He appeared in Dr Who too. One of those actors who was continuously on-screen and instantly recognisable.

Christ, you guys need to get laid.

Are you offering?

[Perhaps those who were involved could shed more light on what they were doing and why if you'd ask them. Try Facebook since one of them just got banned.

Someone else got banned? Or are you referring to Mike's Beard/China Pig (?)?

I think, btw, that fuel was thrown on the objectivity fire when someone (forget who) pointed out that you also moderate on Brian Wilson's board. When some here were accusing AGD of being on Mike's payroll (blatant nonsense … would Mike let go of money so easily?!?!), this revelation looked unfortunate in light of the fact that the board's two prime trolls, LOSD and his young familiar Snail Brian, appeared able to attack Mike with impunity.*

For the same of clarity, then - purely honesty and clarity, note -  can I ask whether you receive any form of remuneration for your work on that board? CDs? Free concert tickets? Upgrades (m&g, soundcheck) to concert tickets? Etc etc - or is it purely voluntary with no reward?


* I have noted, at long last, an apparent reduction in their misbehaviour. If this is due to a restraining order, then you, GF, and Billy are due a note of grateful thanks!

Another great post John, yes worth clarification, and it doesn't have to be a condemnation of GF in any way.

I am not on any payrolls.

So no favours? Gifts? Incentives?  It's done purely for the love of it? Just to be absolutely sure…

John, I have received nothing. I was given mod access October 26th 2015.

Many thanks Craig, appreciate the honesty and the transparency that offers. I also tip my hat to you - moderating on two boards cannot be good for the blood pressure!

What is this 'concert buddy' stuff?

Legit question... I really don't know what you mean by that or are implying

GF and L-SOD apparently had drinkies before or after some Brian gig a while back. If I recall, it was virtually set up in the open, on-board. Not that it would have affected any moderating decisions, we all get together before gigs afterall. Someone else will have to dig out the relevant threads though cos I've been communing with Talisker th'night! thanks in advance…

Don't f*** with the formula

-Also on the woman tip, I will leave Debbie to fight her fights, but I don't appreciate some of the ways people have referred to what she's said. Using references to 'claws' and implying that it must be some personal squabble seems condescending and sexist. Maybe just an unfortunate choice of terms, but some terms are loaded. Eta- Let me be clear here - this is my opinion I'm expressing. If you disagree, I'm not asking for censorship.
-Lastly, without pms, I wouldn't have been able to expand my relationships on the board to off-board. Again, I'm not comfortable plunking too much identifying information onto an open board. For that reason, I'm personally happy for the pm function.

BBB is a sad little joke.  Some of the multiple-identity posters there (and there are so few posters on that board that they're easy to spot) are so obviously people banned from here.  I won't name who Nicko (whatever set of numbers he chooses) really is, but he's all over the place there, I'm thinking with other id's as well - unless there are others as stupid as him, which is possible.  I know who the pathetic little whiner is, but I'll leave it at that. 

And the woman who runs the place, well...She's still running her sad little story that Brian is "frail" and "shouldn't be forced to tour," only now through others (or possibly she has more than one id there - it wouldn't be hard as the sole moderator). She's been chanting that mantra for 12 years now.  I guess Brian's not that frail, nor forced - d'ya think?  If she outlives him, she may get to say, "See! See! - many years later and not so believably.  I'm wondering what her posting history might be as well.  What name(s) might she have used here and on BW? I only managed to spot one on BW, but I haven't been on these boards that long.

Sorry if my "claws" comment was unPC; it was an instinctive reaction to the shameful section of Debbie's post as quoted here, an unwarranted attack on Val, who rarely ever posts here.

I'll withdraw my "claws" comment.

I'm not critiquing your reaction; just part of the wording. Sorry if that's annoying of me - but that's my instinctive reaction. :-)

No worries at all Emily you're right to pull me up, intentionally of otherwise. You're one of the good guys … (darn, did I just mess up again??)

[Perhaps those who were involved could shed more light on what they were doing and why if you'd ask them. Try Facebook since one of them just got banned.

Someone else got banned? Or are you referring to Mike's Beard/China Pig (?)?

