Wow, MTR. Great list. Some smart suggestions we didn't include.

Thank you!

Very nice listen!

Here is mine:

1. California Girls (musically similar to Wouldn't It Be Nice with a magical intro)
2. Yours So Go To Me (Similar phrase to You Still Believe in Me and the organ bass has a similar tune to the plucked piano strings)
3. When I Grow Up (Another great song with mostly Beach Boys on instruments like That's Not Me)
4. In the Back of My Mind (Powerful orchestrations and no vocal harmonies)
5. Let Him Run Wild (similar up beat ballad to I'm Waiting for the Day and a similar lyrical meaning)
6. Summer Means New Love (another beautiful instramental like Let's Go Away for Awhile)
7. Back Home (folk song like Sloop John B. I thought about Swanee River, but doesn't stack up production wise)

8. The Warmth of the Sun (similar power and beauty as God Only Knows)
9. The Little Girl I Once Knew (I couldn't really find a match for IKTAA, but I really wanted this song on the album)
10. Wendy (has a music strangeness and lyric similar to Here Today)
11. In My Room (The closest thing to an in perspective Brian like IWMFTT)
12. Stoked (Pet Sounds is kind of a surf instrumental, and Stoked is my favorite original by the BB)
13. Please Let Me Wonder (This could have also been Guess I'm Dumb for Caroline No)

Being a "MARXist" myself , I would say that Bruce's wonderful  Marx Bros-tribute "Brand New Old Friends" could easily be re-texted as a Wilson Bros-ditto(?) and should be re-recorded as such by the surviving Beach Boys altogether as one final project(?)

Haha! I also note a Brian Wilson 1974 interview on an Australian radio interview. There is a moment that Brian was staring at a photo, and the host told him that it was Groucho. Brian said, 'hi Groucho!'. This always makes me smile. 

Does anyone else hear similarities between this song and the beginning of Pacific Coast Highway?

Good call!

What's up with that? What's up with that?....
We outta time! Sorry Lindsay!

David Marks is like Zeppo, having quit after the first five. And Murray is Margaret Dumont. Haha! I don't know.

These are really the only 2 performing groups I have nerded out about. I was thinking about the personalities of the Marx Brothers. Chico is a mixture of charm and addictive behavior. I thought he was the Dennis of the group. Groucho, a great performer, and wittiest, but also the most pessimistic and depressed in real life, would be like Groucho. Though I can see Mike Love in there as well. How he always performs confidently on stage, but a bit shy and aloof off stage. Also paranoid about the business aspect of things. Or Mike could be Harpo. The happiest persona in the group. I can't really compare Carl to anyone.  I quiet leader type.

https://youtu.be/E0sFwn7Lfgg

Major Organ and the Adding Machine

Was Live Let Live released as a single?

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLOgvAAkLH5RzFj39aZooopx8XCGF6Unt0

I have made it from Surfin Safari to Sunflower so far. I plan to get all the way to That's Why God Made The Radio eventually!

I think it is true that Mike wrote the r&b style verses of "Anna Lee." I am less sure about "All I Wanna Do."

Agree, magie, AIWD isn't the type song Mike could be capable to write. & AL got simplistic melody in verses that fits Mike. Mike's main strength is lyrics, there he made impressive things.

Actually,  I think Mike could have come up with all the melody and words to a song like AIWD and LTWB. Then Brian arranged it. Think about what Sloop John B was before Brian took off with it. And just because Mike couldn't preform on the piano or guitar doesn't mean he isn't familiar enough with the chords to write a song. I'm not saying he did. I really don't know.

If the members of The Beach Boys had never become a musical group, I still think Dennis and Brian would have grown up to have the same issues no matter what, due to longstanding psychological damage brought on by their dear old dad. Hell, Brian may have been plagued with feelings of being a failure, having all this musical talent and not being able to utilize it in a successful way.

Excellent point and I agree. A lot of trauma was baked into the family early on, and I think the three Wilson brothers were going to have a tough time of it no matter what. We are lucky today that they were able to channel their pain into great, timeless art.

