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1  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: Christmas albums that are also really good music on: Today at 01:50:51 PM
That Carpenters Christmas stuff is spectacular.  Possibly the most beautiful Christmas album I've heard.  And, IIRC, it was somewhat patterned after a lesser-known LP by Spike Jones, which mixes sentiment with humor. That is also a favorite of mine.

Ringo has a great Christmas album as well, I Want to be Santa Claus.

I think they're called The Fab Four, they have a couple of Christmas CD's that sing Beatle songs as Christmas songs.  Pretty funny!

Yes, The Fab Four Christmas CDs are great. Im glad I got them when I did as they're out of print and can be quite expensive now. 
2  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: New 'Christmas Day' video on: Yesterday at 09:27:42 PM
Great video set to my favorite BB original Christmas song
3  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: Christmas albums that are also really good music on: Yesterday at 08:55:26 PM
I don't care if this costs me my cool points, but...

I really dig the Carpenter's Christmas Portrait. I've always been a huge mark for Karen's voice to begin with, and it's one of the few Christmas albums I can listen to at any point. Arrangements are pretty stellar as well.
Hey, you have good taste! 3D Agree 100% about Karen's voice & the album. It's beautiful!

Vince Gueraldi - A Charlie Brown Christmas  Smiley
Boring beyond. KDS says it's "classic" - I'd like to hear why it is "classic". What's the ways to define Christmas albums as "classic"?

Well, its the soundtrack to possibly the most beloved Christmas Special of all time.  The song Linus and Lucy is an iconic and instantly recognizable piece of music. 

Just hearing the first few notes of Christmas Time is Here fills my heart full of joy and conjures up memories of childhood Christmases.
4  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: What if Brian never met Van Dyke Parks? on: November 22, 2017, 01:06:25 PM
Two more points about whether or not Brian met Van Dyke

1.  Granted who knows how The Beach Boys history would've shaped up.   There's a chance that Landy doesn't get involved, and there's no split in the late 80s from Brian and the band.  If that's the case, does Brian become the prolific solo artist he's become?  It really seemed like putting out Smile, and getting that monkey off his back recharged his batteries.  Although, without Smile, that monkey may not have been there in the first place.

2.  If a history without VDP means that no incarnation of Vegetables appears anywhere in the BB canon, sign me up.   LOL

Ahh man. That final harmony in Vegetables (under the “I know that you’ll feel better” line) is one of their most beautiful moments, imo. And the version on TSS soars miles above even Brian’s BWPS version. Idk, just my personal preference, but that song is one of their coolest from that era.


I'm sorry, but I'll never understand the attraction for that song.  I know it's a fan favorite, but..............

I guess it’s because I’m not really a lyrics person. Those lyrics are completely ridiculous but beyond that there is so much going on creatively it’s unbelievable...chomping on vegetables for rhythm, deep deep chanting, the sound of a far off drum keeping the beat. Then that harmonious ending.

Granted, you’ve obviously heard all this and still dislike it haha, and I understand. Just sharing why I like it.

Fair enough. 

I'm not much into lyrics either to be honest.  I mean, I'm a huge fan of Motley Crue and Poison, as well as The Beach Boys.   
5  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: What if Brian never met Van Dyke Parks? on: November 22, 2017, 12:58:00 PM
Two more points about whether or not Brian met Van Dyke

1.  Granted who knows how The Beach Boys history would've shaped up.   There's a chance that Landy doesn't get involved, and there's no split in the late 80s from Brian and the band.  If that's the case, does Brian become the prolific solo artist he's become?  It really seemed like putting out Smile, and getting that monkey off his back recharged his batteries.  Although, without Smile, that monkey may not have been there in the first place.

2.  If a history without VDP means that no incarnation of Vegetables appears anywhere in the BB canon, sign me up.   LOL

Ahh man. That final harmony in Vegetables (under the “I know that you’ll feel better” line) is one of their most beautiful moments, imo. And the version on TSS soars miles above even Brian’s BWPS version. Idk, just my personal preference, but that song is one of their coolest from that era.