I think, btw, that fuel was thrown on the objectivity fire when someone (forget who) pointed out that you also moderate on Brian Wilson's board. When some here were accusing AGD of being on Mike's payroll (blatant nonsense … would Mike let go of money so easily?!?!), this revelation looked unfortunate in light of the fact that the board's two prime trolls, LOSD and his young familiar Snail Brian, appeared able to attack Mike with impunity.*

For the same of clarity, then - purely honesty and clarity, note -  can I ask whether you receive any form of remuneration for your work on that board? CDs? Free concert tickets? Upgrades (m&g, soundcheck) to concert tickets? Etc etc - or is it purely voluntary with no reward?


* I have noted, at long last, an apparent reduction in their misbehaviour. If this is due to a restraining order, then you, GF, and Billy are due a note of grateful thanks!

Why, we're so damn fortunate that we have people here like you to faithfully monitor, with incessant determination, our *behavior*. You can't even spell the word let alone determine just what is or isn't misbehavior is on this board. Quit trying to be an effig cop will you? You're not a moderator. You don't make the rules and as far as I'm concerned, YOU'RE a troll, ok? Maybe it's time for you to hide behind you're favorite rock-The Hickey Script. You'll be all safe and warm there, Johnny Boy.

I think you'll find we were spelling "behaviour" that way for a few centuries before the word crossed the Atlantic for it and other elements of the language to be misshapen and transformed.

As for the Hickey Script, I don't use it. But its creation made me realise that I simply don't have to read any of your highly valued contributions to proceedings here, and my life improved there and then.

Hey, is that nurse calling? I think it might be time for your next suppository…

Ps: what's an "effig cop", Mr Spelling Queen?

Hickey script improved your life, you say? Must have been a rather drab existence for you to carry on everyday but considerably *normal* for a British snob.

La la la, la la la, la la la…

Sorry for the multiple posts. That's it for today though - I'm off to work. Hi ho…!

-Also on the woman tip, I will leave Debbie to fight her fights, but I don't appreciate some of the ways people have referred to what she's said. Using references to 'claws' and implying that it must be some personal squabble seems condescending and sexist. Maybe just an unfortunate choice of terms, but some terms are loaded. Eta- Let me be clear here - this is my opinion I'm expressing. If you disagree, I'm not asking for censorship.
-Lastly, without pms, I wouldn't have been able to expand my relationships on the board to off-board. Again, I'm not comfortable plunking too much identifying information onto an open board. For that reason, I'm personally happy for the pm function.

BBB is a sad little joke.  Some of the multiple-identity posters there (and there are so few posters on that board that they're easy to spot) are so obviously people banned from here.  I won't name who Nicko (whatever set of numbers he chooses) really is, but he's all over the place there, I'm thinking with other id's as well - unless there are others as stupid as him, which is possible.  I know who the pathetic little whiner is, but I'll leave it at that. 

And the woman who runs the place, well...She's still running her sad little story that Brian is "frail" and "shouldn't be forced to tour," only now through others (or possibly she has more than one id there - it wouldn't be hard as the sole moderator). She's been chanting that mantra for 12 years now.  I guess Brian's not that frail, nor forced - d'ya think?  If she outlives him, she may get to say, "See! See! - many years later and not so believably.  I'm wondering what her posting history might be as well.  What name(s) might she have used here and on BW? I only managed to spot one on BW, but I haven't been on these boards that long.

Sorry if my "claws" comment was unPC; it was an instinctive reaction to the shameful section of Debbie's post as quoted here, an unwarranted attack on Val, who rarely ever posts here.

I'll withdraw my "claws" comment.

This just isn't about what happened with the recent bannings. What I want to see is you treat the other threads in here the same way you treat the Brian threads. It irritates me that you defend Brian right down to auto tune on NPP, but never interject when members threadcrap on any Mike Love or Beach Boys threads. Again, I am looking for consistency from you and Billy too (just so you think I picking only on you). You chose to become a mod, so whenever you're in here, you are setting the example.

This. Consistency and impartiality seem to be the bedrock of fair play.

[Perhaps those who were involved could shed more light on what they were doing and why if you'd ask them. Try Facebook since one of them just got banned.

Someone else got banned? Or are you referring to Mike's Beard/China Pig (?)?

