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26  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Short New Interview w/ Mike on ABC News Website on: January 18, 2017, 08:08:04 PM
Any B, I truly feel you hit the nail with your first swing.....PASSIVE AGGRESIVE.   Everyone take a minute and look up the medical definition (diagnosis) of this disorder....and then close your eyes......and think about Mikes continued behavior over the last 20 years.

At least (by SSmile accounts) Brian is medicated.  Just maybe someone else should be also....
27  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Billboard: \ on: December 30, 2016, 10:33:09 AM
Hey GF.....don't you think (or have a feel for) that Mike IS legally bound to BRI via the terms of the license ?   I'm guessing behind the scenes, a lot is being said within BRI and the 4 principals.  If Mike's legal team determines that he must get BRI approval to pass muster, then I believe this is the hold-up.  A 2-2 vote would be a negative right ??  Guessing he must need a 3-1 vote to be able to play.
28  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Billboard: \ on: December 23, 2016, 01:44:44 PM
Been reading this thread, taking deep long breaths as I take it all in.  So what I've taken in so far...

1.  We have a poster telling us the 1/20 concert in No. Caroline has been cancelled.  Later poster says its been re-scheduled for 1/22.

2.  Media across the world is picking up the story.....Seems either the Guardian or Rolling Stone first reported it as the story seemed to swirl out of control  over the past 48 to 72 hours. 

3.  Mike's people say its being considered and Brian's people disavowing any involvement of Brian or Al.

4.  One or two (hundred) comments about the BB Brand and the effects of Mikes group showing up on the brand going forward.   I've always felt the threads that have talked about the license as some of the most informative, especially how its played out since 1998.   In this case, I feel the point being made about merchandise and merchandising has HUGE questions going forward.

5,  So what happens to the brand when people with bullhorns show up at each concert venue where Mike's playing.  People still may go to the show,  but just maybe won't lay out an extra 50 bucks for merchandise.  This could/will have a multiplier effect.  I'm not an expert, but merch at the show stays with Mike but merch off the BB's website stays with the 4 BRI principals ?  correct ??    please correct me if I'm incorrect. 

6.  Terms of the BRI license has been discussed forever here on the board.   Holder of license can NOT do anything in any shape or form to harm the brand.

&.  My gut thinks a special BRI board meeting is in order.  I don't know the mechanics of how this can happen (or maybe it has happened??)....and we'll see which way Carl's estate votes.  Hopefully the money made for a 1/20 inauguration show isn't enough to sway any negative votes.... yes sadly, capitalism at its finest.   Guessing a 2-2 vote...the show goes on....and if that's the case.....I want a bullhorn for XMAS
29  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Should the Beach Boys play the Trump inauguration? on: November 26, 2016, 11:55:25 PM
After reading the above two pages of posts... a general thought for the masses.....with Mike having the license to tour, can BRI actually step in and  STOP a tour stop (whether it be in Las Cruces, New Mexico or a Trump inauguration stop).  I truly don't think any of us know if BRI can stop a show.  Whether it be a New Mexico promoter for a New Mexico show, or the Trump inauguration show in DC. 

So, for me, no I'm not a Trump fan.  In fact the thought galls me.  However, I'm not sure with the Beach Boys current structural apparatus, meaning BRI, can stop a DC show in January....  Unless there's fine print that none of us are aware of.   Just my thoughts
30  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike's book tour dates on: November 17, 2016, 02:50:35 PM
After the book signing in Seattle, Mike said he was off to Portland to visit family.  Aren't both Maureen and Stan in the Portland area ?   No mention was made during the Q&A about Stephen.
31  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike's book tour dates on: November 15, 2016, 04:47:03 PM
Everyone, this is why I love this board so much.  I go to a book signing, resurrect a thread that hadn't been posted on for over 30  days, and look at the last 20 responses.  A lot of what I would say is damn good thoughtful analysis on the cluster C50 became.  IMO, a lot of what's been said and especially by HJ and GF, hits the nail on the head, from a pure speculation point of view.  Mike spoke of the endless meetings with Capitol while trying to hammer out the actual tour arrangements.  I think GF's last questions about the level of Capitol's involvement ties in hugely with HJ's reasoning/point of view where Mike felt stepped on in the process and stews over lost $$$'s. 