I'm sorry, but I'll never understand the attraction for that song.  I know it's a fan favorite, but..............
6  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: What if Brian never met Van Dyke Parks? on: November 22, 2017, 12:56:37 PM
"Vegetables" is an important part of the whole "Smile" saga. It's, in my opinion, a bit too facile to just take the goofy nature of the song at face value and compare it to other out-and-out inane stuff in the BB catalog.

But beyond that, I'd take ten "Vegetables" and ten more "Unleash the Love" albums to make sure that "Surf's Up" happened, and happened *just the way* it happened. Every part of it. VDP writing the lyrics. The BBs finishing it in 1971. Perfection. It all may have been the cause or symptoms of any number of positives or ills that befell the band, but as a piece in and of itself, perfection. One of the few moments in my life where I've, even if only for a brief moment, thought about whether for like five seconds there Brian really *did* surpass the Beatles.

I'll keep Vegetables if I get to keep Surf's Up.   That much is true.  

But, I think it's still an awful song.  
7  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: What if Brian never met Van Dyke Parks? on: November 22, 2017, 12:54:34 PM
Fair enough, and they're definitely good examples that Mike was likely more willing to move away from surf / car songs than what if sometimes believed......at least prior to Endless Summer.  

I don't think Mike showed a great deal of literal progression in terms of being more and more open to a certain type of lyric. I think it's mostly about whether *he* got to write those lyrics. Again, see his reaction to the ending suite on TWGMTR. He was going on 71 years old, 50 years into the band, and he was *still* not open to themes/lyrics that weren't exactly mind-blowingly negative or morose.

He still didn't "get it" 50 years later. I don't think "Endless Summer" was the main reason for that. I think that's just how he is.

I think Mike did show a lot of progression with his lyrics from 65-73.   Granted, he doesn't like some of Brian's more negative or downer lyrics, but I don't think that means Mike wasn't more open minded than you might think.  
8  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: What if Brian never met Van Dyke Parks? on: November 22, 2017, 12:46:41 PM
Two more points about whether or not Brian met Van Dyke

1.  Granted who knows how The Beach Boys history would've shaped up.   There's a chance that Landy doesn't get involved, and there's no split in the late 80s from Brian and the band.  If that's the case, does Brian become the prolific solo artist he's become?  It really seemed like putting out Smile, and getting that monkey off his back recharged his batteries.  Although, without Smile, that monkey may not have been there in the first place.

2.  If a history without VDP means that no incarnation of Vegetables appears anywhere in the BB canon, sign me up.   LOL
9  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: What if Brian never met Van Dyke Parks? on: November 22, 2017, 12:39:15 PM
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If anything, that exception he makes to Christian's lyrics implies to me that Mike felt other songwriting partners weren't adding anything that he (Mike) couldn't do. And Mike may not have been 100% wrong in that assertion. Not that he would have produced the same lyrics as others like Usher and Asher did, but he probably could have done lyrics on those songs too. 

Please Let Me Wonder and She Knows Me Too Well bears that out, IMHO

And California Girls.   And, after Pet Sounds, Good Vibrations.  Those are two iconic sounds.  That's why I think maybe with VDP in the picture, Brian might be willing to let try try his hand at some lyrics for other musical ideas that wound up on Smile.  

 I completely agree that Mike could show some legit songwriting chops when he wanted to. The problem is, his pushy behavior was always going to be a thorn in Brian side. Brian should’ve been able to go to Mike when he wanted to go to Mike, not when Mike tried to guilt him into making sure he was the collaborator on the next project. That’s textbook toxic guilt trip nonsense 101.

Without the non release of Smile, you might have a more confident Brian Wilson who pushes back if Mike gets pushy.  


Possibly. However, a continually pushy bandmate is not something that Brian of all people should have had to deal with in his life.

Sometimes, I get the feeling you don't like Mike Love very much.

 Grin
10  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: What if Brian never met Van Dyke Parks? on: November 22, 2017, 12:35:28 PM
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If anything, that exception he makes to Christian's lyrics implies to me that Mike felt other songwriting partners weren't adding anything that he (Mike) couldn't do. And Mike may not have been 100% wrong in that assertion. Not that he would have produced the same lyrics as others like Usher and Asher did, but he probably could have done lyrics on those songs too. 