I think, btw, that fuel was thrown on the objectivity fire when someone (forget who) pointed out that you also moderate on Brian Wilson's board. When some here were accusing AGD of being on Mike's payroll (blatant nonsense … would Mike let go of money so easily?!?!), this revelation looked unfortunate in light of the fact that the board's two prime trolls, LOSD and his young familiar Snail Brian, appeared able to attack Mike with impunity.*

For the same of clarity, then - purely honesty and clarity, note -  can I ask whether you receive any form of remuneration for your work on that board? CDs? Free concert tickets? Upgrades (m&g, soundcheck) to concert tickets? Etc etc - or is it purely voluntary with no reward?


* I have noted, at long last, an apparent reduction in their misbehaviour. If this is due to a restraining order, then you, GF, and Billy are due a note of grateful thanks!

Another great post John, yes worth clarification, and it doesn't have to be a condemnation of GF in any way.

I am not on any payrolls.

So no favours? Gifts? Incentives?  It's done purely for the love of it? Just to be absolutely sure…

Grey and bald are fine;

Comb-overs, toupees, and badly dyed hair are out.

Donald Trump's stylist should either be sacked (for bad taste) or given a comedy award (for great taste!).

[Perhaps those who were involved could shed more light on what they were doing and why if you'd ask them. Try Facebook since one of them just got banned.

Someone else got banned? Or are you referring to Mike's Beard/China Pig (?)?

I think, btw, that fuel was thrown on the objectivity fire when someone (forget who) pointed out that you also moderate on Brian Wilson's board. When some here were accusing AGD of being on Mike's payroll (blatant nonsense … would Mike let go of money so easily?!?!), this revelation looked unfortunate in light of the fact that the board's two prime trolls, LOSD and his young familiar Snail Brian, appeared able to attack Mike with impunity.*

For the same of clarity, then - purely honesty and clarity, note -  can I ask whether you receive any form of remuneration for your work on that board? CDs? Free concert tickets? Upgrades (m&g, soundcheck) to concert tickets? Etc etc - or is it purely voluntary with no reward?


* I have noted, at long last, an apparent reduction in their misbehaviour. If this is due to a restraining order, then you, GF, and Billy are due a note of grateful thanks!

Why, we're so damn fortunate that we have people here like you :lol to faithfully monitor, with incessant determination, our *behavior*. You can't even spell the word let alone determine just what is or isn't misbehavior is on this board. Quit trying to be an effig cop :police: will you? You're not a moderator. You don't make the rules and as far as I'm concerned, YOU'RE a troll, ok? Maybe it's time for you to hide behind you're favorite rock-The Hickey Script. You'll be all safe and warm there, Johnny Boy.

:lol I think you'll find we were spelling "behaviour" that way for a few centuries before the word crossed the Atlantic for it and other elements of the language to be misshapen and transformed.

As for the Hickey Script, I don't use it. But its creation made me realise that I simply don't have to read any of your highly valued contributions to proceedings here, and my life improved there and then.

Hey, is that nurse calling? I think it might be time for your next suppository…

Ps: what's an "effig cop", Mr Spelling Queen?

CC'ing in PMs seems to be intermittent for me...sometimes I can get it to work, sometimes I can't.

I think you might have to use the original name with which a poster registered (back in '05!). Subsequent pseudonyms don't work; only the original name.

GF, you seem like a nice guy overall, so I dont want this to sound like bullying, personal attacks or ganging up on you. But I think you do tend to take things too personally and fan the flames rather than put them out when a mod ought to do the latter. If you were more willing to take criticisms, listen, not come down hard against those you disagree with and stay out of the petty feuds I think you and other posters would be much happier. And no offense, but the way you just responded to Dr Beach Boy just now kinda proves that point. I know my opinion around here means jack squat but...I digress.

THIS.



That is pretty much exactly how I've been feeling!

I have no axe to grind with anyone. I don't associate with any other members. I like all Beach Boys equally for their outstanding contributions. I sort of understand why people try to defend Mike over Brian or vice versa but find it a pointless endeavour.

I completely agree with the above statement though, again through unbiased observations. And I do think that if Guitar Fool is a mod over on Brian's board, than it just adds fuel to the fire, whether or not it has any bearing on his duties here.

Maybe GF could take a sabbatical. Bring in someone new for a period of time. Chances are nothing will improve and then he can say, "hey I ain't the problem" lol

I won't be taking a leave or dropping out. No reason to. What happened so far in this thread was you saw one poster saying he wasn't Mike's Beard, then coming back and signing off as Mike's Beard after throwing a few personal insults.

