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2626  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Did Landy ever realize he did anything wrong? on: March 13, 2015, 01:41:25 PM
Well in the BS Landy/Brian biography Landy made sure to put something in there about how he was going to SAVE Denny next and obviously ran out of time.

My two cents. I give Landy nearly NO credit in any form. A thousand reputable doctors could have/should have treated Brian. People speculate on what if's here all the time. What if a true doctor, instead of that hack that drugged the hell out of Brian, had helped him.

Not just that. The book blames Carl for supposedly wanting to wait until after Christmas to begin Dennis' treatment. He is indirectly blamed for Dennis' death on his older brother's autobio-- it must have been heartbreaking for Carl.

Yes, that was despicable.

As I recall (the copy I had of that awful book is long since gone), the book said that part of the treatment would have been an intervention, and since Carl figured -- probably correctly -- that Dennis would put up a big fight and probably make things ugly, that Carl decided to wait until after the first of the year to spare Audree any drama during the holiday season.

Of course, what that book DIDN'T mention is that Carl had tried to get Dennis help for years and had offered to have the Beach Boys pay for the treatment and buy the Harmony back for Dennis if he stayed clean.

Pointing all that out would have gotten in the way of Landy's agenda.
Exactly. Landy hated Carl because he was the one trying to separate the dr from his patient/hostage/victim. Again, I have to think all the trauma Carl endured trying to take care of his brothers took years off his own life. He always put others before himself. Only the sickest MF ever would blame Carl for Dennis' death.
2627  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: \ on: March 12, 2015, 10:23:54 PM
It always amazes me to read of Brian making music in 1975, because the officially told story is always "I spent 3 years in bed", he didn't want to make music, just wanted to take dope and sleep.
2628  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: New Monkees Fan on: March 12, 2015, 10:20:03 PM
Pool It came up in one of the BBs threads and I thought I'd use this one rather than derailing the former. It's one of the only Monkees albums I've never listened to. Is it as bad as people say or is a lot of it to do with disappointment that they reverted to session musicians and outside writers. Or both?

Yeah, it's pretty bad. The songs are weak.
They blew their opportunity to have a comeback with new material. It might have had some success, even with that dated 80's production - because that production style was "in" in 1987, but they needed much better songs, and it sure would have helped if they had sung on each other's songs. The Monkees, as singers, actually had a very nice vocal blend - think of "Pleasant Valley Sunday", "Words", "Cuddly Toy", "Forget That Girl". "Pool it" sounds like the work of 3 guys who said "well, we're really popular again, so we have to make an album...but we really don't want to".
2629  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian's I'm So Lonely vs. Sade's Your Love is King on: March 12, 2015, 10:14:20 PM
The similarity to the Sade song is more in the production than the song itself. Blame Steve Levine.
2630  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Did Landy ever realize he did anything wrong? on: March 12, 2015, 10:11:46 PM
Well in the BS Landy/Brian biography Landy made sure to put something in there about how he was going to SAVE Denny next and obviously ran out of time.

My two cents. I give Landy nearly NO credit in any form. A thousand reputable doctors could have/should have treated Brian. People speculate on what if's here all the time. What if a true doctor, instead of that hack that drugged the hell out of Brian, had helped him.

Not just that. The book blames Carl for supposedly wanting to wait until after Christmas to begin Dennis' treatment. He is indirectly blamed for Dennis' death on his older brother's autobio-- it must have been heartbreaking for Carl.
Right. In the book, everything is Carl's fault. Carl, the one Wilson brother who sobered up on his own, is the demon, the one coming between Brian and the Doctor/angel/Godsend who saved his life. In that pathetic interview with Diane Sawyer, Landy said "the family beats him (Brian) up". Yeah, I can just see Carl, Audree, Carnie and Wendy physically or verbally beating the piss out of poor Brian...NOT! Landy was an evil control freak who just couldn't stand the thought of anyone gaining access to his Frankenstein and possibly having any influence on him.
2631  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian to release a 7\ on: March 10, 2015, 10:22:37 PM
I keep seeing the titles of these songs on the single and thinking "nighttime is The Right Time, it's starlight time..." and "Sail Away" is either a Randy Newman song or a remake of the second track from Orange Crate Art.
2632  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Did Landy ever realize he did anything wrong? on: March 10, 2015, 10:17:45 PM
I often wonder if Carl ever regretted bringing Landy back into Brian's life? I guess the family thought "nothing else has worked, so let's bring Landy back"...and originally it was kind of implied that after 2..3....4 years...how many years?...that Brian would have his independence. At some point it became clear that Landy was never going to leave, and finally legal action was taken.  I still think the stress and strain of this situation took a few years off Carl's life.
2633  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Lesser albums by the BBs compared to lesser albums by their contemporaries on: March 09, 2015, 10:38:39 PM
If the Beatles had stayed together as long as the Beach Boys, eventually they would have put out 1 or 2 plain awful albums. Thankfully, the former Fabs blessed us with such unlistenable solo works as George's Electronic Sound; John & Yoko's Two Virgins, Life with the Lions, and Wedding Album; Ringo the 4th; Paul's Off the Ground and ...well, that could quite a lengthy list. The cute Beatle keeps cranking them out, for better or for worse.

