Here is a link to the interview:

https://youtu.be/UrKdM6Igyjk?t=4647

In this interview he mentions that he and Darien came up with a definitive track list true to Brian’s original vision, seemingly somewhere around the Smile Sessions release period. He even said he had the cd right there but the interviewers didn’t ask about it

Does anyone have this tracklist or know Domenic Priore and could ask?
Thanks for posting that video interview, wish they wouldnt talked more SMiLE.

Is that an actual picture of Brian's sandbox piano in the trailer at 1:45!?!?!

It almost looks like a grainy video actually. I've never seen a picture of the sandbox, didn't know one existed.

Anyone?

[Heroes and Villains Part 3]

Thanks BGRT. When the intro to Mrs. O'Leary's Cow first officially appeared, it was on the 1993 boxed set and labeled as an H&V intro. I believe that was a mistake. It sounds to me like it was certainly intended for Fire--to me it evokes cartoon firemen rushing to the scene of a blaze...

The tape box and session documentation doesn't lie - the "intro" was indeed recorded as a Heroes and Villains intro - session was for Heroes and Villains (master # 57045) with the title Part 2 Intro.  This was recorded March 1 and 2, following a February of multiple session for only one song - Heroes, which clearly Brian was trying to finish.  Feb 28 was the rerecord of the fade to Heroes, then on March 1 and 2 the intro to Part 2.  And he recorded an earlier version of the "intro" - the chimes version - in December 66 with the title "Heroes and Villains Part 3."  The reason it is linked to Fire is because after the release of BW 88 there was talk of releasing Smile and Mark Linett put together a tape of Smile recordings, and on that tape he put the intro in front of Fire.  When that tape was booted, it became familiar to all the rabid fans and certainly fit musically there - one such fan being Darian Sahanaja.

Along with BicycleRider, I also believe the evidence very strong that the "fire intro" was really an unused part of Heroes and Villains and was never intended as a part of Fire (though it precedes Fire in my SMiLE mix as i think it sounds best there to me). He recorded FOUR different versions of this one section, it must have been a key musical piece for Brian for him to try it that many times on as many different dates. As such, there are four distinct variations of the Heroes and Villains Part 3 section (aka "fire" intro), which all use the same chromatic piano bass line surrounded by different "weirdness" as the basis for the track/section:

1. Heroes and Villains Part 3 (bell/chimes version). You can hear Chuck Britz clearly slate the track as "Heroes and Villains Part 3, Take 1", recorded in Dec '66 by just BW and VDP
2. Heroes and Villains: "Bag of Tricks". Alternative version of the chimes version recorded during the 1/3/67 Heroes and Villains session. Of note, this was recorded by the Beach Boys.
3. Heroes and Villains: "Organ Waltz/Intro". 3rd alternate version recorded during the 3/1/67 Heroes and Villains session (HV remake session). This is the "fire intro" we all know and love. Mark Linett did indeed label this as "fire intro" on his 1988 tape, but i believe he said this was a guess/or made in error, but i cannot find the quote and may just be speculation. I don't believe there is any evidence of such outside of Mark Linnett making a judgement call here.
4. Fall Breaks and Back to Winter. Recorded for Smiley Smile. This is the first relationship to "Fire", if any first appears.

IMO, Fall Breaks is simply a bastardization of several unused SMiLE parts/ideas:
1. The Heroes and Villains Pt 3 chromatic piano bass line is now played on the Baldwin organ, but still with the "weirdness." This track uses the HV Pt3 section as its foundation, and essentially a re-record version of it. BW obviously really liked this musical idea as this is now the 4th version.

2. Surf's Up. Fall Breaks lifts the "woody woodpecker" theme from Surf's Up (played by the horns on the Surf's Up sessions, now played by a melodica and also represented by the wood block percussion. Additionally, Fall Breaks marks the first HV Pt 3 variation where the chromatic bass line does not just run in a circle the whole time, but rather pauses, which is reminiscent of Surf's Up verse structure...and in that empty space: the Woody Woodpecker theme

3. Fire. This is a big if IMO:
a. One has to assume the wordless "fire" vocals that first appeared on Fall Breaks were originally slated to be the vocals for Fire in the first place. Otherwise the "revelation" when it first appeared in BWPS and applying to the past is revisionist history.
b. Many people cite Brian Wilson's quote found in Jules Siegal's "Goodby Surfing, Hello God" article:

“I don’t have to do a big scary fire like that,” he later said. “I can do a candle and it’s still fire. That would have been a really bad vibration to let out on the world, that Chicago fire. The next one is going to be a candle.”

