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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: How much has Stamos contributed musically to the group over the years?
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on: June 01, 2015, 07:23:21 PM
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Stamos' drumming is fine in that clip of catch a wave. It's started too slow before he comes in, so I doubt there was much he could do.
Catch a Wave is a semi-deep cut. What are the deepest cuts that Stamos has been the main drummer on? I think Catch A Wave was a song that was never a hit, but everyone knows. It was actually the first time I heard the BBs, I was listening to Oldies radio, and the DJ played Surfin USA' going straight into Catch A Wave. Hearing those two songs on the radio changed my life forever. I've been a fan ever since. Anyway about Stamos, I think he's a HUGE fan, who also happens to play drums, guitar, percussion, and sings (All averagely) and happens to have the right connections. He seems like a good guy, so I can't really say anything bad about him.
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Favorite BB stories?
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on: May 31, 2015, 05:24:42 PM
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Hmm… I have a few… 1 Brian chopping Elvis' arm. 2 Dennis bringing the gold miners a BB gold record. 3 Alan at the airport, trying to flush a toilet, and when someone finally helped him, he says "Im not too good with computers"
Not quite... Jardine is often a little lost. On the plane from Tampa to New York, he couldn't figure out how to flush the toilet, so he had to ask the stewardess. "Oh, that one!" he said. "I'm not very good at computers, either." http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/the-beach-boys-last-wave-20120621Ahh… Well, I got the jist of the story…
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The songs that saved the album..
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on: May 31, 2015, 02:27:54 PM
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Shortenin Bread was one of the worst Beach Boys tracks ever. It should never have been released. Same for She's Got Rhtym from MIU.
I like She's Got Rhythm. It's no classic, but it's one of the better Rock songs on MIU, in my opinion. Brian's falsetto is similar when Mike called him "Micky Mouse with a sore throughout…" in the '64 skit, but the song is pretty cool. I like Al's arrangement.
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Recording Without Session Musicians
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on: May 31, 2015, 02:25:20 PM
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It is well known that Brian Wilson and the BBs have been using session musicians since 1964.
The previous year, actually. That's true, he used Steve Douglas and Hal Blaine, among others, since the Surfer Girl album… But I'm talking about songs where session musicians played everything on the tracks, not just additional instrumentation (Pom Pom Play Girl was the first I believe…) Actually, "PPPG" was just the Boys, instrumentally and vocally. "WDFFIL", on the other hand, was the WC all the way (instrumentally-speaking). But so was "BTTYS" (single version), aside from a guitar overdub by Carl. WHOOPS. You're right. PPPG is Carl's first lead vocal and WDFFIL was the first time Brian used the WC on an album. BTTYS (Single) he had the WC play on, but it wasn't issued on any studio albums. So, if I'm not mistaken, the BBs play on the Little Deuce Coupe version of BTTYS, right?
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Recording Without Session Musicians
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on: May 31, 2015, 01:27:55 PM
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It is well known that Brian Wilson and the BBs have been using session musicians since 1964.
The previous year, actually. That's true, he used Steve Douglas and Hal Blaine, among others, since the Surfer Girl album… But I'm talking about songs where session musicians played everything on the tracks, not just additional instrumentation (Pom Pom Play Girl was the first I believe…)
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions
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on: May 31, 2015, 01:26:01 PM
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Be True To Your School is SO overrated. Deirdre, My Diane, All I Wanna Do and Disney Girls are just as good as anything on Pet Sounds. Spirit Of America is better than Endless Summer. Holland is boring to listen to. Endless Harmony is a great song. LADY LYNDA is the best song of LA
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The songs that saved the album..
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on: May 31, 2015, 12:35:06 PM
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MIU: Come Go With Me, My Diane (+maybe Hey Little Tomboy)
The rest of that album is quite sh*t really.
I'm not a big fan of Hey Little Tomboy. Personally, my take on it, is that the narrator is trying to change this tomboy into a woman, despite her wishes. Maybe I'm analyzing too much… I really love Come And Go With Me; it fits in nicely on albums like Sounds Of Summer. But My Diane has to be one of my all-time favorite Dennis vocal. There is just so much emotion!
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: How much has Stamos contributed musically to the group over the years?
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on: May 31, 2015, 10:41:18 AM
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By every objective musicianship-based account I’ve heard, Stamos is an amateur musician. This isn’t a pejorative term in this case. He’s literally an amateur in that, while he has appeared on “professional” recordings and tours, he takes on playing drums or guitar as a hobby.
I wish I could find it, but there was an interview with David Marks from the very early 2000’s, some time not too long after he departed Mike’s band in 1999, and he was asked about Stamos, and he said something along the lines that Stamos would be a better musician if he took time to practice. Similar to my comment above, I took his comments as being very direct and literal. He was kind of indicating Stamos may well have the aptitude and ability to be a good musician, but because he was/is an actor by profession, he never went to great lengths to hone his musicianship.
Every time I’ve heard/seen him, he sounds like just that. He can do passable guitar and drums; he clearly is not bad for a “hobbyist” musician. But his drumming especially is sloppy. It’s the sort of thing that might sound good when he just sits on a drum kit by himself and noodles for a few moments. But it drags down an actual professional band. He’s relatively innocuous if he just plays some inaudible bongos on “Kokomo” or something.
All of this is in reference to his actual musicianship. His *stage presence* is a whole other ball of wax of course.
Stamos is a true fan of the band, of that I’m sure. Judging by the C50 Rolling Stone profile, Stamos liked Brian’s album-ending suite more than even Mike did. I wish Stamos would have or could have done more over the years to be the world’s biggest fan and spearhead something from that point of view (convince Mike to bring up releasing archival material or something) rather than hamboning it up on stage. I also give him a tiny bit of props for at least alluding in a couple of interviews over the years to the fact that his 2000 TV miniseries was a mistake.
I agree. He definitely can drags down the band, when he's playing an important role. Check out this clip of the group playing Catch A Wave. Carl and Al sound great… But Stamos' drumming is slow, and poor all around, and it effects the whole performance. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBiiChCVl6k
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Recording Without Session Musicians
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on: May 30, 2015, 01:04:24 PM
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It is well known that Brian Wilson and the BBs have been using session musicians since 1964. In 1964 and 1965, about half of the material was played by the Wrecking Crew, and half was played by the BBs themselves (Usually Carl- Guitar, Alan- Guitar or Bass, Denny- Drums, Brian-Keys or Bass, Bruce- Keys or Bass). By 1966, for the Pet Sounds album, the "crew" played almost all of the tracks, however Carl would often play guitar with them. But by the Wild Honey Era, the BBs became more of a band again. Although by 1976, when the group was working on 15 Big Ones, Brian brought the Wrecking Crew back to record with the BBs.
When was the last time the BBs recorded a song with little to no, session musician involvement? A record where they play the track. Brian played all the instruments on Love You, and MIU was heavy on session musicians. Could it have been the LA/Keepin The Summer Alive era?
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