He was one of the loudest voices and a presence on both Hoffman's board and Beach Boys Britain when the topic was me and my issues with moderating this board. Blame me, point the finger at me, it's my fault...up to his alias account saying "insiders" were staying away because I was a bad moderator.

Add it up - Is there any trust in the word of someone who can't even be honest with this community in general? Lies on top of lies, and it played out here for everyone to see.

So when you browse and read Hoffman's board or BBB and see comments from him, consider the source.

To further add up something else, in the past 6 months I've posted to roughly 20 out of 500 topics and discussions on the main board. That's around 5%.

If I'm the issue and the reason why the board went to hell, the numbers don't add up to that claim. If the board is apparently going to hell, look at the other 95% of posts and the posters like Mike's Beard who can't be honest about the most basic of all facts, his own identity.

Then tell me I'm the cause of all the problems. Me and my 5% of the topics I engaged in since November.

Then look at who was involved in the great plan (which continues to fail) to have me removed or voted out as a mod.

I'm quite aware of the "great plan" as I was approached elsewhere about what a problem mod you were (read:  Brian defender, instead of being a mod calling Brian's fans "jihadists" as did one of your predecessors).  Yet people love to mock anyone exposing slimy, behind-the-scenes efforts as "conspiracy theorists."  I guess it's easier than accepting the reality. 

Now, re:  those other boards:  Hoffman is so massive I don't think anyone screens the liars, multiple IP address posters, racists and misogynists there on a frequent basis, so those banned from here, and often from BW but not always, flourish there.  Hopefully, this time no one posting both here and there will take this as my personal attack on them - well, unless they fall into those categories.

BBB is a sad little joke.  Some of the multiple-identity posters there (and there are so few posters on that board that they're easy to spot) are so obviously people banned from here.  I won't name who Nicko (whatever set of numbers he chooses) really is, but he's all over the place there, I'm thinking with other id's as well - unless there are others as stupid as him, which is possible.  I know who the pathetic little whiner is, but I'll leave it at that. 

And the woman who runs the place, well...She's still running her sad little story that Brian is "frail" and "shouldn't be forced to tour," only now through others (or possibly she has more than one id there - it wouldn't be hard as the sole moderator). She's been chanting that mantra for 12 years now.  I guess Brian's not that frail, nor forced - d'ya think?  If she outlives him, she may get to say, "See! See! - many years later and not so believably.  I'm wondering what her posting history might be as well.  What name(s) might she have used here and on BW? I only managed to spot one on BW, but I haven't been on these boards that long.

GF - Sadly, people who care about the truth and insist on it, even when it's not polite or comfortable, are crucified on a regular basis.  But I guess you're already aware of that.     

Wow. The claws are out.

This is a really unfortunate point of view. Seems that when folks complain about this board at BBB, it's out of order and cowardly, but when folks complain about BBB here, it's okay?

The lady you're referring to is a gem. Years ago she realised that the UK fan base was disparate, consisting of pockets of fans or even individuals scattered a ross the country. Stomp was largely unattended and silent. She worked hard to establish BBB as the place for UK fans to gravitate, and brought together the UK can community with events, pre-show meet-ups, a newsletter etc etc etc.

It all came together when Brian started to undertake more and more tours, and that sense of community contributed significantly to the incredible vibe at the RFH for the Pet Sounds gigs and the Smile gigs in 2002 and 2004.

She's had so much love for Brian and his music for years, and her infectious enthusiasm for it all has spread to many many other fans. Please don't belittle that, or attempt to undermine it.

If you do have some personal issue, at least take it to her board and do it to her face.

I'm really disappointed that this inter-board rivalry is allowed to go unchecked but hope it'll be nipped in the bud.

Good post. I think BBB is pretty balanced, albeit limited in traffic. Reading it for 16 years, and I sure don't see an anti-Brian agenda from Val. Recently people who I assume attended Brian shows have put in their thoughts, which again, seem non derogatory. Some people felt he was looking or sounding tired. Some say he sounded great.

I might not have been clear… I was more concerned about Debbie's gutless attack on Val that any anti-Brian attack from BBB (which would, anyway, be a nonsense).

