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26  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: SMiLE as a double LP on: November 05, 2011, 04:16:06 PM
Pop 'You're Welcome' on there too and it's perfect!!  Cool


My double album SMiLE:

Side 1:
- Our Prayer
- Gee / Heroes And Villains
- Do You Like Worms
- Barnyard
- Cabin Essence

Side 2:
- Wonderful
- He Gives Speeches / Mama Chant
- With Me Tonight
- Child Is Father Of The Man

Side 3:
- Good Vibrations
- I'm In Great Shape / I Wanna Be Around / Workshop
- Look
- Holidays
- Old Master Painter / You Are My Sunshine

Side 4:
- Vega-Tables
- Wind Chimes
- Mrs. O'Leary's Cow (incl. Fire Intro)
- Love To Say Dada (incl. Water Chant)
- Surf's Up

Ah cripes! I forgot. "You're Welcome" goes before "Wonderful". Get it?
27  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: SMiLE: Bring It On, Fanmixers. on: November 05, 2011, 02:25:26 PM
Wow, your list looks like great, a really well done job! But how wierd is that now most of those bootlegs became redundant at once... It's a whole new world in SMiLE land!

Oh yeah, this job definitely needs to be redone in a major way.
28  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: SMiLE as a double LP on: November 05, 2011, 02:23:27 PM
My double album SMiLE:

Side 1:
- Our Prayer
- Gee / Heroes And Villains
- Do You Like Worms
- Barnyard
- Cabin Essence

Side 2:
- Wonderful
- He Gives Speeches / Mama Chant
- With Me Tonight
- Child Is Father Of The Man

Side 3:
- Good Vibrations
- I'm In Great Shape / I Wanna Be Around / Workshop
- Look
- Holidays
- Old Master Painter / You Are My Sunshine

Side 4:
- Vega-Tables
- Wind Chimes
- Mrs. O'Leary's Cow (incl. Fire Intro)
- Love To Say Dada (incl. Water Chant)
- Surf's Up
29  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: SMiLE: Bring It On, Fanmixers. on: November 05, 2011, 02:09:02 PM
I am making now the mother-of-all-fan-mixes, which is actually not a fanmix but a complete fanmixers toolkit.
I am assembling a collection of all known Smile fragments/songs/test mixes (only master takes in the most complete form and best quality available), neatly indexed and labelled, in mono and stereo (wherever possible).
I hope to find a way to share it, as it's mostly officially released material (on the box set).
See me in about two weeks (if I survive)  Smiley

Yeah, let me know when that is finished. I had started doing this sometime ago in preparation for The Smile Sessions!

30  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: SMiLE: Bring It On, Fanmixers. on: November 05, 2011, 02:04:43 PM
I guess I'm going to be boring and make a historically correct mix using the mono TSS mixes of the 12 songs from the original cover listing. Makes a nice realistic for 1967 vinyl 38 minute long mix.
Oh I am doing that too. It'll be in the can once I get my "Surf's Up" mono finished.
31  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: SMiLE: Bring It On, Fanmixers. on: November 05, 2011, 11:56:35 AM
Just made a "Cabin Essence" stereo mix using the stereo takes and the stereo vocals (which match perfectly, except for the doing-doings on the first verse. I am assuming the vocals are from the second verse).

So far:
Cycle Of Life Suite (stereo instrumental)
Old Master Painter / My Only Sunshine (mono, clean intro using the session take)
Mrs. O'Learys Cow (mono, no fly-ins)
Love To Say Dada (mono, no fly-ins)
Child Is Father Of The Man (mono, verse/chorus/verse/chorus/bridge/chorus)

Working on:
Surf's Up (both stereo and mono, no fly-ins, just original Smile sessions)
32  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Hidden Tracks on: November 05, 2011, 11:10:17 AM
Itunes has already spoken Evil
What did they label them as??
33  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / The Hidden Tracks on: November 05, 2011, 10:30:35 AM
So I think we should give these tracks names for documentation sake.

Disc 1:
28. SMiLE Radio Promo

Disc 2:
38. Psychodelic Sounds: Moaning Laughing

Disc 3:
27. Vegetables (Effects Overdub)
28. Friday Night (Effects Overdub)

Disc 4:
29. The Elements: Fire (Effects Overdub)

Disc 5:
25: Good Vibrations: Tape Winding
34  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: SMiLE: Bring It On, Fanmixers. on: November 05, 2011, 10:00:08 AM
Can anyone think of a solution for Love To Say Dada without fly-ins but with the original vocal, other than the GV box set? The quality seems to be pretty inferior on the GV box. Roll your own, not quite.