Off The Ground is a BEAUTIFUL piece of work.


Pipes of Peace and Press To Play are the stinkers in the McCartney catalog.
Off the Ground is just awful, maybe one or two decent songs - "Hope Of Deliverance" is nice; 'Press to Play" is another one i can't stand. Might be a couple of good tunes on there, but they're buried under all that 80's production. I don't know why "Pipes of Peace" gets knocked so much - maybe just because it was the followup to "Tug of War"? There's nothing as masterful on POP as "Take it Away", "Wanderlust", or "Somebody Who Cares", but i still find it a good listen. "The Other Me" and "Keep Under Cover" have nice tunes, even if the lyrics are a little dodgy.
2634  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian's greatest lead vocal on: March 09, 2015, 10:34:08 PM
Has anyone here ever tried to sing Brian's lead on "Heroes and Villains"? That is hard - and i like to think of myself as a singer. Hard to pick just one song, though - "The Warmth of the Sun", "She Knows Me Too Well", "Surf's Up". Carl became the best singer in the group, but in the early days, it was definitely Brian.
2635  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Did Landy ever realize he did anything wrong? on: March 09, 2015, 10:30:15 PM
I seriously doubt it. Did this man have any redeeming qualities?
2636  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Lesser albums by the BBs compared to lesser albums by their contemporaries on: March 06, 2015, 11:03:58 PM
Monkees are not comparable. Who By Numbers is a brave,  abrasive album, well superior to Who Are You. I can only co spider the Who, Kinks and Rolling Stones as comparable to BBs given the time they started and finished, thus Dirty Work by the Stones stands as a wretched product equal to the worst of the BBs.

Dirty work is only "wretched" compared to OTHER STONES records.  It is miles better than the BB worst stuff.  In fact, you just stumbled upon the answer:  The Stones have held a MUCH higher level of quality throughout their entire career than anyone else by a long shot.  /thread
Well, I can't think of a Kinks album that ranks as low as SIP. Soap Opera is my least favorite, but I wouldn't call it absolutely awful.

People rip on Think Visual a lot but I LOVED that album.
It's not one of my favorites, but I love Working at the Factory, Lost and Found, and When You Were a Child.
2637  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Lesser albums by the BBs compared to lesser albums by their contemporaries on: March 06, 2015, 11:02:36 PM
Well, I can't think of a Kinks album that ranks as low as SIP. Soap Opera is my least favorite, but I wouldn't call it absolutely awful.

UK Jive and Phobia are tragic, The Kinks really had lost it by the last couple of albums.
P.S. Soap Opera is a campy classic.
Tragic? No, I love those albums. How can any Kinks fan not love Looney Balloon, War is Over, Scattered, or Hatred?
2638  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Lesser albums by the BBs compared to lesser albums by their contemporaries on: March 06, 2015, 02:07:29 PM
Monkees are not comparable. Who By Numbers is a brave,  abrasive album, well superior to Who Are You. I can only co spider the Who, Kinks and Rolling Stones as comparable to BBs given the time they started and finished, thus Dirty Work by the Stones stands as a wretched product equal to the worst of the BBs.