I've been trying really hard to think of a more effective way to say this. But I can't.
I think a few separate issues are being convoluted. I think GF has been unfairly targeted by some posters. But I think there's a separate issue, a more complex and subtle one, about how a moderator interacts with posters. It's one that I'm having trouble sorting out my own thoughts on, because of course a moderator should be free to post his/her opinions, just like other posters, but there's also the point that a moderator needs to maintain an appearance of objectivity, so if a moderator has very strong views on a controversial subject, how is that to be balanced? It's a difficult question, but pertinent.
I also think that these two separate questions have tangled themselves. Probably GF is stinging from the incorrect and unfair accusations. So perhaps it's best to drop the topic until the dust has settled over those?
I don't know. I'm concerned that this is now a circle, in which GF's responses are validating the concerns which are validating GF's responses based on an outside variable.

* This originally posted with incomplete text because I did something screwy. Sorry.

 

The issue shifted more to objectivity only more recently after the lies about banning people and other supposed bad behavior from me as a mod failed in light of the truth being told. If the 5% of the threads I've posted in since November are causing these issues and I'm to blame, I'd be curious to see the opinions on the other 95% of discussions that I didn't get involved in, and all the posters who didn't even engage in the 5% with me.

Unfairly targeted only scratches the surface. Perhaps those who were involved could shed more light on what they were doing and why if you'd ask them. Try Facebook since one of them just got banned.

And try reversing a series of lies that have been repeated so often they became the truth.

These are good points. It may well be that there was no issue before the lies about banning people. And I'm certainly aware of the problem that people eventually believe ridiculous assertions if they're repeated enough; but for people who aren't involved and not paying close attention to what's going on, it's uncomfortable to come across a mod expressing so much hostility to posters. I understand that the hostility might be earned, but not everyone understands that. I didn't understand it, say, yesterday. And it's never going to be that everyone understands it, because most people aren't really here to learn about the board politics. So the appearance to someone not involved in board politics is very negative.
I've also felt that sometimes when you address me, it's a little hostile. It might not be, but it comes close on the heels of a hostile post to someone else. If in your head, the tone is different, I can't hear that. I'm just saying that it can be intimidating and off-putting to by-standers, even if you're right because they don't know the story.

On the other hand, perhaps I'm going on about a solved problem. I expect that since it's now contained in this thread, it won't be a concern to casual readers.

I think this is very sensitively put and eloquently stated. I wish i could match that!

The overly defensive-cum-aggressive tone adopted can come across as a red warning light to those not in on whatever's going on behind the scenes. I'm torn on this: while on the one hand I believe in clarity and transparency, on the other hand I believe mods should be able to get on with their role without interference. When a mod's effectively posting along the lines of "It wasn't me, it wasn't me! I've got evidence that you can't see!", however… well, it's gonna get my hackles up.

I hope this is taken in the spirit of honesty in which it is offered.

GF, you seem like a nice guy overall, so I dont want this to sound like bullying, personal attacks or ganging up on you. But I think you do tend to take things too personally and fan the flames rather than put them out when a mod ought to do the latter. If you were more willing to take criticisms, listen, not come down hard against those you disagree with and stay out of the petty feuds I think you and other posters would be much happier. And no offense, but the way you just responded to Dr Beach Boy just now kinda proves that point. I know my opinion around here means jack squat but...I digress.

THIS.



That is pretty much exactly how I've been feeling!

I have no axe to grind with anyone. I don't associate with any other members. I like all Beach Boys equally for their outstanding contributions. I sort of understand why people try to defend Mike over Brian or vice versa but find it a pointless endeavour.

I completely agree with the above statement though, again through unbiased observations. And I do think that if Guitar Fool is a mod over on Brian's board, than it just adds fuel to the fire, whether or not it has any bearing on his duties here.

Maybe GF could take a sabbatical. Bring in someone new for a period of time. Chances are nothing will improve and then he can say, "hey I ain't the problem" lol

I won't be taking a leave or dropping out. No reason to. What happened so far in this thread was you saw one poster saying he wasn't Mike's Beard, then coming back and signing off as Mike's Beard after throwing a few personal insults.

He was one of the loudest voices and a presence on both Hoffman's board and Beach Boys Britain when the topic was me and my issues with moderating this board. Blame me, point the finger at me, it's my fault...up to his alias account saying "insiders" were staying away because I was a bad moderator.

Add it up - Is there any trust in the word of someone who can't even be honest with this community in general? Lies on top of lies, and it played out here for everyone to see.