I simply took out the 2nd verse (with the fly-ins) and repeated the 1st verse. Works well. So: Part 1/Part 2 (Verse 1)/Part 2 (Verse 1)/Part 2 (End)
35  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: SMiLE: Bring It On, Fanmixers. on: November 05, 2011, 07:13:56 AM
I know I am working on two different ones... A 66-67-sessions-only version; trying to stay true to what would have come out (in my opinion of course) in 67. My second mix is going to be a crazy, double album. Trying to add as many pieces as possible with a flow throughout. Kind of a fantasy no-holds-barred version.
36  Smiley Smile Stuff / Smile Sessions Box Set (2011) / Re: TSS - All things Child is father ...... on: November 04, 2011, 03:20:08 PM
I am surprised by the sequencing. I thought they would for sure do the "verse/chorus/verse/chorus/bridge/Surf's Up" version. Especially since "Child (bridge)" goes into the start of "Surf's Up" so perfect.

So, did the bootlegs have it right all those years ago: "bridge/chorus/verse/chorus"?

Also, I am hearing some clipping on the piano key hits during the "bridge" sections. Sounds like metal squeaking. Anybody else hear this?
37  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Decision to Blend or Not Blend Tracks on: November 04, 2011, 03:54:13 AM
They established that fades and clean intros would be used on this album (ex. Cabin Essence, Surf's Up, Heroes and Villains, Do You Like Worms)

Nothing of the sort has been established. It's all conjecture with this album. Yes there were tags, which might or might not have been used as fades, but there are also sections, such as Barnyard / Sunshine, which do edit together really well. So all we really know is, is that there may have been fades, there may have been edits.

Certainly nothing has been established by "they"

What I mean by "established" is that in the context of the assembled album on Disc 1 "they" the producers/editors/Brian decided that fades and clean intros would be used where as on the BWPS versions they had blends.

Also, I have totally selfish reasons myself for not liking the blended intros... for my own mix I will have to use the GV Box Set "Wind Chimes" and "Vegetables".  Razz

Wind Chimes and Vega-Tables on side four of the vinyl are non-blended intros.

Really?! Wow, I assumed that the vinyl was the same mix as disc 1. Now, I need to get to my parents right quick! To the record player!!
38  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Boxset Book Discussion: Brian's liner notes and the essays on: November 03, 2011, 04:10:48 PM
Quote from: Producers Notes
"Many of the songs presented here have been painstakingly pieced together from multiple source masters, using everything from first generation session tapes, copies of vintage rough mixes, acetate, and, yes, even bootleg CDs containing material "missing" from The Beach Boys' archives.
-- Alan Boyd

I read through the Sessionography but didn't see anything about CD sources. Maybe I missed it. What tracks were from the boots I wonder?
39  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Decision to Blend or Not Blend Tracks on: November 03, 2011, 04:01:33 PM
They established that fades and clean intros would be used on this album (ex. Cabin Essence, Surf's Up, Heroes and Villains, Do You Like Worms)

Nothing of the sort has been established. It's all conjecture with this album. Yes there were tags, which might or might not have been used as fades, but there are also sections, such as Barnyard / Sunshine, which do edit together really well. So all we really know is, is that there may have been fades, there may have been edits.

Certainly nothing has been established by "they"

What I mean by "established" is that in the context of the assembled album on Disc 1 "they" the producers/editors/Brian decided that fades and clean intros would be used where as on the BWPS versions they had blends.

Also, I have totally selfish reasons myself for not liking the blended intros... for my own mix I will have to use the GV Box Set "Wind Chimes" and "Vegetables".  Razz
40  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: SMiLE Sessions box set! on: November 03, 2011, 03:57:43 PM
My single CD edition just arrived here in California from Amazon UK.   Yes, I know that I just dropped the equivalent of $17 on a mere duplicate of Disc 1 in the box.  BUT it's in a jewel case with a very happy cover and a nifty white spine that reads "SMILE * THE BEACH BOYS" (not 'Sessions').  It looks pretty cool in my CD rack between the 1990 Pet Sounds and Smiley/WH CDs.  Grin
Nice.
41  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: What ISNT on TSS on: November 03, 2011, 03:51:09 PM
- "With Me Tonight" (2 versions) (Though one was officially released on Hawthorn, CA. Also, am I mistake or are the session notes referring to the Hawthorn version?)
- "Water Chant" (sessions)
- "Wind Chimes" (vocal sessions)
42  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Boxset Book Discussion: Brian's liner notes and the essays on: November 03, 2011, 03:38:55 AM
I feel real bad about the blonde girl referred to as "unknown" in the group picture of the "gang". It's kind of like that buddy that hung out with you in high school for like a week but now you can't remember what happened to them.  Grin
43  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / The Decision to Blend or Not Blend Tracks on: November 02, 2011, 02:36:48 PM
The more I listen to Disc 1 the more I question the editor's decisions to blend the tracks where they do and not blend the tracks where they don't. I kind of wish they were more consistent on how they approached this matter. And by "blends" I mean serious overlapping of songs; editing/mixing them right on top of each other; say in contrast to the other songs with end with silence "leading" into the next song. The "echo" may overlap but not actual music.