Dirty work is only "wretched" compared to OTHER STONES records.  It is miles better than the BB worst stuff.  In fact, you just stumbled upon the answer:  The Stones have held a MUCH higher level of quality throughout their entire career than anyone else by a long shot.  /thread
Well, I can't think of a Kinks album that ranks as low as SIP. Soap Opera is my least favorite, but I wouldn't call it absolutely awful.
2639  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Lesser albums by the BBs compared to lesser albums by their contemporaries on: March 05, 2015, 10:55:48 PM
Justus is no picnic either.

I like Justus. It's no match for PACJLTD or Headquarters, though.
2640  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: David Crosby on Mike Love on: March 05, 2015, 10:54:01 PM
Which just goes to prove the following:

1 - sometimes the born-agains can be the worst kind...

2 - Roger McGuinn is an idiot.

1. And sometimes we're not. For instance, Chris Hillman or me. So one really shouldn't single out a particular belief here;
2. This is likely true.
I call myself a Christian, and I've heard the 'unequally yoked' argument many times, but I find it strange that McGuinn uses that as a reason to not reunite with Crosby. He often shares the stage with performers who presumably don't share his beliefs - John Sebastian, Arlo Guthrie, Richie Havens (RIP). Maybe it's just code language for saying "I don't like the guy". And everyone I have talked to that has met Roger says he's a great guy...but we all have our quirks.

Yeah, this is one of those scriptures that becomes a point of legalism when taken out of context. Paul was talking to the church in Corinth that was having a hard time separating from their former pagan practices. He was telling them that they cannot practice both Christianity and Paganism, since they are mutually exclusive, spiritually. He was not suggesting that they cannot associate with non-Christians.

Having said that, I have no idea why that's an issue for McGuinn.
Well it must be something relatively new to his belief system; he had no qualms about reuniting with Hillman and Clark in the late 70's, or Hillman and Crosby circa 1990.
2641  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Lesser albums by the BBs compared to lesser albums by their contemporaries on: March 05, 2015, 01:44:31 PM
The Monkees "Pool It". A once great group doesn't sink any lower than this.
Well, it didn't help that the best songwriter in the group, Papa Nez, was not involved; or that the other 3 did not assist each other on their tracks.
2642  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: David Crosby on Mike Love on: March 05, 2015, 01:42:36 PM
Which just goes to prove the following:

1 - sometimes the born-agains can be the worst kind...

2 - Roger McGuinn is an idiot.

1. And sometimes we're not. For instance, Chris Hillman or me. So one really shouldn't single out a particular belief here;
2. This is likely true.
I call myself a Christian, and I've heard the 'unequally yoked' argument many times, but I find it strange that McGuinn uses that as a reason to not reunite with Crosby. He often shares the stage with performers who presumably don't share his beliefs - John Sebastian, Arlo Guthrie, Richie Havens (RIP). Maybe it's just code language for saying "I don't like the guy". And everyone I have talked to that has met Roger says he's a great guy...but we all have our quirks.
2643  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Lesser albums by the BBs compared to lesser albums by their contemporaries on: March 04, 2015, 10:33:47 PM
eventually they would have put out 1 or 2 plain awful albums.

Hehe, IMHO the Beatles did do that with their last two ones! Grin

Not a fan of Let It Be, but I think it's at least competent. Love Abbey Road. White Album has enough great songs for a great album if egos didn't ensure the good was buried in a mountain of filler. Honestly, I think Pepper is fluff.