So when you browse and read Hoffman's board or BBB and see comments from him, consider the source.

To further add up something else, in the past 6 months I've posted to roughly 20 out of 500 topics and discussions on the main board. That's around 5%.

If I'm the issue and the reason why the board went to hell, the numbers don't add up to that claim. If the board is apparently going to hell, look at the other 95% of posts and the posters like Mike's Beard who can't be honest about the most basic of all facts, his own identity.

Then tell me I'm the cause of all the problems. Me and my 5% of the topics I engaged in since November.

Then look at who was involved in the great plan (which continues to fail) to have me removed or voted out as a mod.

I'm quite aware of the "great plan" as I was approached elsewhere about what a problem mod you were (read:  Brian defender, instead of being a mod calling Brian's fans "jihadists" as did one of your predecessors).  Yet people love to mock anyone exposing slimy, behind-the-scenes efforts as "conspiracy theorists."  I guess it's easier than accepting the reality.  

Now, re:  those other boards:  Hoffman is so massive I don't think anyone screens the liars, multiple IP address posters, racists and misogynists there on a frequent basis, so those banned from here, and often from BW but not always, flourish there.  Hopefully, this time no one posting both here and there will take this as my personal attack on them - well, unless they fall into those categories.

BBB is a sad little joke.  Some of the multiple-identity posters there (and there are so few posters on that board that they're easy to spot) are so obviously people banned from here.  I won't name who Nicko (whatever set of numbers he chooses) really is, but he's all over the place there, I'm thinking with other id's as well - unless there are others as stupid as him, which is possible.  I know who the pathetic little whiner is, but I'll leave it at that.  

And the woman who runs the place, well...She's still running her sad little story that Brian is "frail" and "shouldn't be forced to tour," only now through others (or possibly she has more than one id there - it wouldn't be hard as the sole moderator). She's been chanting that mantra for 12 years now.  I guess Brian's not that frail, nor forced - d'ya think?  If she outlives him, she may get to say, "See! See! - many years later and not so believably.  I'm wondering what her posting history might be as well.  What name(s) might she have used here and on BW? I only managed to spot one on BW, but I haven't been on these boards that long.

GF - Sadly, people who care about the truth and insist on it, even when it's not polite or comfortable, are crucified on a regular basis.  But I guess you're already aware of that.    

Wow. The claws are out.

This is a really unfortunate point of view. Seems that when folks complain about this board at BBB, it's out of order and cowardly, but when folks complain about BBB here, it's okay?

The lady you're referring to is a gem. Years ago she realised that the UK fan base was disparate, consisting of pockets of fans or even individuals scattered across the country. Stomp was largely unattended and silent. She worked hard to establish BBB as the place for UK fans to gravitate, and brought together the UK fan community with events, pre-show meet-ups, a newsletter etc etc etc.

It all came together when Brian started to undertake more and more tours, and that sense of community contributed significantly to the incredible vibe at the RFH for the Pet Sounds gigs and the Smile gigs in 2002 and 2004.

She's had so much love for Brian and his music for years, and her infectious enthusiasm for it all has spread to many many other fans. Please don't belittle that, or attempt to undermine it.

If you do have some personal issue, at least take it to her board and do it to her face.

I'm really disappointed that this inter-board rivalry is allowed to go unchecked but hope it'll be nipped in the bud.

[Perhaps those who were involved could shed more light on what they were doing and why if you'd ask them. Try Facebook since one of them just got banned.

Someone else got banned? Or are you referring to Mike's Beard/China Pig (?)?

I think, btw, that fuel was thrown on the objectivity fire when someone (forget who) pointed out that you also moderate on Brian Wilson's board. When some here were accusing AGD of being on Mike's payroll (blatant nonsense … would Mike let go of money so easily?!?!), this revelation looked unfortunate in light of the fact that the board's two prime trolls, LOSD and his young familiar Snail Brian, appeared able to attack Mike with impunity.*

For the same of clarity, then - purely honesty and clarity, note -  can I ask whether you receive any form of remuneration for your work on that board? CDs? Free concert tickets? Upgrades (m&g, soundcheck) to concert tickets? Etc etc - or is it purely voluntary with no reward?


* I have noted, at long last, an apparent reduction in their misbehaviour. If this is due to a restraining order, then you, GF, and Billy are due a note of grateful thanks!