At least in Brian's case, I can't see him having the exact same issues. What are the chances Brian takes acid had he never been in the music business? And on top of that, had he never been in the music business he'd never have the money to buy the amount of coke, marijuana, and whatever else he was buying post-65. In the words of Brian Wilson, LSD "shattered my mind in I don't even know how many pieces" - had he never taken acid I don't think his mind would've shattered like it did for him....which led him to be completely reckless...

...and I just don't see him destroying his life with coke had he never been a musician. So many of his issues were exaserbated by the use of drugs. And had he never had the blank check to buy as much coke as he wanted, I doubt Landy would've ever entered the picture - and think about how many issues Landy alone must've given Brian. I just don't see any of that happening had Brian ended up being an accountant, high school baseball coach, music teacher or something.

No doubt he would've still had anxiety and paranoia, but not to the degree that the drugs pushed him into.

Not to derail this topic to much, but you have just touched upon an interesting "What if?" question. What if Brian had never tried pot or lsd ? Or any drug at all for that matter. I can't remember if it was the marijuana or lsd, but supposedly the voices Brian hears constantly to this day started immediately after Brian tried one of the two substances.

His first nervous breakdown happened in late 1964 after he had marijuana for the first time. His 2nd breakdown happened in the spring of 1967, which lead to paranoia  and hearing inner voices. I'm not sure how long before that he had LSD.  I think he had his first LSD trip in 65 before recording California Girls. Perhaps there was another drug he took later, or those things began the process that slowly built up to the inner voices.

The best hope for the Beach Boys music would be if something like this happens to Darian Sajanaja, or one of the guys in the Explorers club. No, it wouldn't be top 40, but I bet they could give it an indie following. Most people could never do the Beach Boys music justice. 90% of covers I hear are watered down and cheesy.

Amish Paradise

https://youtu.be/dNmx3TaHfCY

Here is the one I made for that period. I called it California Feeling. I do like your Sweet Mountain album as well. Though realistically,  Mike and Al would get some leads.

If you haven't seen the movie 'Yesterday' there are spoilers here. But to sum it up, a guy wakes up and the Beatles never existed even though he remembers them. So what if this happened in the Beach Boys world? So if you have seen the movie, you know that John Lennon was a real man and still alive which makes total sense because it was his celebrity status that was why he was shot and  the shooter wanted to make a name for himself. I wonder if Dennis or Carl might still be alive today. Would Brian be mentally more healthy?Also, if we wanted to duplicate the music, the magic of it would be very difficult to achieve. It's not just the arrangements,  but the vocal blend and the feeling that Brian added to it. Which is one fault of the movie. A guy playing Beatles song on the guitar is not the same energy that the Beatles as a band put into their music. Some of the arrangements and versions were good in their own way.

First, I know that on a first date, or even early in a relationship,  being this open would be weird. But is it still weird when the couple is deep in a relationship? If so, what is the difference between being sensitive and opening up like this? Perhaps they want a 'manly' man, but if we are all being honest here, men have a feminine side. As much as we wish to be 'macho', we also deep down want to be able to express these kinds of deep feelings to someone that will listen and understand.

This might be way out of left field, but your line of questioning reminds me somewhat of the "Mars and Venus" book series. I was definitely more of an introverted Brian Wilson type than an extroverted Mike Love type (LOL) when in my 20s, and books like those were actually helpful to me in understanding the differences between men's and women's perceptions, and expected gender roles in early dating and early relationships. I liked the "Mars and Venus on a Date" book in particular for that reason. Again, kind of out of left field but FWIW you may find them interesting and/or helpful.

I will check it out

Stay single, adopt cat =  & cute/fun.
Brian's vulnerability is sth. I find charming.

I don't like cats. 

Perhaps a bit 'Dear Abbey' and may belong in the Sandbox....