Even so, no band I can think of has a SIP to answer for. You don't get to just discount it because Brian wasn't involved. Even if you do, 15 Big Ones is almost as awful and DID include Brian, so...
Well, if we can include the Brian-less SIP, then I guess we can include the final Lovin' Spoonful album, minus Sebastian and Zally, Revelation '69 or whatever it's called. Just awful - and I actually liked Joe Butler's songs on the earlier albums, but a whole album of his stuff? No thanks.
2644  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: David Crosby on Mike Love on: March 04, 2015, 10:30:52 PM
Maybe Mike should tweet Crosby and ask why Roger McGuinn isn't exactly breaking down his door trying to get a Byrds reunion going with him?
McGuinn addresses this on his website, he says "a reunion of the 3 surviving original Byrds won't happen because of of the guys is not a Christian". McGuinn quotes that Bible verse about "not being unequally yoked together with unbelievers." Yet Chris Hillman, also a devout Christian, says he would love to reunite with the guys one more time. Whatever. Roll Eyes
2645  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Lesser albums by the BBs compared to lesser albums by their contemporaries on: March 03, 2015, 11:07:39 PM
If the Beatles had stayed together as long as the Beach Boys, eventually they would have put out 1 or 2 plain awful albums. Thankfully, the former Fabs blessed us with such unlistenable solo works as George's Electronic Sound; John & Yoko's Two Virgins, Life with the Lions, and Wedding Album; Ringo the 4th; Paul's Off the Ground and ...well, that could quite a lengthy list. The cute Beatle keeps cranking them out, for better or for worse.
2646  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Best \ on: March 03, 2015, 04:15:57 PM
My vote goes to Ten Years of Harmony, but all of these comps have my scratching my head at some choices, and wanting to make my own comp.  3 "MIU" songs on TYOH, but only one "Love You" and 2 "LA"? And where are Dennis' songs (other than "River Song) ?
2647  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: David Crosby on Mike Love on: March 03, 2015, 04:10:39 PM
Pot calling the kettle black?
2648  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: 'The Beach Boys' Live.... on: March 02, 2015, 11:20:12 PM
From all I've heard (reviews, videos, audio recordings) you'll see a very cool show and certainly will have a lot of fun. But unfortunately you come too late to see "The Beach Boys". The last time you could was 2012 and I don't think it will ever happen again. Nowadays you (again) have at least two very good bands playing the songs (Brian&Al - Mike&Bruce, David Marks joining from time to time and I don't know what will happen with Blondie and Ricky in the future) but The Beach Boys is over.
If you got the time and the money I'd say you should definitely check out Mike&Bruce.

Must disagree. The last time anyone saw "The Beach Boys" perform was the summer of 1997.  Every version since has been lacking, though the 2012 tour came closer than any other.

And to the OP:  Since my knowledge on the value of a quid – much less "fourty" of them – is nonexistent, I can be of no help to you.

Must disagree. The last time anyone saw "The Beach Boys" perform outside a recording studio was some time in 1965 when Brian rejoined the group for a few occasional gigs after leaving the touring group IN LATE !)&$. The boys were only the Beach Boys as long as Brian's old voice, bass guitar and presence were part of the mix.  When Brian left, sadly the band died.  There's really no disputing that fact. OR IS IT???!? Roll Eyes

Touché…I guess.

But the point is: The Beach Boys did die as a band shortly after Carl's death. And – all condescension aside – there really is no disputing that fact.

Really don't know why you seem to think your opinion, and ONLY your opinion is a fact  Sounds bloody bull-headed to me.
Fact is the Beach Boys are still touring, so as a band they haven't died yet, even tho some of us believe they stopped in 1965 / 1983 / 1997 or... 

Sorry, bgas; wasn't trying to be bullheaded.  I thought it was a known fact that the touring band broke up after Carl's death.  But I do agree with your argument that a band known as the Beach Boys exists today.  And I'm glad that Mike and Bruce are keeping the band's music alive.

The classic lineup died with Carl, if not Dennis. I think though, that as long as there is some direct lineage to the original band there will always be a Beach Boys touring group. I have to admit I often wonder if Mike and Bruce or BRI have discussed plans for the 'name' in the event that they pass on or are no longer able to perform. Of course this would be too morbid a subject to ask them about directly, but I'm sure I'm not the only one who has wondered.
Well, Mike is going to live to be 100, so that "passing of the baton" is a ways off. But when Dr. Love does finally take that trip to the other side, the Beach Boys name will revert to Brian - because Brian is going to outlive all of them.
2649  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: David Marks takes a stand against band politics, stands up for Brian, Mike, Al on: March 01, 2015, 01:44:23 PM
I go see them all as often as I can.   And I ALWAYS enjoy the show.   always have.   My only complaint through the past several years is that Al could have been in the Beachboys without missing a show since the death of Carl.  Glad he has become a somewhat regular player in the organization again.    man has the voice and everybody knows it.   His exclusion has short changed the band and the fans, and the man.    Otherwise things are cool .
Al is back in the Beach Boys?
2650  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: \ on: February 26, 2015, 11:29:29 PM
I will enjoy this one.
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