I need to add something...posting under my own name is not an option, being that half the time I'm posting here from work.

Billy, I understand. If I posted from work I'd be in sh*t. For that reason, I don't risk posting from work, at all - don't want to risk losing my job. Also one of the reasons why I declined Craig's invite to be a mod (great honour though that was) way back before things got properly heated.

Thank you for posting this. That is one of the reasons why some members simply cannot post under a real name, and who choose not to. I'm glad to get some common sense logic into the dialogue about this issue and hopefully end it using common sense, because some have tried to make it an issue to harp on in the past.

I still do think it's an issue Craig. The posting at work thing might be a reason, but I honestly think that, if posting at work puts your job a risk, and therefore your family's welfare, then simply wait until you get home and post from there. In my case, as bread winner for my partner, two kids and a CD addiction, I wouldn't dare risk it. Nevertheless I respect everyone's right to weigh up the risks, consider the consequences and come to a different conclusion.

Still no news? I'm starving!

So it's a race issue now?

I need to add something...posting under my own name is not an option, being that half the time I'm posting here from work.

Billy, I understand. If I posted from work I'd be in sh*t. For that reason, I don't risk posting from work, at all - don't want to risk losing my job. Also one of the reasons why I declined Craig's invite to be a mod (great honour though that was) way back before things got properly heated.

Kinda interesting the usual suspects switched from hammering Billy to Craig.....

It's probably because there's a cross-board multi-platform conspiracy of conspirators to conspire.

Can't be any worse than this review from The Telegraph.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/music/what-to-listen-to/brian-wilsons-anniversary-tour-the-saddest-gig-ever---review/

I recognise so much of this. And yet at the two C50 gigs I saw, BW was so relaxed and in command, and enjoying himself. I'll decide for myself, Friday.

GF, you seem like a nice guy overall, so I dont want this to sound like bullying, personal attacks or ganging up on you. But I think you do tend to take things too personally and fan the flames rather than put them out when a mod ought to do the latter. If you were more willing to take criticisms, listen, not come down hard against those you disagree with and stay out of the petty feuds I think you and other posters would be much happier. And no offense, but the way you just responded to Dr Beach Boy just now kinda proves that point. I know my opinion around here means jack squat but...I digress.

THIS.



That is pretty much exactly how I've been feeling!

I have no axe to grind with anyone. I don't associate with any other members. I like all Beach Boys equally for their outstanding contributions. I sort of understand why people try to defend Mike over Brian or vice versa but find it a pointless endeavour.

I completely agree with the above statement though, again through unbiased observations. And I do think that if Guitar Fool is a mod over on Brian's board, than it just adds fuel to the fire, whether or not it has any bearing on his duties here.

Maybe GF could take a sabbatical. Bring in someone new for a period of time. Chances are nothing will improve and then he can say, "hey I ain't the problem" lol

I won't be taking a leave or dropping out. No reason to. What happened so far in this thread was you saw one poster saying he wasn't Mike's Beard, then coming back and signing off as Mike's Beard after throwing a few personal insults.

He was one of the loudest voices and a presence on both Hoffman's board and Beach Boys Britain when the topic was me and my issues with moderating this board. Blame me, point the finger at me, it's my fault...up to his alias account saying "insiders" were staying away because I was a bad moderator.

Add it up - Is there any trust in the word of someone who can't even be honest with this community in general? Lies on top of lies, and it played out here for everyone to see.

So when you browse and read Hoffman's board or BBB and see comments from him, consider the source.

To further add up something else, in the past 6 months I've posted to roughly 20 out of 500 topics and discussions on the main board. That's around 5%.

If I'm the issue and the reason why the board went to hell, the numbers don't add up to that claim. If the board is apparently going to hell, look at the other 95% of posts and the posters like Mike's Beard who can't be honest about the most basic of all facts, his own identity.

Then tell me I'm the cause of all the problems. Me and my 5% of the topics I engaged in since November.

Then look at who was involved in the great plan (which continues to fail) to have me removed or voted out as a mod.

With respect, Mike's Beard doesn't post on BBB to the best of my knowledge.

As for being honest about identities, it has been suggested in previous threads that people maybe ought to be obliged to post under their own real names, then they might be less inclined to post reams of tripe while hiding behind some pseudonym.