I want to mention that BW does NOT say Fall Breaks is the candle/fire or even that he actually re-recorded Fire as anything else, just that there could be a "next one." Jules Siegel departed the BW inner circle prior to the sessions for Fall Breaks, but AFTER the three HV Part 3 versions were tracked. Why then would BW suggest a candle version of "Fire" was perhaps in the future, if he had already recorded three versions of it?

If Fall Breaks has any relationship to Fire whatsoever, it could only be the wordless Fire vocals, NOT the backbone of the song (chromatic bass line), which was really a discarded Heroes and Villains section. If anything, this chromatic line idea originated in Cabin Essence:

5. Cabin Essence. Lastly, one other possible link is the backing vocals during the "Iron Horse" chorus section, which are the similar, but not the same as the chromatic bassline of HV Pt3/Falls Breaks. I suppose you could say the same thing about the "Fire" strings, they're in the ballpark, but that's a stretch imo. If you say they are, then here you have the first instance of musical cannibalization of SMiLE material, happening in Nov '66, but i don't believe that is the case. We all know Cabin Essence and Fire both hit a brick wall by the end of December '66. The HV Pt3 (bells/chimes) section was recorded in Dec '66, by Brian and Van Dyke only (doing all the overdubs themselves), but the exact date is unknown.  Is it possible the Dec '66 HV Pt3 recording was THE start of Brian recycling certain musical elements? Perhaps. He DEFINATELY attempted to recycle material by January with the Bicycle Rider insert attempt into HV.

We all know he did that with countless other sections, including, but not limited to "Bicycle Rider" as the new HV Chorus, All Day/Whistling Bridge/Worms Pt 3 as "Whistle In", Holidays tag as Wind Chimes' tag, He Gives Speeches as She Goes Bald, Dada/All Day/possible Child as Cool, Cool Water, Vegetables tag/HV Pt 2 Chorus Chants as the SS Wonderful bridge, Good Shape/With Me Tonight/Do a Lot as their own songs/sections of others, etc.?

So this is the Beach Boys release:

2018/04/21   Beach Boys   2018RSD - In Paris With Andy Williams   Rock/Pop   5060331751274   1960'S RECORDS   7"   REP014

Thanks a lot!

Maybe it was a strictly harmonic decision to change "often wise" to "wise" but the effect of each is so different they seem purpose written.  The former is glaringly unresolved and the latter is perfectly resolved. 

After reading Brian's "Smog" explanation for SMiLE I got it in my head that it was supposed to be a very simple/not hard to grasp presentation of the facts...so what would be obvious/logical?

I put dada/child/father/old master together based on simple chronology but found that there was a deeper meaning created by doing so. 

Love to Say Dada.  Who says that?  A baby.  What is water?  The essential element for life.  What would come next after a baby?  A child which becomes a man.  And learning about the W.Wordsworth poem and it's celebration of nature it made sense following The Elements.   And what would follow a baby/child/man.....the old master painter....and yet the lyrics celebrating God and nature AREN'T sung.  He DIDN"T present his masterpiece and SMiLE down from heaven on that WONDERFUL day.  Instead he sang "You we're my sunshine".  Are you getting Brian's message? 

Isn't there a quote somewhere where Brian says that in the 66/67 version of SMiLE  OMP was the grand finale?

The theory of this being a "grand fanale" of sorts comes from two places afaik...
1) The Feb '67 H&V single mix had the OMP tag at the end
2) The handwritten SMiLE tracking list had OMP at the end in parenthesis

While I agree it would have been great to get more of the Smiley Smile tracking sessions, i don't understand your complaint.

Smiley Smile is already widely available as a stereo mix, (since 2012?). This was the first time a Wild Honey stereo mix became available.

https://www.discogs.com/Beach-Boys-Smiley-Smile/master/78344
https://www.discogs.com/The-Beach-Boys-Smiley-Smile/release/8747494
https://www.amazon.com/Smiley-Smile-Mono-Stereo-Mixes/dp/B00URMHPFO

Original mono mix produced by The Beach Boys
Stereo mixes produced by Mark Linett and Alan Boyd / Mixed by Mark Linett

Smiley Smile stereo mix created using the original 1967 session multi-tracks. The album, having been recorded to analog tape, was then transferred to high resolution digital and then mixed from high resolution digital assembled masters (88.2 kHz/24 bit) and printed to 1/4" analog tape at 15 ips CCIR.


Also, there are a plethora of Smiley Smile tracking sessions available on Sea of Tunes vol 18
https://www.discogs.com/Beach-Boys-Unsurpassed-Masters-Vol-18-1967-The-Alternate-Smiley-Smile-Album/release/3295739

ESQ's David Beard joined me for the first part of a multi-part discussion about SMiLE.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxTqJ7X__BY

Good interview. Thanks for sharing. Can't wait for part 2!