Track Blends:
1. Barnyard > TOMP/YAMS
2. Workshop > Vega-Tables
3. Holidays > Wind Chimes

Why do them? They established that fades and clean intros would be used on this album (ex. Cabin Essence, Surf's Up, Heroes and Villains, Do You Like Worms) so why pick these three tracks to blend together?

Maybe I understand the first one. If you treat Barnyard/TOMP/YAMS/False Barnyard as one track it actually is very cool. Also BWPS treats Barnyard/TOMP/YAMS very much like one track. I kind of always wished they made it that way on the CD.

The latter two blends I can't get into. First, it causes major editing to the intros of both Vega-Tables and Wind Chimes. This is sin #1 since those two tracks are awesome starting with the verse vocals right out of the gate (much like Good Vibrations and Heroes and Villains). Second, if the editors were going to do this then why not Gee>Heroes and Villains and Wonderful>Song For Children and CIFOTM>Surf's Up and IIGS>IWBA as in BWPS??

Side note: Speaking of IIGS, why is its position changed? I thought it was going to be placed because of blending with other tracks. This is not even the case. If the only reason it has changed positions is because it was "discovered" that it was recorded during a Heroes and Villains sessions and must somehow be in the American suite, that is pretty weak. Especially since it is widely known that Heroes and Villains birthed many other sections elsewhere on the album (ex. Do A Lot, Fire Intro). Unless Brian said it belongs there... thats another thing.

Just some questions. I still love the quality oh so much!!!
44  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Van Dyke Again on: November 02, 2011, 12:18:46 PM
Interestingly his name is off of "He Gives Speeches". I could've sworn he had credit on "She's Goin' Bald".
45  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Smile Sessions reviews anyone?! on: November 02, 2011, 12:13:33 PM
http://blogs.wsj.com/speakeasy/2011/11/01/the-smile-sessions-a-lost-album-thats-still-missing/

Hm, I cam not very impressed with this one. They don't seem to have a grasp of the history of SMiLE quite right. It even reads like an undergraduate essay.
46  Smiley Smile Stuff / Smile Sessions Box Set (2011) / Re: TSS - All things Look on: November 02, 2011, 07:25:22 AM
Euday Bowman is given credit in the notes for "12th St. Rag". And yes, I miss it in the "album" version.
47  Smiley Smile Stuff / Smile Sessions Box Set (2011) / Re: All things TSS packaging, presentation and booklet etc on: November 02, 2011, 07:22:52 AM
My only gripes involve no backing vocals on the fly-in-less "Barnyard," no instrumental "TOMS/YAMS," not much in the way of "With me Tonight" sessions.

Agreed.

Take a look at the writing credits. A couple of new names also a mention to Euday Bowman for the "12th St. Rag".

The lyrics to "He Gives Speeches" is given credit to Brian.
48  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: SMiLE Sessions box set! on: November 01, 2011, 05:57:17 PM
Gave a listen up until disc 4. I will certainly write a detailed analysis much later but for right now my initial reaction is thus:

1. The sound is amazing!! The track I was most looking forward to was "Child" and it blew me away. To me that was always the key song for SMiLE!

2. The compiled album was good, of course but by now everyone has their own version of an ideal SMiLE in their head and it came close, real close. I would not have used the demo vocals on "Shape" and "Barnyard".

3. All the studio banter, I love it! These guys were hilarious!

4. I want more (I know that is so overly gluttonous of me, but it is the truth).
a. Where are "Sunshine", "Wonderful" and "Wind Chimes" lead vocals in the stereo sessions sections?
b. "Dada" and "Child" vocal sessions?
c. Where are the other "With Me Tonight"s?
(again, I know that is asking way (WAY) too much when a lot has already been given)
49  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: CBS Early Show Segment on: November 01, 2011, 01:02:16 PM

F--k yeah!
50  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys Deluxe Reissue Box Set Fantasies on: November 01, 2011, 01:00:44 PM
Instant Replay is brilliant! I love Nesmith's stuff on that album. I just preordered mine!
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