Okay now round two.  I forgot about this when I typed up my response back on 10/31.  Reference the branding license meeting at BRI back in 98-ish.  Mike said he abstained  and the vote was 2-1.  You all are better searching back threads than I am.  I believe I read a thread years ago where people were saying the vote was 3-1 and AGD came in and said don't believe everything you hear or read.....Anyone else recall that thread ?   
32  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016 on: November 14, 2016, 10:40:14 AM
Greats comments guys

HJ, I'd have to go back into Bellagio and see the line-ups of the MB shows I've seen post 98.  I know I've seen just 6 people on stage for a Mike show.  Obviously this could have been a one off situation and in the pre-Totten years after 98.  Your comments about Scott Totten are right on 100% and Mike owes this gent a debt of gratitude when he hangs up his surfboard.  Leago was very prominent during the "Pet Sounds" part of the show.  Interesting comments about why he added which do make a lot of sense.  He came out front 3 or 4 times with his sax a wailing which made me chuckle during the show, thinking back to all the fair shows I saw in the 80's with Mike a wailing. on his sax.

I posted last month after I saw the BW show at the same venue that Matt in my opinion stole the show.   HJ, have you seen a MB show since Brian E has joined the line-up ?  If not, go see them to compare the band versus the last MB/Totten show you've seen. I guess that's the point I'm trying to make.  I was hugely surprised and impressed with the acapella rendition of Hearts Are Full Of Spring.   It was Scott T/Bruce/Brian E/ and Mike.  Beautifully done and the audience responded.  No, not a deep BB or BW song as many want hear on these threads, but a very BW-like sound.

My main sense leaving the show.  I saw this band in a casino last Sept 28 2015.  I get it...crappy acoustics....but from then to now....Scott has, as was mentioned, "tightened up" this band in the another notch in the past year and I feel Scott has tons more flexibility with Brian E in the band.  Four California shows in the next 7 days.  Hopefully these are in great venues.  Go see them if they are in your area and make your own comparisons......if not satisfied, send me your ticket stub and I'll buy your tickey.  I mean it. 

And yes Thorgil, its so nice to read a positive post (even with a little vinegar) from the old grump. 

33  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: One act for all time----would it be the BB? on: November 14, 2016, 12:14:47 AM
Was kind of surprised not to see anyone mention Springsteen.  Though a lot of these responses were before the election.
34  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016 on: November 13, 2016, 11:58:55 PM
Hi everyone,

My daughter and I went to Mike's Seattle show on Saturday night.  We got very lucky.  Two weeks ago, Mike had his book signing in Seattle for his book.  We both went to the signing and at the end, Mike's wife Jackie raffled off three pairs of tickets to Saturday's (11/12) show.  Katie, my daughter, got lucky and won a pair of tickets.  We waited two weeks and last Friday night before the show, we finally got the e-mail from Mike's tour manager saying congrats, you have 2 tickets to the meet n greet.  A very nice surprise.

Folks, Brian Eichenberger, the addition to the band from the Four Freshmen, has a SET of pipes.  Obviously the sound guys on the side can do wonderful stuff to enhance the quality of the on stage voice.  No enhancement needed with Brian E. !!!   All we see on these threads are about how the Mike show is bare bones.  I don't get that garbage.  Mike now has 8 people in the group.   Mike/Bruce/Scott/Foskett/Bonhomme/Cowsill/Eichenberger/Leago.

Here is what I noticed from past MB shows.  Adding the newest member, Randy Leago, adds a huge amount of percussion (saxes/flutes/ets) that Mike hasn't had in the group for a long time.  I saw the band last September in Seattle (a casino show)  shortly after both Brian E. and foskett had joined the band.  The venue sucked but I also felt maybe Scott T. hadn't yet been able to "meld" the guys into the group yet.  And yes, I think this stuff takes time.

I saw BW at the same venue here in Seattle 34 days ago with his Pets Sounds tour.  Yes still two different types of bands but I mean this....they are getting closer together on the Pet Sounds stuff.  My opinion is the "healthy" competition is good for the consumer.   Both bands have strengths but their individual weaknesses are narrowing rapidly

I love the Beach Boys...I love Brian Wilson.....get on their tour pages....go see them....especially if its a concert won't regret it.....even you OSD
35  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike's book tour dates on: November 13, 2016, 11:26:16 PM
Hey Jude...sorry for the delay....severe computer issues for two weeks.

Your question to me about Mike and Joe Thomas.  As I said in my earlier post, Mike was very clear about his feelings on C50 ending.  Complexity issues started immediately trying to coord the tour simultaneously negotiating with Capitol on TWGMTR.  Issues combining the bands, length etc were all hashed out at the end of 2011 and the beginning of 2012.  In these meetings, agreements were also made with Capitol on TWGMTR and having Joe Thomas come on board.  Mike was to bring "tracks" to the recording sessions to be included on the album..  Its here where things went south, and he termed Joe Thomas as a  "pathological liar".  When Mike got to the sessions, it was then he realized that Joe had the album mostly complete with Brian's old material.  Obviously reading his book, things were going south fast as he left the tour during a studio session where the auto tune was put on the mics and the blow-up with Melinda ensused. 

