Consider that a quarter billion people were killed in the 20th century alone BY THEIR GOVERNMENTS, and that does not include war.

Consider that over 20 million children's lives in Africa alone have been saved over the last 5 years due to international foreign aid. Governments can do bad things and they can do good things. Neither are particularly good arguments for keeping or getting rid of governments.

FAIL!
Are you saying nobody would help anyone else if the government didn't make them?!
Since the government can only use force to do anything (including 'good' things) it IS ALWAYS BAD.
Remember, the government is made of people. Obvious, but important. By your logic, only these amazing people in government have any desire to help anyone and, shucks, nobody will voluntarily give them their money, so they are just gonna have to take your money and do something good for you, because you (who is also a person) are incapable of choosing how best to use your limited resources. What a joke!

How about separation of Me and State? Is that possible? (waits for the "love it or leave it crowd" to chime in)

How about the separation of everyone from State. But to do this you need to be prepared to actually acknowledge what that means and it also means being prepared to engage with real ideas and do real work rather than the self-justifying back-slapping intellectual exercises that is the contemporary American faux-Libertarian movement.

That would be the ultimate goal, but clearly many people LOVE LOVE LOVE the state and its interference in all aspects of life.I'm only asking 'can I opt out?" I already know I cannot. I do, however, try to live as freely as possible in my personal life, and that means rejecting people who, having heard the arguments (non-aggression principle) still believe force should be used against me to do what they want (public schooling, war, whatever). So, yeah, I know you have to be ready to cut a lot of ties in order to live by your principles.

Grillo, Maybe it’s not that people want to love the state, just that no one’s figured out a better way to fund roads, bridges, airports, police, firemen, and yes military.  Are you saying you want to opt out of roads?  LOL

Ahh yes, the roads. Only the government can build, maintain, or develop technologies that allow folks to get around, right? There are literally entire books written about that fallacy, so you'll forgive me if I don't try to tackle that with one post.
However, as I've argued many times before, it really doesn't matter who builds the roads or who funds what.  It seems far more important to recognize that there is an organization at the center of society that's only way of getting things done is by using force, or the threat of force, and which forbids individuals from engaging in the very practices that it monopolizes.
       When the state is recognized as the violent, sociopathic institution it is it becomes easy to see that almost any other way of getting needs met would be better.
Consider that a quarter billion people were killed in the 20th century alone BY THEIR GOVERNMENTS, and that does not include war. Surely those murdered could have come up with a better solution. It seems obvious that the only kind of just relationship is a voluntary one, where everyone's needs can be met without force or coercion.
Anyway,
If you are actually interested in other folks' thoughts on these topics, I'd be happy to provide you with some resources.

How about separation of Me and State? Is that possible? (waits for the "love it or leave it crowd" to chime in)

How about the separation of everyone from State. But to do this you need to be prepared to actually acknowledge what that means and it also means being prepared to engage with real ideas and do real work rather than the self-justifying back-slapping intellectual exercises that is the contemporary American faux-Libertarian movement.

That would be the ultimate goal, but clearly many people LOVE LOVE LOVE the state and its interference in all aspects of life.I'm only asking 'can I opt out?" I already know I cannot. I do, however, try to live as freely as possible in my personal life, and that means rejecting people who, having heard the arguments (non-aggression principle) still believe force should be used against me to do what they want (public schooling, war, whatever). So, yeah, I know you have to be ready to cut a lot of ties in order to live by your principles.

How about separation of Me and State? Is that possible? (waits for the "love it or leave it crowd" to chime in)

I'm almost a million percent sure that the new mono IS REMIXED, not just remastered. I read it somewhere on this here forum back when the remasters came out (last year?).

Hey, Just to brag a little, I'm supposed to have lunch w/ Sandy Salisbury next month! One of my buddies is a pal of his.

Although I'm not at all into his voice, the one time I talked to Jeff he happily hung out with me and my friend and asked us what our favorite songs were and was a very nice guy. He must have hung out for ten minutes, and this was in a restaurant after a show, so he had no obligation to us in any way.
Anyway, my two cents=nice guy!