Please Let Me Wonder and She Knows Me Too Well bears that out, IMHO

And California Girls.   And, after Pet Sounds, Good Vibrations.  Those are two iconic sounds.  That's why I think maybe with VDP in the picture, Brian might be willing to let try try his hand at some lyrics for other musical ideas that wound up on Smile. 

Oh yeah, no doubt, was just using those two as progressive ballad examples

Fair enough, and they're definitely good examples that Mike was likely more willing to move away from surf / car songs than what if sometimes believed......at least prior to Endless Summer. 
11  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: What if Brian never met Van Dyke Parks? on: November 22, 2017, 12:33:13 PM
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If anything, that exception he makes to Christian's lyrics implies to me that Mike felt other songwriting partners weren't adding anything that he (Mike) couldn't do. And Mike may not have been 100% wrong in that assertion. Not that he would have produced the same lyrics as others like Usher and Asher did, but he probably could have done lyrics on those songs too. 

Please Let Me Wonder and She Knows Me Too Well bears that out, IMHO

And California Girls.   And, after Pet Sounds, Good Vibrations.  Those are two iconic sounds.  That's why I think maybe with VDP in the picture, Brian might be willing to let try try his hand at some lyrics for other musical ideas that wound up on Smile.  

 I completely agree that Mike could show some legit songwriting chops when he wanted to. The problem is, his pushy behavior was always going to be a thorn in Brian side. Brian should’ve been able to go to Mike when he wanted to go to Mike, not when Mike tried to guilt him into making sure he was the collaborator on the next project. That’s textbook toxic guilt trip nonsense 101.

Without the non release of Smile, you might have a more confident Brian Wilson who pushes back if Mike gets pushy.  

I should say that I don't think that Van Dyke Parks coming into Brian's life was some sort of curse that hexed the band.  My made up scenario might make it seem that way.   But, I do think that Smile was a little more of an albatross than as asset, especially at the time.
12  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: What if Brian never met Van Dyke Parks? on: November 22, 2017, 12:22:33 PM
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If anything, that exception he makes to Christian's lyrics implies to me that Mike felt other songwriting partners weren't adding anything that he (Mike) couldn't do. And Mike may not have been 100% wrong in that assertion. Not that he would have produced the same lyrics as others like Usher and Asher did, but he probably could have done lyrics on those songs too. 

Please Let Me Wonder and She Knows Me Too Well bears that out, IMHO

And California Girls.   And, after Pet Sounds, Good Vibrations.  Those are two iconic sounds.  That's why I think maybe with VDP in the picture, Brian might be willing to let try try his hand at some lyrics for other musical ideas that wound up on Smile.  
13  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: What if Brian never met Van Dyke Parks? on: November 22, 2017, 12:11:11 PM
Here's another thought about potential BB without VDP / Smile. 

If the non release of Smile didn't derail the band, would they have felt the need to shake things up with the addition of Blondie and Ricky in the early 70s?   

14  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: What if Brian never met Van Dyke Parks? on: November 22, 2017, 12:04:14 PM
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The question then becomes, would a different collaborator have stood up to Mike more than Van did?

And if he did, how would Mike have reacted? Would the band have split then, or fired Mike?

This confrontation wouldn't have happened.  Other than Do It Again, Mike pretty much stopped writing songs about cars and surfing in the late 60s / early 70s.   Maybe Good Vibrations gets the Brian / Mike team really going again.

Just because Mike largely stopped writing songs about surfing and cars, that doesn’t mean he was happy about being sidelined as Brian‘s main collaborator. That would’ve still manifested in all sorts of icky behavior. Do you really doubt this?



Maybe if the songs sold, he wouldn't have cared as much. In the In Concert book written by Jon Steebns and Ian Rusten, there are quite a few tidbits of Mike being angry/borderline hostile towards fans who weren't digging the newer material as much, and was also a bit derisive towards the older songs. I think Endless Summer is what turned him into what we know as "Mike Love", because that sold and was all BW/ML compositions.

 I know there is some interview, I can’t recall when, but perhaps the early 1990s… Where Mike speaks about not liking Brian collaborating with other people as early as several years before Pet Sounds. It was then and will always remain a problem,  even if he grinned and beared it sometimes.