Thanks for sharing!

Any clue what the upcoming RSD Black Friday release is going to be?!?!

The RSD Black Friday list apparently has leaked.

http://exclaim.ca/music/article/record_store_days_2016_black_friday_exclusives_leak_on_reddit

BEACH BOYS – BECOMING THE BEACH BOYS:COMPLETE HITE [LP Red, blue or yellow vinyl]

Thanks for sharing!

Any clue what the upcoming RSD Black Friday release is going to be?!?!

You are right. Guitar on "Chapel of Love", though credited to Brian in the Wikipedia page, is Carl.

Regarding Brian's guitar prowess, there is this;)

https://i.guim.co.uk/img/static/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2013/5/9/1368116753429/-I-walked-away-from-that--010.jpg?w=620&q=55&auto=format&usm=12&fit=max&s=707096a0b1d274e70d404aed2c01a875

Charlotte is tonight! Cant wait!

Regarding your 2nd point on surfs up vocals,  it is well documented that the dec 15? session of wonderful/surfs up was filmed for "inside pop"

multiple accounts tell the story of this session going very badly with members of the group not participating. Could be that the surfs up attempts were erased/dubbed over.

i think this session was pivital for the song in that from this time forward, surfs up was recorded in a strip downed version with piano/vox (dec version and wild honey sessions)... perhaps the earliest hint of change of production direction from smile-> smiley smile

[vocal tones in a structured and continuous manner]

Isn't "Our Prayer" the exact opposite of an instrumental?

Noun   1.   instrumental music - music intended to be performed by a musical instrument or group of instruments
music - an artistic form of auditory communication incorporating instrumental or vocal tones in a structured and continuous manner

imo:

The Elements
- "fire" in particular with just the wordless chant on top of the track
- if the "water chant" or some idea of it was "water," then that too. Perhaps the whole "elements" track

Our Prayer
- again, if "chanting" does not discredit, then how can our prayer not be in the conversation?

I'll just put this here:
Noun   1.   instrumental music - music intended to be performed by a musical instrument or group of instruments
music - an artistic form of auditory communication incorporating instrumental or vocal tones in a structured and continuous manner


I do not think these would have been instrumentals:

Love to Say DaDa - without going into whether or not this was going to be part of SMiLE, the track sessions do have vocal chants, which makes me think that they were going to be part of a larger whole vocally (just like Worms and CIFOTM), and would have had lyrics if it was completed in this context

Friday night/workshop - i believe this fragment was not going to be a standalone track, but rather part of IIGS and therefore would be attached to vocals. Plus there is a very audible "OUCH!!"

Holidays - I do not believe this was going to make the final album cut.. and to hear Brian sing a melody during the sessions makes me believe that vocals were intended for this track

Look - same...plus we know that there were supposed vocal tracking sessions

In your opinion.  Others (Alan Boyd among them) think otherwise.

Does Alan disagree?  I've never read or heard him comment on it.

"As far as "Heroes and Villains" PART Two is concerned, the tape box containing the "Bicycle Rider" theme with Brian's lead vocal, is labeled "HEROES PART TWO."  Judging from some fragmentary mix outtakes for the song's opening verses - which seem to go into a snippet of that harpsichord-based "Bicycle Rider" theme - I'm guessing that "Part Two" in that case refers to sections within an alternate complete edit of the song, rather than an actual separate side two."

I posted this elsewhere....Alan on Heroes Part 1 and 2:

From mark linett and alan boyd's iconfetch interviews (around the time of the smile sessions release):

- question asked by buddahat!! "was the sequence for HV pt 2 based on historical evidence meaning brians plans in 66/67?"

Alan:  "partially.. what we did was we took almost all sections that had been recorded in the first part of 1967. For instance, there was a section called prelude to fade..and a couple days later he went and recorded a new fade and so we went 'well, lets put the prelude to fade before the fade.' At the end of that, there was another section called tag to pt1 that just seemed to fit in there like a glove most beautifully.  And the other sections, you know, all the vocal parts were arranged in that order although not edited together on the original session master tape..and we did find pieces.. and you will hear some of this towards the end of CD 4 of edit attemps brian had made with some of those recordings in early 1967, so it's not as if brian had written a very specific blueprint for it, but based on the way he was titling these tracks and the order in which they were laid down.. the order in which they were recorded, it seemed the most intuitive method to arrange HV pt 2. I have to say Im not positive, you know, we're not positive that there actually was intended to be a HV side 2. We've heard reports from both sides on that."