I just listened to the new episode on the  Sail On podbean.
https://sailon.podbean.com/
These have been great if you haven't heard them yet! This latest episode is about 'You Still Believe In Me'. Something they mentioned is how personal and open Brian (or Tony Asher) is. Brian described it as exposing the female side. They mentioned how a lady gets weirded out by a guy that does this. My question has more to do with my lack of understanding of women. So any women on here, I would appreciate your input as well. First, I know that on a first date, or even early in a relationship,  being this open would be weird. But is it still weird when the couple is deep in a relationship? If so, what is the difference between being sensitive and opening up like this? Perhaps they want a 'manly' man, but if we are all being honest here, men have a feminine side. As much as we wish to be 'macho', we also deep down want to be able to express these kinds of deep feelings to someone that will listen and understand. As someone who has been single most of my life, I have had a difficult time connecting with a woman as I am  kind of a unique soul that wasn't made for these times. Sorry, perhaps this belongs in the sandbox. Lol!

Methuselah didn't retire until he was 897, so.....

I would like to point out first, that it is actually Al Jardine singing lead on Santa Ann Winds.

Mike sings...
"And see the San Gabriel Mountain scene"
"Becoming one with the boundless sea"
"Whispering the wisdom and its purity"

Oh yes. They are both jarring on this one. I like the earlier version better.

Cancellation of the world tour in 1977??? Of course if they didn't,  the whole world would see what Australia would see.

Thx to you Jay. You couldn't have been more correct. I saw things no one should ever have to see. I won't be sharing them for that reason. Brian doesn't need to relive them, nor anyone else.

With respect, I agree with some of this, and less with other parts.

I saw things no one should ever have to see. I won't be sharing them for that reason.

Okay, yes, especially if this means that you will not share them on a random message board like this.

Brian doesn't need to relive them [ ]

Yeah, this sounds about right too, particularly at this late stage. In fact, one of the open questions in the study of trauma recovery (Brian Wilson is, among other things a survivor of a punishing regimen of trauma inflicted upon him, in one form or another, for 40 or 50 years, I would say; some of it inflicted intentionally with malice, some of it inadvertently, some it passively) is to what degree the survivor really needs to delve into the finer details of what occurred, in order to heal.  The problem, as far as I know, is that "reliving" can, in some cases, ultimately lead to healing, while in other cases, "reliving" only retraumatizes the person and doesn't make things better. (I'm not a doctor by the way, but even if I was, it wouldn't mean I knew what I was talking about)

[...]nor anyone else.

This is a very different question.  Brian has almost certainly made statements to the effect of, "I don't want to talk about" or "I don't like thinking about it," or he abruptly ends an interview, whatever.  I'm not sure that he has ever really said, "the public shouldn't know about it," or "people shouldn't talk about it etc." Strong case could be made that there's evidence that Brian does want (or at least doesn't mind if) people talk about this stuff. Certainly, in my opinion, the recent memoir, the movie and whatever that "mental illness" awareness campaign thing was indicates that he is on the side of open discussion.  It very well could be just that he , himself, doesn't want to be involved in that discussion.  The question is, how are these matters to be discussed.  Message board maybe not a great forum (it may seem like I'm discussing them here, but I'm barely tiptoeing around the edges) but they ought to be aired at some point. 

So, now, with Pamplin and Hamady, we have a fresh, formally published account of Brian's "mental illness" years (not the first, of course, much of the material has been laid out in earlier books)  The book is honest - they mean what they wrote and it is sensible as far as it goes: drugs bad, money good.  Beyond that, as I said before somewhere in this thread, the book is, simply, wrong.  Debbie's take is not necessarily "right," but it might take account of things that other people blow right past, such as, "hey, this is an actual human being." 

Has Brian ever even been asked about Rpcky? I know there are certain things he has said, "I'd rather not talk about it". But he has openly discussed Eugene Landy. He even indorsed Love and Mercy. Is his experience with Rocky any worse than that?