To be fair, Mike probably also didn't like the fact that these outside writers managed to get songwriting credits while Mike didn't.  
15  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: What if Brian never met Van Dyke Parks? on: November 22, 2017, 12:02:18 PM
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The question then becomes, would a different collaborator have stood up to Mike more than Van did?

And if he did, how would Mike have reacted? Would the band have split then, or fired Mike?

This confrontation wouldn't have happened.  Other than Do It Again, Mike pretty much stopped writing songs about cars and surfing in the late 60s / early 70s.   Maybe Good Vibrations gets the Brian / Mike team really going again.

Just because Mike largely stopped writing songs about surfing and cars, that doesn’t mean he was happy about being sidelined as Brian‘s main collaborator. That would’ve still manifested in all sorts of icky behavior. Do you really doubt this?

Can't be certain.   If GV is a hit, and BW and VDP aren't trying to piece Smile together, whose to say that Brian and Mike don't start working more together?  

Bottom line is: Brian could never, and I mean never, write a Beach Boys album with a different main collaborator other than Mike, without Mike throwing some sort of hissy fit about it. It would not ever happen.  Mike made the band a very toxic place for his cousin.

What I'm saying is that Brian might not have gone to outside people without VDP. 

Like I said, if Asher were out of the picture, there's no Van Dyke, and GV becomes a huge hit, it would've led to more Brian / Mike songs in the late 60s / early 70s. 

Fair enough… But that said, if Brian still wanted to work with a different outside collaborator, don’t you think what I said is generally accurate?

It depends.  If the songs had mass appeal, and actually sold, I think it's possible Mike would be more on board.   I think with Van Dyke, Mike was more concerned that the lyrics were a little too out there for The Beach Boys than being shut out of the process.  
16  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: What if Brian never met Van Dyke Parks? on: November 22, 2017, 11:57:12 AM
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The question then becomes, would a different collaborator have stood up to Mike more than Van did?

And if he did, how would Mike have reacted? Would the band have split then, or fired Mike?

This confrontation wouldn't have happened.  Other than Do It Again, Mike pretty much stopped writing songs about cars and surfing in the late 60s / early 70s.   Maybe Good Vibrations gets the Brian / Mike team really going again.

Just because Mike largely stopped writing songs about surfing and cars, that doesn’t mean he was happy about being sidelined as Brian‘s main collaborator. That would’ve still manifested in all sorts of icky behavior. Do you really doubt this?

Can't be certain.   If GV is a hit, and BW and VDP aren't trying to piece Smile together, whose to say that Brian and Mike don't start working more together?  

Bottom line is: Brian could never, and I mean never, write a Beach Boys album with a different main collaborator other than Mike, without Mike throwing some sort of hissy fit about it. It would not ever happen.  Mike made the band a very toxic place for his cousin.

What I'm saying is that Brian might not have gone to outside people without VDP. 

Like I said, if Asher were out of the picture, there's no Van Dyke, and GV becomes a huge hit, it would've led to more Brian / Mike songs in the late 60s / early 70s. 
17  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: What if Brian never met Van Dyke Parks? on: November 22, 2017, 11:52:42 AM
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The question then becomes, would a different collaborator have stood up to Mike more than Van did?

And if he did, how would Mike have reacted? Would the band have split then, or fired Mike?

This confrontation wouldn't have happened.  Other than Do It Again, Mike pretty much stopped writing songs about cars and surfing in the late 60s / early 70s.   Maybe Good Vibrations gets the Brian / Mike team really going again.

Just because Mike largely stopped writing songs about surfing and cars, that doesn’t mean he was happy about being sidelined as Brian‘s main collaborator. That would’ve still manifested in all sorts of icky behavior. Do you really doubt this?

Can't be certain.   If GV is a hit, and BW and VDP aren't trying to piece Smile together, whose to say that Brian and Mike don't start working more together? 
18  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: What if Brian never met Van Dyke Parks? on: November 22, 2017, 11:48:55 AM
Kind of a side point on the issue of how the BBs became a jukebox show in later years, I think it was inevitable to some degree, even if they *had* scored major hits later in the 70s or even the 80s.

Those early songs/hits were so great that they never would have abandoned them. There would have been various eras where those early hits saw renewed intensified interest. Had the BBs scored a few more legitimately hit albums in the 70s and 80s, the live show still would have had some surf and car songs.