Again everyone, Mike was calm and clear talking about this stuff.  Being honest, I wish all of you could have been at this event.
36  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Part 2 of interview with Mike book collaborator James S. Hirsch on: November 03, 2016, 11:43:29 AM
I think the back cover read "Produced by Brian Wilson & Joe Thomas" and "Executive Producer: Mike Love."

I would imagine he served a similar role compared to "Imagination", perhaps an even more prominent role since Brian wasn't exactly the ring leader of that entire project on every song.

Are/Were there any indications that Mike left this project with hard feeling towards Joe Thomas.....The license to Mike was issued only a couple years later that gave him control of the touring band enabling him to be in control of brand Huh   A lot happened in those two years.....Carl's decline and death....lawsuit by BRI/Mike against AL  etc etc....
37  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian in a wheelchair on: November 03, 2016, 11:36:59 AM
Sorry bad post.....Does Jerry Weiss now room with Brain on the road Huh  And maybe have the same responsibilities that JF had for many years ?

I'm not certain what you're trying to say here.  As I understand it, Brian always gets a large suite with various rooms and has an assistant with him to handle his schedule demands (interviews, prepping for shows etc.).  Jerry's a wonderful man and a godsend for Brian, and he does his job very well.  As far as the wheelchair is concerned, I did joke with a friend that Brian is probably pi**ed at himself for not thinking of this option years ago.  He enjoys his comforts.  He deserves them.  Can't we just smile about it and be glad he's still touring his music?

I must say when I was dragging my bag through Heathrow a few months ago all the way from the Virgin Atlantic gate to customs, I was thinking a wheelchair seemed pretty good.

I don't think any negative connotation was intended in the original/previous post from barsone regarding Jerry Weiss.

Ray Lawlor has posted in the past describing the functions Foskett served out on the road (apart from on-stage), and I think barsone was just curious if Jerry Weiss was filling that role now.

I think Ray did a great job awhile back of describing the team Brian has out on the road. I think what Foskett has done in past years for Brian are things an artist out on the road would have someone helping them with. I think some of those roles aren't often filled by a touring musician/singer, so that's where Ray's clarifications really helped.

I think mainly fans are glad to see Brian have a good road crew and support system.
Thanks Hey Jude...That's all I was asking regarding Jerry Weiss and how it might have been related to the Foskett era.  I did not see (or remember) Ray's post on the traveling situation.  And obviously agree 100% on having good support systems for BW.  My post initially in the thread started back with the video posted from the airport.
38  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Part 2 of interview with Mike book collaborator James S. Hirsch on: November 03, 2016, 11:17:03 AM
Hey guys, a general question back to Joe Thomas.  What was his exact "duties or job" during the Nashville/Star and Stripes Album ?
39  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike's book tour dates on: October 31, 2016, 09:24:09 PM
I thought I would bump this.   I was at Mike's book signing yesterday in Seattle.  Horrific weather at the time with traffic backed up everywhere in the city due to accidents and sporting events.  A few thoughts are below....

The event started with a gentleman asking Mike 15 or 20 questions about his time in the BB's up to why he wrote the book.  Then there were probably another 20 questions from the audience.  Probably a total of 30 to 35 people there to get a book signed by Mike.  It was very casual and I thought Mike presented himself well (his wife Jackie was also there). 

Just as in the book, Mike did not pull any punches with regard to Melinda.  However the worst "verbage" was for Joe Thomas...whew....not hard seeing why C50 ended so badly.  From his point of view, a lot of promises were made up front that just weren't kept.  I felt sad hearing this, but also felt somewhat uncomfortable sitting 3 seats away from Jackie hearing Mike say the Melinda stuff.  I know the Melinda stuff is attached to Mike working again with Brian so I get why the two are always brought up in the same sentence.  Just feels weird hearing someone talking so negative about someone else's wife. 

A ton of stupid goofy questions from the audience. Best question I heard was from a guy who asked Mike about his relationship with Al.  Very complicated answer but the guy said he thought Mike and Al were a lot alike going back to their TM days, sitting in the front of the plane together, lack of heavy drug use,  etc etc.  Mike initially seemed very surprised that someone would think that he and Al are alike.  He then corrected himself and said, you know what, we are alike in the ways you described.  Mike then went on to say the whole "your fired" letter did not surprise him with how the relationship between Mike/Brian/wives/Joe Thomas etc had deteriorated but it really hurt him that Al was also a part of the letter.  Lastly in a very comforting way, he said he's not surprised that Al feels tied to Brian as it was Brian who got him in the group initially at the start after their high school days together and I'm all right with that.  No mention of the post 98 lawsuits against Al in any of his answers.  My back was KILLING me, and was having to get up and stand in the back.  I had my hand up to ask a question but never got called on.  Mike's wife is a HUGE Cubs fan and game 5 was starting in 30 minutes so everyone was kinda rushed through book signing.