Hey, I was trying to be light-hearted about the whole thing! I just miss AGD. And yeah, I was talking about the Beatles threads because (a) I can't stand the flippin' Beatles, and (B) I am not at all into the flippin Beatles!
I don't envy your position as moderator but I do appreciate that you, or somebody, must put a lot of work into keeping this board up and running (something I have absolutely no idea about how that works!)  and, most importantly I want my AGD!
(hopefully the emoticons help)

   Even the guy who he called stupid, or whatever, doesn't care about the reason AGD was banned! And there are many voices looking to UN-ban him. So what's the hold up? Some arbitrary rule? Who benefits from his ban? No one, that is correct. This board has gotten so bogged down in useless anti-mike crap and lame threads about the crapping Beatles that we need, I mean NEED Andrew back just to inject a little, well...anything back into it.
   Un-ban him, and ban anyone from banning him, if you're gonna start banning at all.

This is probably a ridiculous thing to ask, but while I realize that Landy did permanent damage to him, is it possible that some of the problems with creativity and with slurring words are actually side-effects of the modern pharmaceuticals Brian is surely prescribed? I'm not suggesting he go off of them since obviously these problems pale in comparison to the effects of his illness that the medication prevents, just wondering.

I take anti-depressants and they have no effect on my creativity.

Not trying to be mean, but how could you possibly know that? Saying that a drug has no effect on your creativity when what that drug does is alter your brain chemistry (my layman's understanding) is confusing.

Just going by that KTSA program, and the recent performances from Mike and Bruce, it seems like a pretty decent song. It's got those cool Some Of Your Love sounding chords in the chorus.

Its really NOT interesting or cool. It's a horrible hack song with zero soul. The saxes are the tiniest bit okay-ish. It sounds like a crappy 70's movie song, or like a joke song from Top Secret, but not as good.

Yup, one good record, one weird Grateful Dead-ish Single (Train Song) and then not much. But That one record is almost perfect (Hippy Boy? not so much).

Going to the Beach is so lame I can think of nothing else to add...

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By Allison Johnelle Boron

Asking any of the Beach Boys about slowing down is futile; the phrase “retirement plans” simply doesn’t seem to exist for them.

“You don’t retire what you love doing,” Al Jardine told me when we spoke in April 2012, just before the reunited Beach Boys launched into a whirlwind 50th anniversary tour. Beyond reuniting to hit the road, the  And Jardine’s long-coming solo effort “A Postcard From California,” also was released.

Brian Wilson David Marks and Al Jardine 2013 tour datesNow, with the 50th reunion tour in the history books — as well as the 2012 releases of Jardine’s long-coming solo album “A Postcard From California” and The Beach Boys’ first studio album in 23 years, “That’s Why God Made The Radio” — Jardine has moved on to his next project: llive shows with Brian Wilson and former Beach Boys guitarist David Marks. (Dates appear at left.)

Goldmine: How are you?
Al Jardine: Pretty busy (laughs).

GM: I can imagine! I was reading up on your current projects with the ONE Agit8 campaign and Sean Lennon…
AJ: Oh, Sean Lennon (laughs). Sean’s a real Beach Boy fan. Loves Brian Wilson, loves the more esoteric things. He’s a real, pure soul. He’s all musician, all spirit and he doesn’t rest on his laurels. He’s gonna be an original, if he’s not already. He’s got a lot of talent.

We wanted to pay respect to his dad on this Bono charity experience that happened in June, during the G8 summit. Bono wanted to make a statement to the G8 to get off their butts and do something and get the debtor countries off the hook and, you know, he’s a guy waiting for a cause to happen. So, we got together and said, “Let’s give peace a chance.” [The campaign] is more for poverty; poverty is really at the root of all evil.

I had originally agreed to do something with Pete Seeger, actually, which is what got me involved, but then Pete pulled out of the deal for personal reasons with regard to some other issues. So, I ended up singing “If I Had a Hammer” with his producer. I love that song. It lifted my spirits. I was high as a kite.

And then, coincidentally after that session, we bumped into Sean Lennon at a coffee shop. We started yakkin’ about all kinds of Beach Boys history and his dad — he wanted to know more about his dad because I met John before, and it was really a nice evening. So, we all decided to have a crack at this iconic song [“Give Peace a Chance”] and came up with a Beach Boys arrangement for the chorus, and that’s really what it is, just a little treatment. And maybe it’s the start of something, who knows? I’d really like to finish the song, actually.

GM: And then release it — maybe as a single or on a future album?
AJ: It would be his thing, I would think, then he could use it. Who knows? It just depends on if it’s suitable. You know, it’s timely and it’s always timely. [There’s] always something going on somewhere that a song like this can reflect upon, like in Egypt and Syria right now. There’s always something going on.

I thought we should finish the verses, myself, and have some fun with that. It’s all about having some fun delivering a serious message. You can do both. And why not? But [Sean] is a busy guy. He’s the musical director for his mom, and I’m doing this Beach Boy thing — or trying to anyway.
Beach Boys Brian Wilson, David Marks and Al Jardine are hitting the road for several live performances.

