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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Beachago tapes
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on: June 12, 2011, 07:50:19 AM
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Mikie-My review of the 1975 Oakland show (Hayward Daily Review May 30 1975) states that Bobe Seger opened the show "He did a strong version of Katmandu from his latest Capitol LP" and that he was followed by Richard Torrance and Eureka. Then Chicago and the BBs. No mention of Commander Cody or the New Riders.
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Some early facts and gifts from Smile Sessions
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on: June 11, 2011, 06:04:13 PM
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Boss City may have been taped before a live audience but it did not air right away. The BBs appeared on the Nov 19 1966 edition to plug Good Vibrations. They had taped the appearance over a month before, however-during the week of Oct 14-20 1966. I have an article that discusses how this girl who won a contest got to meet the BBs and the Turtles backstage at the taping. Not sure when Brian's solo app was but I am sure he taped it prior to the BB app.
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The legendary Labor Day weekend, 1961
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on: May 29, 2011, 08:59:43 AM
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Just to clear up a thing or two asked earlier in the thread. The Dec 21 1963 app in Sacramento that was taped for the Concert LP (and combined with the Aug 1 1964 show to make the finished album) was Brian's first app in Sacramento. The BBs did an interview for The Sacramento Union prior to the show in which they noted that the Dec app would be Brian's first in Sacramento-because he had busy with recordings on their two previous trips there. So to answer an earlier question there is proof that he was not at the Sept 14 1963 app. That being said-Bgas never answered where the proof was that the photo is from 9/28/63 Cow Palace with Dee Dee Sharp. That would be news-since I believe DM recalled Brian being at those big shows in late Sept 63. Maybe that photo is really from June 63-when we know that the BBs did a Hawaiian tour with Al in place of Brian. -Also wanted to throw out there this tidbit: In a Nov 1964 Disc & Music Echo interview-while staying at the Hilton in London-Carl notes that HIS PARENTS HAD BEEN TO ENGLAND BEFORE AND TOLD HIM TO VISIT A BUNCH OF SIGHTS IF HE HAD TIME. Now this doesn't mean that their visit was in Sept 61 but it is interesting to note that the Wilsons had been in the UK once without their kids. Hard to imagine that they could have left the kids alone much earlier than 1961-without children's welfare agencies getting involved.
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: American Spring
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on: May 22, 2011, 03:40:09 AM
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But that is for me what makes some of the later BB albums interesting. There will be 6 or 7 pleasant but forgettable tracks and then one that just stops you in your tracks. Like that reviewer of MIU said-listen to My Dianne and know that the flame still burns. I kind of agree-I think MIU is pleasant-but pretty saccharine and then all the sudden that song comes on and you realize that the record could have been so much more. The Night Was So Young on Love You is also pretty intense. I also think on Brian Wilson-the river section of Rio Grande is pretty amazing
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: American Spring
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on: May 21, 2011, 03:56:39 PM
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Should be noted-that the date of the WPLJ taping is now established as February 23 1971. The day before the Carnegie Hall show-which used to be listed as Feb 20 but we now know was Feb 24 1971. AGD has it correctly listed at the tours/sessions section of Bellagio.
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys live in '61-62 without instruments?
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on: May 14, 2011, 07:42:48 AM
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should be stated that the Gigs/Sessions info at Bellagio is pretty damn accurate (and I should know cuz I compiled a lot of it) but some of those early 62 shows are not certain as to dates. The Rainbow Gardens shows may or may not have taken on those exact dates-I have never seen an ad, flyer or anything on them. All I know is that Bob Eubanks told David Leaf for his Beach Boys Book that he paid the group 150 dollars to play there. Ron Swallow also recalled them playing there a few times. But the dates we list are the best we have for now. Badman listed the dates of Feb 16 and 17 but his source is unknown to me. That being said-since so many of Badman's dates turned out to be wrong-I was ready to chuck all his dates when I got a hold of East LA Community College papesr from 62 and found confirmation (ads) for all his Pandora's Box listings-so Keith did have some decent sources for some of his 62 info-though I don't know what they were. Another fellow named Rory supplied the March dates for more Rainbow Gardens shows-but never gave up the source of his info.
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Previously released material on The Smile Sessions?
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on: May 14, 2011, 07:31:01 AM
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Interestingly enough-Bruce told a reporter in Albuquerque on July 15 1968 that "Can't Wait Too Long" would be the BB's next single. An interesting might have been-clearly the release of that single in July 1968 would have been a critical event-it really has all that Brian dynamism that was fading at that point and would have been greeted as a return to form. In my opinion it is the best unreleased Brian song of the late 60s. If it had been completed-it would have been an awesome single-less retro than "Do It Again."
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Redwood- tell everything you know!
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on: May 12, 2011, 03:22:27 PM
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What I find interesting is that Brian produced a Redwood version of "Time" than he rewrote some of the words and recorded vocals (dual lead-he and Carl) that fall (the unreleased version on Hawthorne) and then the group recorded a version closer to the original Redwood version for 20/20. Personally I prefer the Hawthorne version-because I prefer the dual lead with Brian and Carl in their prime.
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: How much has leaked?