This is why I'm leaving any negative comments that Brian might want "out there" to him. You'll probably hear few, if any from him.  Rocky was a complicated part of Brian's life, to say the least. I haven't read the book and can't anytime soon (emotionally) since I'm dealing with a complicated situation with my husband's health. I wasn't happy with what I saw, but I'm guessing Stan and Rocky were doing what they thought was their jobs. Also on a few things Rocky posted here in response to me comments - let's just say my memory was quite different. I didn't correct them. The truth is, it doesn't matter anymore. My sense is that Brian wants to be at peace with it all, and that certainly works for me. Brian (and I) truly don't like being at odds with others, and he deals with these things in his own way. I know I got really angry with people here since I'm so protective of Brian, family and friends. I said things I shouldn't have. I was just exhausted with all the destructive misinformation people were sharing and made a bad choice.  Brian is NOT forced to tour. It's his choice. So if anyone trashes his tour plans implying that it's against his will, I see red. They're diminishing the supportive people around Brian and his own personal choices, and I love and care about these people - the ones who REALLY knows what's going on with Brian without a personal agenda are the ones who are there for him personally.

First, I want to send my prayers to you and your husband! I have been through that with loved ones as well!

Any rumors I heard concerning Brian's current state was laid to rest when Al Jardine began touring with Brian. Al is a life long friend and I know that if anything was going on, he would have been against it. I think that Mike Love deeply cares for Brian as well and I can understand his suspicions based on those who have used Brian in the past. I have seen Mike tear up when talking about Brian.

Thx to you Jay. You couldn't have been more correct. I saw things no one should ever have to see. I won't be sharing them for that reason. Brian doesn't need to relive them, nor anyone else.

With respect, I agree with some of this, and less with other parts.

I saw things no one should ever have to see. I won't be sharing them for that reason.

Okay, yes, especially if this means that you will not share them on a random message board like this.

Brian doesn't need to relive them [ ]

Yeah, this sounds about right too, particularly at this late stage. In fact, one of the open questions in the study of trauma recovery (Brian Wilson is, among other things a survivor of a punishing regimen of trauma inflicted upon him, in one form or another, for 40 or 50 years, I would say; some of it inflicted intentionally with malice, some of it inadvertently, some it passively) is to what degree the survivor really needs to delve into the finer details of what occurred, in order to heal.  The problem, as far as I know, is that "reliving" can, in some cases, ultimately lead to healing, while in other cases, "reliving" only retraumatizes the person and doesn't make things better. (I'm not a doctor by the way, but even if I was, it wouldn't mean I knew what I was talking about)

[...]nor anyone else.

This is a very different question.  Brian has almost certainly made statements to the effect of, "I don't want to talk about" or "I don't like thinking about it," or he abruptly ends an interview, whatever.  I'm not sure that he has ever really said, "the public shouldn't know about it," or "people shouldn't talk about it etc." Strong case could be made that there's evidence that Brian does want (or at least doesn't mind if) people talk about this stuff. Certainly, in my opinion, the recent memoir, the movie and whatever that "mental illness" awareness campaign thing was indicates that he is on the side of open discussion.  It very well could be just that he , himself, doesn't want to be involved in that discussion.  The question is, how are these matters to be discussed.  Message board maybe not a great forum (it may seem like I'm discussing them here, but I'm barely tiptoeing around the edges) but they ought to be aired at some point. 

So, now, with Pamplin and Hamady, we have a fresh, formally published account of Brian's "mental illness" years (not the first, of course, much of the material has been laid out in earlier books)  The book is honest - they mean what they wrote and it is sensible as far as it goes: drugs bad, money good.  Beyond that, as I said before somewhere in this thread, the book is, simply, wrong.  Debbie's take is not necessarily "right," but it might take account of things that other people blow right past, such as, "hey, this is an actual human being." 

Has Brian ever even been asked about Rpcky? I know there are certain things he has said, "I'd rather not talk about it". But he has openly discussed Eugene Landy. He even indorsed Love and Mercy. Is his experience with Rocky any worse than that?

I will put in a bid for $5. That's all I can afford.