Beach Boys Brian Wilson, David Marks and Al Jardine are hitting the road for several live performances.


GM: Of course, I wanted to talk about this summer. How did the tour with Brian and David come about? I’m guessing it was sparked by the reunion last year.
AJ: Yeah, you’re probably right. Brian’s also recording a new album, so it’s an offspringing of that. Although we won’t be doing the new songs on this particular leg of the tour, it’s still due to the fact that I’m obviously participating on his album, and David as well, and we would naturally want to go out, and continue to perform and finish what we started.

We really enjoyed the reunion tour and we’re greatly disappointed that we couldn’t continue performing with Mike [Love]. That was, to me, the epitome — the best thing we could have done for ourselves, for the fans and for the music. It was a perfect reunion, only to stop abruptly. It’s hard to stop or slow down a jumbo jet once it gets going, you know? (laughs) I was going to use the train analogy but, you know, once inertia sets in, who the hell needs it? We didn’t want to go back to the way it was; I didn’t want to go back to the way it was.

It’s as good as you’re gonna get it when you see Brian and David and Al — it’s the heart and soul of the Beach Boys. [We] may not be able to call ourselves the Beach Boys, but it’s the heart and soul of the music. And I think people will really enjoy hearing some new stuff that we didn’t do on the 50th. Then later this fall, after the album’s finished, we’ll probably add a few of those songs. It feels good. it’s a natural thing to continue to do what you were born to do. So why not?

I guess it’s strange to have two groups of touring Beach Boys on the road. It’s silly. But, we’re not calling ourselves “The Beach Boys,” so it’s a clear distinction between the two bands. One’s implied and one isn’t. One’s overtly — it is, and the other is doing just the opposite, I guess. We’re just doing what we do. And then of course everyone knows who we are. At least I hope everyone knows who we are!

We would love to have Mike and Bruce [Johnston] with us. It’s the most natural thing we could do. It’s the way it should be. I hope they change their minds.

GM: It doesn’t sound like there’s bad blood there.
AJ: No, there’s no bad blood. Those are some really nice people. It’s just unfortunate that we’re making people choose between one [group] or the other, in this economy especially. You can only go to so many concerts every year and there’s other music out there people want to listen to, so you have to make choices. Not just Beach Boy choices, but there are a lot of people touring, a lot of reunions happening. What happened to the Stones, are they finished?

GM: I think they’re overseas now. I know they just played Glastonbury.
AJ: How are they doing?

GM: I heard they’re doing around 20 songs in their set.
AJ: Twenty?! No way! That’s just gouging. Crazy. We did something like 60 songs, average of 50 a show [on the Beach Boys’ reunion tour]. That’s not right. I can’t believe it. They’re probably getting worn out or something. You know, just physically, it’s just so demanding. That show, when you think about it, there’s only one singer (laughs) — [Mick Jagger] jumps around like a 20-year-old kid.

On our tour, we get to trade leads around and enjoy watching the other guys sing, and we have so much more depth. We can pull out all the stops. We could do a three-hour show easily.

GM: You guys have an excellent backing band, too.
AJ: I know. We’re really lucky. We’ve got a heck of a lineup. And with Jeff Beck coming along, he’ll open the show with a little bit of a rock ‘n’ roll thing, and then he’ll probably join us on an encore. It’ll be great. It’ll be fantastic. Everything’s good. Full-steam ahead.

GM: Have you started rehearsing?
AJ: No, we start on the 16th of July. Our first show will be the 20th in Atlantic City, and then we’ll move onto the Midwest for a brief time and put our toe in the water and see what happens.

GM: And you’re thinking about more tour dates after the summer?
AJ: We have a whole schedule planned for the autumn, although we haven’t gotten it set yet so I can’t say when or where, but we do have one in Los Angeles at the Greek Theatre. There will be an official announcement.

GM:  What can we expect from the set list?
AJ: A few new things. I’m going to try out “Don’t Fight the Sea” from my own album ["A Postcard From California."] I like that one. We’ll do a big production onstage, and then I have a video that goes with it, but it’s pretty graphic — the fisheries taking a little too much for granted and the butchering of the seals up in the Alaskan areas. It’s probably not the right thing to show an audience. (laughs) I might be able to tone it down a little, but I don’t know, maybe it’s a good idea because we’re supposed to be protecting the oceans. We’ll see if this is the right venue for that. We’ll find out when we get to rehearsals.

