I don't think Shyin' Away is on the album...However itIS a great track. I've converted quite a few people to the BW cause using Shyin'Away and Sweet Mountain. Totally beautiful stuff.

Yeah, I actually heard the reason it didn't come out on the box set was because Carl was unhappy with his vocal, although it is nowhere near as bad as It's Over Now.

I love that CountryAir idea, but isn't it pretty clear that Vegetables was the earth section? Frank Holmes must have gotten his ideas from what BW told him...Anyway, the elements ideas are great, but without the cross-fades. More like a GV type thing where there are hard edits. Just a guess though.

Oh man! I feel like H&V HAS to be 2nd (after prayer). The cantina version. Then you can move things along with Worms, then back to H&V (sections) followed by OMP/YAMS, Wondeful, CITFOTM and the usual Vigotone sort of order. Definately end with Surf's Up. And GV must start off Side Two. That's how BW did it with SS, and it sounds great having both sides start with a hit. I wanna be around goes After  fire. I never know what to do with WMT, though it's cool between GV and WC. I try to make a pretty concise album; 14 tracks, no cross-fades, just like a standard album in '66/67. H&V sections is the only real iffy thing...can't imagine how/if it would really go on an album, but think it's cool enough to be there. All the other stuff goes on a supplemental CD titled Dumb Angel.

Just listening to BWPS now as I type, and I gotta say, it's doing nothing for me. When it came out I was scared/excited just like anyone else, and was kinda bummed after that first hearing. I was really hoping some interesting questions would be answered, like what does part2 of Sur's Up sound like. Turns out it sounds just like how Carl pasted it together, except with crappy strings that were TOO in tune. Turns out as well that CITFOTM's lead vocal melody sounds nothing like a BW melody, lacking any dynamics or heart, but sounds more like anybody could have written it. Same for Holliday. There just were not any revelations (except for Worms) and it didn't sound very good. The more I hear it, the more I'm convinced BW had very little to do with BWPS; certainly his heart and soul were not even close to being invested in it.

I think that kid is his cousin or nephew who also appears in some of the Vega-Tables promo photos of BW with Vosse and Anderle. I understand the band pre-recorded those Sullivan tunes and sang along with the tracks. DW is definately puffing tuff!! I'll have to go watch it now to see if that's Landy...

Wait, is Tones the outro of Hollidays? Or is it an other mis-labled track. My Smile memory-recall seems to have faded of late, so I'm just trying to figure out what you guys are talking about. P.S. As for You're Welcome being recorded so early, I was under the (mistaken) impression that it was something BW just threw together at the last minute for the H&V single. Note to Self; study sessionography before making stupid statements!

Just based on the little I've read here, it sounds like a craptastic waste of valuable time, assuming BW is putting any time into it and it's not just his handlers pushing him around. Geez, that sounds cynical! But seriously, I need a good album from the guy more than I need weird exclusive engagements in England!!

He did a pretty good/slightly boring album with Dion around '74ish and a craptastic record with leonard cohen later in the 70's.

I really think it was the blow that trashed Brian and Denny's voices. Booze and smokes didn't help, of course.

Sidewinder, you are totally right. Brian is THE reason for Smile's no-show. Five years ago I would have strangled anyone who said that, but it seems obvious now.

There is that conversation between Al and Brian and Carl about Prayer being the 'intro to the album', so I feel like I must put it first, and end it with 'You're Welcome', even though that is also sort of an introductory type-o-thing. But, then again, 'You're Welcome' is technically post-Smile, so I guess I'm screwed no matter what!!

Sheriff John Stone,
While I'd like to consider myself an expert, I'm really just an obsessive fan who gets his info from all the usual sources, but thanks for the complement! About Tones; is there a question about when it was recorded, or what it was intended for? I get confused about all this new info I've read on these boards. Is the suggestion that it may be a Carl tune? It's the track with all the marimbas, right? Or is that holliday? Damn, I really am confused, and me with no CD's nearby to reference!!!!!!

No way! Who does what, and when? Ever since joining this board my fragile hold on reality has become ever so tenuous!!!

Hi Allen,
Not sure if you are the right guy to answer this, but I was listening to my local oldies station when Cal.Girls came on. But not just any CG, the stereo CG! I've also noticed the radio playing GOK in stereo, and maybe a few others. What I was wondering is; Where do most radio stations get there tunes from? Do they get updated material as it becomes available, or is it up to each station to stay up on these things? Just curious...

I'm totally with you on the whole converting the unelightened thing and the reading/writing about the BB when I should be doing anything else thing, but CWTL was recorded AFTER what most people consider the Smile period, so what is there to argue about? Had Smile come out after SS or WH it very well may have included CWTL, but it didn't, and Smile '66/'67 is what most people consider to be smile. I guess you could argue that, since it was gonna come out in '70/'71 that Sail Plane Song might be a Smile relic. At some point there must be a line to draw. Nonetheless, I admire all those who are spreading the word and trying to do it as accurately as possible.

Since when did Al sing Vega-tables?! Did Al secretly sing all the songs I thought were done by BW?

Ever since I first got into the BB, which was @ '84, I have strongly disliked Mike Love. Why? Well, you all know the answer.  But now I'm starting to think I've been tricked. Leaf and Gaines were the first guys I read, and they paint a picture of Mike as a total ass. I agree that he seems extremely short-sighted, artisticly speeking, and comes across in interviews as an egomaniac and revisionist, which he probably is. Still, there is evidence that he at least thinks he is doing the right thing (Like in that Maury Povich piece from '91) and has genuine love for his cousins. Don't get me wrong, I LOVE BW and was even named after him by my all too cool mom, but I am wondering who is the real revisionist, Love or Leaf?

Brian: Please let me wonder
Mike: All I wanna do
Denny: Little bird
Carl: Darlin
Al: Be here in the morning (still not sure that's really him!
Bruce: Disney Girls

What I don't follow is why it matters if it was a smile track or not (and it wasn't). It's a great, if unfinished, song that incorporates many of BW's different production styles and some sweet vox. You can put it on your smile mix, just like I can put Guess I'm Dumb on my Pet Sounds mix. Doesn't mean that's when it's from or what is was for. Is this confusion all from that old Smile boot? Man, I had no idea so many people had that.

I bet it's Adult Child, complete, and just like Darian would've done it!

What's the deal with Sandler? He seems to be the least known of Brian's collaborators, yet he helped write sme amazing songs on the Spring album. Does he still exist? What else did he do. Where did he come from? Etc. etc.

Hey, I was wondering if you, or anybody has any information on the Sping demo "Walls". I assume that's Rocky singing, but I also here a good-voiced Brian singing during the 2nd half of the tune. When does this track date from? Any other info would be great. P.S. Sorry if this was covered somewhere already!

Wow. It's cool to see how these threads develop. I kinda like the 'don't trust Brian's camp' camp's angle. Soon it will be proven that Mike was the only guy who knew what was going on!! Talk about alternate histoy

I know this may be too close to 'fan fiction', but I've always fantasized that:
       The BB actually broke up that day in '78 ('79?) on the tarmac in front of the Rolling Stone reporter
       Somehow the three wilson bros. got it together enough to (1) not die and (2) form a new musical entity.
 This accomplishes several things, including giving the BB a nice, natural death instead of the painfully long one we are still watching, and maybe giving us some great Denny/Carl/Brian tunes. Anyone else have any alternate history ideas? Hope this isn't too stupid a question....