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on: May 09, 2011, 04:35:59 PM
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I should add to this thread that when I was doing research for the TV/Film articles on the BBs that I contributed to ESQ-I got in touch with the David Frost archives and the Carson archives people. They were quite nice and took the time to answer all my questions. As I feared-the "Lost" Frost app from May 1971 where Dennis performed "Forever" and "Lady" and the BBs sang "Vegetables" was indeed destroyed. Clearly-however-there is an audio tape of this app-since it has been booted. It also had a cool interview where Dennis discussed filming Two Lane Blacktop. The Carson people also told me the same thing-the BBs made two 1968 apps on the show-with Johnny as host and both are gone. The May 2 68 app would have been fascinating-because it was basically the BBs promoting their about to begin tour with Maharishi and talking about why TM is so great-plus singing "Their Hearts Were Full of Spring" and some "Friends" songs. There is an audio tape of this too I should add-but tragically only the songs not the interview. That being said-it is always possible that a fan made a kinescope of one of these shows that may turn up
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Smiley Smile Stuff / The Beach Boys Media / Re: The *official* Brian/BB picture thread
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on: May 04, 2011, 07:37:28 AM
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By the way the pics of Brian and BBs with Maharishi can be dated to sometime between January 19-23 1968. That is when the Maharishi did a brief visit to some U.S. colleges and the BBs met up with him and dragged Brian along to meet him (Maharishi's visit was publicized in many papers). Funnily enough-despite all his travails-Brian sometimes has a good memory (depending on when you catch him)...in an interview from the late 80s (which is in Kingsley Abbotts compilation) Brian recalls meeting the person interviewing him when they were both at an airport to greet the Maharishi.
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Beach Boys - private party show in 1962...
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on: April 29, 2011, 05:04:07 PM
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Very true-see if you can find out the date of her sister's birthday-that would be very cool info to have. We know they played a lot of shows-many of them for free to gain promotion-in that exciting summer of 62 but we actually have very few nailed down dates. Their first Capitol single came out and they played in parking lots, malls, on the roofs of radio stations, took part in all sorts of events. Also signed records at various places.
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys live in '61-62 without instruments?
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on: April 29, 2011, 04:49:00 PM
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I will add this-as Jon has pointed out there is not a single photo of the BBs with Al in the Nov 61-Mar 62 BB Mark 1 period. We always hear about how the band started in Nov 61 but I think it is fair to say that at first it may have been more of a lark than a career. There isn't much evidence that they were playing tons of gigs in that period--more like every weekend since they had class during the week. No ads exist for the Rainbow Gardens shows-so the dates may or may not be correct (though there is no doubt that they played there). As to whether they were a 4 piece-we assume they were since Al seems to have left in February-but the exact details are fuzzy. I have never met anyone who actually says they were at one of those shows and what the band looked like.
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: BEACH BOYS ARCHIVE INCLUDES 1972 CARNEGIE HALL TAPES
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on: April 06, 2011, 06:18:36 PM
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Should be noted that the BBs taped the Nov 23 1972 shows because they were recording their In Concert LP. They then took these recordings and stuff from the Nov 72 Passaic show and made a tape-but after playing it to various parties they decided it didn't cut the mustard and they ended up scrapping the album and waiting till the summer of 73 to try again. Some of the songs from Passaic are on the 73 release but not from Carnegie Hall. Perhaps Brian influenced them-he told a 73 interviewer that when they played him the 72 tapes he was underwhelmed. Exact quote "I just didn't think it was that good." A few recordings of course showed up on the Endless Harmony release.
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Lei'd In Hawaii -- what exists?
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on: March 14, 2011, 11:28:51 AM
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By the way-for those who had doubts-in an interview-while rehearsing on August 24th-Brian told a reporter that "We wanted to do another live album where the mood’s good. And it’s great here. We’re calling it ‘Lei’d in Hawaii." So that was the album title even at that point. By the way Brian also stated that "I had a particular insecurity about traveling, so I stopped doing the live shows with the group. Now that I’m back again, it’s a bit frightening." While I agree that the concert is flawed-you certainly get no evidence of Brian's stage fright-indeed he basically emcees the show and takes more leads than he ever would again at a Beach Boys show-well...at least till the disastrous 81-82 period without Carl. One thing's for sure-no live audience would ever hear his falsetto again in such good shape after these shows and the ones in 1970.
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: BEACH BOYS Live Atlanta 1974 0r 73
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on: March 10, 2011, 04:40:57 PM
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Chip Rachlin told me that he was put Billy Joel on bills with the BBs after seeing him at some small venue and being knocked out by him-Billy opened for the BBs in 73-75 mostly. He was supposed to play a bunch of shows with the BBs in 76 but now that I am looking at that period more in depth-I am not sure he actually played any shows with them in 76.
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Songs pulled from the setlist
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on: March 09, 2011, 05:20:56 PM
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Having collected virtually every concert review of the Beach Boys that ever appeared in a newspaper from 62-80-I have to say that I admire the BBs for keeping anything post 68 in the setlists. The fact is that the BBs almost always faced resistance from audiences when they played there progressive material. Check out any review from 71-78 and all you ever hear about is how the audience sat on their hands, talked or was openly rude when they played unfamiliar material and went insane, sang along or danced when they played the BW penned oldies. I have some reviews that are scathing indictments of the fans. The BBs clearly just tired of having to deal with it all. They really fought the crowds in 71-73 and kept audiences on their toes thru the 70s but how many times are you going to play a song if the audience doesn't care? That being said-the BBs had some perverse choices sometimes when they did play new stuff. Like at Jan 77 shows they sang Airplane and Love Is a Woman-but never did the far superior The Night Was So Young.
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