Maybe we’ll do a folk song, but I don’t want to bore the audience. On “Surf’s Up,” there’s a tune called “Lookin’ At Tomorrow (A Welfare Song),” and it actually sounds pretty good, but I think it’s better suited for a club in the Village. Brian will do a couple of things from his solo projects. A beautiful, haunting tune, “Summer’s Gone,” will be the closer. We’ll do “That’s Why God Made the Radio,” and then of course the big hits. I think they still wanna do “Cottonfields,” although I don’t know why. It was never a big hit here. But why not? I think we’ll do “California Saga: California” again. And David Marks will be be singing the Dennis Wilson song called “Little Bird” — it’s a cute song, really charming.

So, there will be some new things that you haven’t heard on the 50th. And, of course, Brian will take some of the leads on the car songs. We won’t be doing too many of those, but I might take one myself. We’ll know better when we get there. I’m really looking forward to it. I love working with Brian; it’s nice to work with the architect. That’s how I see it. The music is the motherlode (laughs). It doesn’t get much better than that.

I think Brian — actually, all the Beach Boys — are on “Don’t Fight the Sea.” It should sound pretty darn good.

GM: I’m excited to hear it.
AJ: Brian sings my favorite part on there. I really enjoy working with him. That’s why we don’t stop. When you’re digging up the relics and you realize how great they are, these wonderful songs, it would be a crime not to do them.

GM: And I think a lot of people are expecting those deeper cuts from you guys in particular.
AJ: You’re right, and it deserves that. I’d like to do the whole Love You album. Man, those are some of the best songs we ever did. Oh, I hope we do “Honkin’ Down the Highway.”

GM: Please do “Honkin’ Down the Highway”!
AJ: That would be great. I’ll mention that. I think we should. I don’t know why I didn’t think of that before. I’m glad we talked.

GM: I’m gonna take the credit for this, if you do that song.
AJ: (Laughs.) OK, I’ll give you the credit.
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Hit em with Cabinessence, All I wanna Do, and I Just Wasn't Made (this is for the 40 and under crowd) and you can't lose!

I don't agree with the soldier, he took an oath to serve the USA in a volunteer army. Sounds like he is disgruntled with his low rank and job.

Yeah, what a terrible guy for realizing he doesn't want to be a hired killer and having the guts to say so. Like, remember when you took that one job and realized it sucked so you quit? Bad Apple.

pretty sure it's 'what have you done to...'. One of my favorite parts of Smile. I'm surprised Jeff hasn't snuck that part in since he seems to like those semi-obscure bits.

I am indeed 'from this country', I just find this 'country', and frankly all countries, to be ass backwards when it comes to government being the arbiter of anything. How can an organization that is defined by being a monopoly on that which it prevents all individuals from doing (force being its primary tool) ever be anything but a joke?
Gotta go to work but look forward to more later!

Jeez, you folks on the left sure are bloodthirsty! On the other hand, calling the 'justice system' anything other than a horrible joke is itself a horrible joke. Any system where the police, the lawyers and the judges work for the same side (the state) is obviously absurd. A system where putting someone either to death or in a cage is somehow justice for anyone, including the victim and family, makes no sense.
Of course Zimmerman should be made to pay for killing another individual, but how about actually recompensing the injured parties?
Since no one can bring the dead back to life, Zimmerman should instead pay the family a sum of money equal to the potential earning of the deceased over what would have been his natural lifetime plus whatever other amount a third party arbitrator finds acceptable. At least then the family would have something for their loss and Zimmerman would pay a real price, besides the obvious ostracism that come with being a known killer.

There's also an alternate version floating around on You Tube that is pretty good too.

That's just a live version from the first Box Set Tour.

sounds great, but more like some random curt becher (or however the hell he spelled it!) band than anything on SMiLE. It's like Olivia Tremor Control fifteen years ago!

Man, I hope his book is ten thousand pages long! The Mike Love Perspective is amazing!

M*A*S*H* rules them all. The first three, or even six, seasons are excellent. And on the dvd you can turn off the laugh track and it becomes a much better show. I'm gonna go watch some season two right now!

I just want to point out that BW does NOT sing the falsetto on Surf City but DOES sing a unison lead with Jan. Same with Ride the Wild Surf.

I'm super excited about this box set!
This message board on the other hand...
Why does anybody care if someone likes or dislikes what is on the box set? How can that possibly affect your life? Why does someone's opinion get them shouted down by relative newbie board members who take it upon themselves to be the arbiters of sensible posting?
Also, why do I care?