Mark: "Well, Brian denies it. But 40 years on, thats his take on it.. that there was no two sided version of HV"

I'm in Great Shape works perfectly without vocals. It makes for a great instrumental. I would use iTunes edit to isolate it from the sessions, but the fadeout wont't allow for it. If anyone could post IIGS as an instrumental here, that would be awesome.

the instrumental IIGS is widely available...it's on the sessions on the box set (several takes) and of course on lots of bootlegs

fwiw,  i always have felt side B is superior to side A...almost like they sandbagged the good stuff for the second half.

i don't know what an alternative order would be since i have come to appreciate PS for the masterpiece it is

that said, my least favorite tracks on PS are That's Not Me and Waiting for the Day and besides WIBN, the first side (imo) loses steam going from YSBIM>Waiting for the Day. I absolutely love YSBIM and Don't Talk, but having these so early in the tracklist has always felt a little odd to me.

I surmise that Disney cartoons and Looney Tunes influenced the arrangements for Smile. I have no evidence, however.

Raymond Scott perhaps. He was one of the early innovators of music recording and even electronic music. Much of his music employs sounds to mimic or represent different associations.  That said, some of his catalog served as a foundation for many of Stallings cartoon compositions.

For example:
New Year's Eve in a Haunted House
"New Years" party around 1:00-1:50
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOVPHObQH1I

All,

Just found out that Levitation in Austin this weekend is cancelled due to the crazy weather. The details are in the link below.

http://levitation-austin.com/
http://consequenceofsound.net/2016/04/levitation-2016-has-been-cancelled-due-to-dangerous-weather-conditions/

Recently, I completed my most cohesive mix of Smile yet. It has no Good Vibrations in it, just like how Brian intended.

When did this come to your attention? Brian has included it on both studio albums and all live performances. Did I miss something?

Didn't Michael Vosse suggest something like that? As far as I'm concerned, GV was only a part of Smile due to Capitol's insistence.

it's been pretty well documented that GV was going to be on a released SMiLE album, with BW's involvement. As such GV on SMiLE was what BW intended to do

All the represses got me thinking, does Pet Sounds (instrumental) exist outside of the PS Box Set... like on VINYL??

Bicycle Rider from Worms was at one point considered as a "Part 2" to Heroes, replacing Great Shape.  But preceding the first verse? That's news to me.  Is this one of the Durrie Parks' acetates?  Were there vocals on the "I've been in this town" section, or could that have been a third verse section?  Has this acetate been booted?

first i've heard of BR preceding HV. There are test edits of HV > BR, but not the other way around. OMP, what is this acetate that you heard that has BR > HV?

Personally I see a lot more in common between Worms and Cabin, and in the last few years I have persuaded myself to believe that had the album come out in 66/67, these two tracks would have been side by side. But certainly Heroes would have been close to these tracks as well.

well, at one time they were considered to be conjoined, however this concept did not stick.
http://migratingtaste.oldeenglish.org/junk/cabinessence.jpg

back to back songs, could've been

Whatever it was, it was heavily doused with echo, which can drastically change the sound of a percussion instrument. 

Example: hearing the Sparkletts water bottle without echo on the sessions for "Caroline, No"

True, but I don't think echo can change the fundamental pitch of something. The pitch of the echo itself can be another factor to the overall sound, especially if it's mixed as loud or louder than the "dry" sound, and it can also add depth (as with the example you sited of the "Caroline, No" Sparkletts water bottle - which was actually more like a jug). The wooden percussion on "That's Not Me" sounds shallower and "thinner" than the temple blocks on "Let's Go Away For Away For Awhile", for instance - and also shallower and thinner than the sound of dry temple blocks heard on several YouTube demonstration videos that I checked out. I would think that adding the kind of echo that's on the "That's Not Me" percussion would result in making the instrument sound deeper, not shallower. Also, I would think that if they were temple blocks, Brian would have answered my question by at least saying that they were "blocks" or "wooden blocks", if not actually saying "temple blocks": but instead, he said "wooden percussion instrument", indicating it was something other than what was ordinarily used on on his recordings.

On a related topic, it's interesting to note that the wooden percussion on the stereo mix of "That's Not Me" is not as loud as on the mono mix - and according to the liner notes, that's because Brian himself requested that Mark turn that instrument down a bit - apparently the only change he requested upon hearing the Pet Soundsstereo mix for the first time!

that and the camera talking on here today getting the axe?

Derek Taylor was the PR rep.. is it plausible Derek was hyping the album by saying it was scrapped, then Brian saw that as an opportunity to exit?