If they had had some more hit singles in the 70s and 80s, those would have been integrated into the setlist (the same way "Kokomo" was in 1988). But if they had scored a hit album in, say, 1978, that never would have made them go back and do deep cuts regularly from 1969 or 1972 or whatever.


I think if they continued to have hits into the 70s or 80s, their setlists would be somewhat like with The Rolling Stones do with a good mix of the 60s, 70s, and 80s. 
19  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: What if Brian never met Van Dyke Parks? on: November 22, 2017, 11:47:03 AM
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The question then becomes, would a different collaborator have stood up to Mike more than Van did?

And if he did, how would Mike have reacted? Would the band have split then, or fired Mike?

This confrontation wouldn't have happened.  Other than Do It Again, Mike pretty much stopped writing songs about cars and surfing in the late 60s / early 70s.   Maybe Good Vibrations gets the Brian / Mike team really going again.
20  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: What if Brian never met Van Dyke Parks? on: November 22, 2017, 11:44:46 AM
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Also, if Capitol is getting good selling current BB albums, maybe they don't put together Endless Summer in 1974, and The Beach Boys never get transformed into a touring juke box, and don't try to copy themselves so much.    
 
You're kind of thinking along the same lines as I was.  Of course, we can't possibly know, but  amazing how one chance encounter  can alter the course of history.

I think the followup to Pet Sounds might have been similar to Wild Honey, personally. I definitely think it would have been a case where they did move on from the pre-Pet Sounds sounds. One thing, though..without that massive hype that SMiLE had, would they have faded out sooner than they did? GV would've bought them some time, but Brian was writing in snippets at that point either way. So, would we have gotten something SMiLE-ish but with different lyrics/concept?

I think, like I alluded to, you might've gotten songs similar to many of the Smile songs, but with different lyrics.  But I think without trying so hard to piece everything together into one cohesive piece, it would've wound up being just a collection of songs.  I'd like GV and H&V would still be on that album.  

I don't think it was the hype of Smile that led to them fading (in the eyes of the record buying public anyway).   I think it had more to do with following the hype of Smile with the....I'll just use Carl's word "bunt" that was Smiley Smile.

Granted, without Smile, I think the fanbase shifts a lot.  You might not have some of the indie fans discovering Brian Wilson late in his career.  You certainly wouldn't have had music fans taking bootlegs and trying to figure out how the album would've sounded.  
21  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: What if Brian never met Van Dyke Parks? on: November 22, 2017, 11:25:17 AM
Sorry, double post
22  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Your Top 3 Favorite Solo Albums on: November 22, 2017, 11:22:29 AM
Nice choices and comments from both of you. KDS, have you at least heard the Youngblood song, What You Do To Me ? Opinions are mixed on that one, but I always thought that it would have been a hit if released as a Beach Boys single. I love that one. Carl sounds absolutely incredible on it. Probably my favorite Carl solo song. Up there with Heaven.



I don't think I have.   I'll check it out.
23  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: What if Brian never met Van Dyke Parks? on: November 22, 2017, 11:21:26 AM
I'd like to hope that had Brian and VDP never met, we'd have still gotten some incarnation of Surf's Up, Heroes and Villains, Wonderful, Our Prayer, and Cabinessence.  The lyrics would obviously be different, maybe supplied by Tony Asher, Mike Love, or another different outside writer.  

Without a non released Smile album, the followup to Pet Sounds, I think, would've been completely different.  I doubt Smiley Smile would exist.  Instead, maybe we'd have gotten a more fitting (IMO) follow up to Pet Sounds.  Without a Smile concept to try to make the songs fit into, Brian may have been able to put an album together in 1967 that takes the best musical parts of Smile with different lyrics that might not necessarily be a full piece of work.  Maybe you'd get the songs I mentioned before plus Good Vibrations.  

Without the concept hanging over Brian's head, if he were to get the best musical parts of GV, H&V, Cabinessence, Surf's Up, Wonderful, and Our Prayer onto a 1967 album to follow up Pet Sounds, the Beach Boys career might not have been quite as derailed as it was with the non release of the anticipated Smile.  Maybe said album sells better than Smiley Smile did, and the US record buying public doesn't turn their back on the band, and is a little more accepting of The Beach Boys evolving sound.  

