike (certainly I could be wrong on both counts).

===>THANKS for a good conversation. Feed/Pushback welcomed,  Phil






22  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: New Sunshine Tomorrow podcast at Pray for Surf on: July 08, 2017, 10:47:06 AM
Thanks Mark,
For another insightful conversation about The Beach Boys.

Never thought I'd be learning to love Wild Honey so much‼️

Phil
23  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Podcast on I Am Brian Wilson on: January 02, 2017, 04:12:37 PM
Thanks for teaming with me Mark ~ always enjoy your insights and observations!

Phil
24  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Part 2 of interview with Mike book collaborator James S. Hirsch on: October 29, 2016, 09:14:44 PM
Thanks to all who listened and commented. And to Mark; he was great.

I did not mean to equate Melinda with Murry or Landy. I believe in marriage (I've officiated at scores of them). I believe she loves Brian and works hard to protect him. She is not seeking to harm her husband and from what I can tell they have a genuine loving relationship. She is, however, very involved with all decisions regarding Brian's career, a role similar to Murry and Landy.  Not everyone involved with the Beach Boys will always agree with the decisions she makes or implements. She is a loving wife who is involved in creative and business decisions, as was Murry and Landy. Trying to clarify ...

25  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: interview with Mike book collaborator James S. Hirsch on: October 24, 2016, 09:56:52 AM
Mark Dillon... looks good questions for Part 2,
Phil
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