There's a possibility here that Wild Honey and Friends are still released in their mostly existing forms, but if there's a more successful followup to Pet Sounds, they sell more.  Maybe Capitol doesn't cut ties with the band at the end of the decade, the Boys make a more accepted transition to being an album band in the late 60s, into the 70s.  

And without the "Smile" songs making it onto 20/20 and Surf's Up, that might've opened up some room for the some of the great songs that got left off albums at the time.  

Also, if Capitol is getting good selling current BB albums, maybe they don't put together Endless Summer in 1974, and The Beach Boys never get transformed into a touring juke box, and don't try to copy themselves so much.    
24  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Your Top 3 Favorite Solo Albums on: November 22, 2017, 10:49:10 AM
1.  Brian Wilson - That Lucky Old Sun - I think it's by far the most consistent of Brian's solo albums.   I also think it's the best produced of BW's solo career.   Plus, a nice mix of uptempo songs and ballads make for a nice listening experience. 

2.  Brian Wilson - What I Really Want for Christmas - I had to really think about my second favorite solo album, as there a few fighting for the #2 spot - Imagination and No Pier Pressure among them.  But, I'm going with my gut.  I listen to this album almost as much as I do The Beach Boys Christmas album this time of year.  I love the sound of this album, as there's a certain looseness to it, and it sounds to me like Brian and his band are having a fun time making it. 

3.  Brian Wilson - Imagination - I knew it was going to be one of the Brian / Joe Thomas albums.  I'd giving this one the slight edge over No Pier Pressure.  While I like the sound of No Pier Pressure better, and the high points might be just a little higher, I think the low points are much much lower.   Plus, I really like the album.   It was a long road from frog in the throat vocals to shouty vocals, but Brian's older voice seems to finally find itself on this album.   

*****I should say that I've actually never listened to any of the albums from Carl, David, Bruce, or Mike, so I can't rate them.   
25  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike Love - Unleash the Love - Due November 17 - w/ 2nd Disc of BB Remakes on: November 22, 2017, 09:29:56 AM

If Mike was doing dozen of technically "solo" gigs per year with the same band, wearing "Beach Boys" baseball caps and showing pics of the BBs on the video screen and prominently using the BB name in ads, then maybe BRI would take issue. Maybe.

I doubt it.  At BW shows, Al Jardine is regularly introduced as "original Beach Boy."  Brian's tours the last few years has used the iconic Pet Sounds font for merch, programs, and the BB name is used in some advertising.  

Plus, I'd think if Mike did a solo tour, it would likely be in intimate venues that wouldn't accommodate his video screen.  

Brian Wilson isn't licensing the Beach Boys name to tour. That's the big difference. It always is *every time* someone tries to compare what Brian does to what Mike does. They aren't in the same boat contractually/legally.

In the hypothetical scenario I described, BRI would only consider taking action because their *exclusive* licensee would be attempting to circumvent the license by doing everything but putting the "Beach Boys" name on the marquee and ticket. It would be essentially a case of BRI saying "If you want the license, then you have to at least generate revenue for us; so if you start using extensive elements of the trademark without paying us, then we're losing out on the only thing we get out of issuing you the exclusive license."

Also, Al Jardine has said in interviews that his *current* tour with Brian Wilson has received friendly "reminders" about how they bill themselves as "original Beach Boys." It has also been said that is not only the licensor (BRI), but also the *licensee* that is involved in taking action, or issuing "friendly reminders" via attorneys regarding use of the name. So the other shareholders might be a *bit* more likely to finally take action, or at least issue some "friendly reminders" of their own, if Mike (the *exclusive* licensee of the BB trademark) did the same thing Brian and Al have been warned off doing.

That's fine.  But, I'm just failing to see why BRI would take issue if Mike did a solo tour (which we all know won't happen anyway) with images of The Beach Boys behind him while wearing a Beach Boys cap.

As long as the ticket doesn't say "The Beach Boys" or the show is preceded with "Ladies and Gentlemen.....THE BEACH BOYS," I fail to see why BRI would have an issue. 
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