It was a fun couple of hours
40  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian in a wheelchair on: October 28, 2016, 01:39:59 PM
Sorry bad post.....Does Jerry Weiss now room with Brain on the road Huh  And maybe have the same responsibilities that JF had for many years ?
41  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian in a wheelchair on: October 28, 2016, 01:38:26 PM
Actually ran into a friend today who has a bad backache going, and she stated that she feels best on her feet, not sitting down, so perhaps the "wheelchair for a bad back" scenario may not be true.

For Brian, though, it's not "merely" a bad back.

Marty and 18th of May (and for anyone that may know).   Does Jerry Weiss now room with Brian on the road ?   Maybe the same responsibilities that JF had for many years ?
Anyone recognize the gentleman leading the way for Brian through the door.  Grey hair pulling his luggage ?
Yes I do.

It's Jerry Weiss.
42  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian in a wheelchair on: October 27, 2016, 03:13:37 PM
Actually ran into a friend today who has a bad backache going, and she stated that she feels best on her feet, not sitting down, so perhaps the "wheelchair for a bad back" scenario may not be true.

For Brian, though, it's not "merely" a bad back.
Anyone recognize the gentleman leading the way for Brian through the door.  Grey hair pulling his luggage ?
43  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson - 2017 Tour Thread (Pet Sounds - The Final Performances) on: October 24, 2016, 11:51:35 AM
Perhaps this is jumping the gun a bit, but The Zombies just announced a 50th Anniversary tour of Odyssey and Oracle in the US running through March & April, so I presume Darian will probably be out of the BW Band again on this new leg? Theoretically, he could do the shows in May, but it would seem to make more sense to just have one player for the whole run, especially if they brought back Debbie who seems to be fitting in beautifully.

Here's a question I've not seen addressed regarding Rubber Souls above post.  The Wondermints go back a long time with Darian, Scott B, D'Amico and others.  Is there a chance that Darian and Scott are/were so close, that Scott's current situation, it has given Darian the impetus to move on to a post BW band life.  Band members come and go.  With Darian now doing his Disney/Zombie gigs, has he actually left the band and its just not been announced by Brian.  Just a thought and ALL supposition on my part.  I have ZERO insider knowledge.  Just thinking if Scott and Darian are extremely close, as much as he obviously loves the BW music and band mates, the Scott B situation may just be painful  enough that he felt it was time to move on.
44  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson - 2017 Tour Thread (Pet Sounds - The Final Performances) on: October 11, 2016, 11:23:54 AM
Thank you HJ for the 2017 Tour update

Yes I know I'm gloating but he's coming back to Seattle in April......Thank you oh Lord !!!!!!!!!!
Then a quick trip back to Ohio to visit the parents 2 weeks later and bingo concert #2

2017 has the look of a very good year !! 
45  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson 2016 Tour Thread (Pet Sounds 50th Anniversary Tour) on: October 10, 2016, 09:06:28 AM
And may I add about the show......just a beautiful evening.  The  Paramount Theatre in Seattle is a wonderful venue that has 3000+ seats.  People were begging for tickets outside the front door.

I felt Matt Jardine was the star of the show.  His voice just resonated both on his solo's and as he covered for Brian and the audience FULLY embraced him.
The band truly looked energized as they received multiple standing ovations throughout the show.  Brian was in a great mood and VERY talkative.  Al was....just Al.  His voice just ages like a fine wine.  And did Blondie rock !!

This was my first show seeing the new keyboardists.  The vocal stacked seemed different to me when they sang backup on some of the songs but in a good different way.  I think Gary is much lower than Darian (almost down to ML bass line but not quite) and Debbie obviously was higher than Scott in the old stack but also maybe a bit higher than when Taylor Mills was in the band. 

And as the encore worked its way to Love and Mercy, I started tearing up thinking this may be the last time I/we may see Brian out on an extended tour like we've seen this year.  Since 1974, this was my 45th  Beach Boys/ML Band/BW band show.  If this was my last show, I can't think of having a better evening meeting some Smiley Smilers and listening to the music we love.

46  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson 2016 Tour Thread (Pet Sounds 50th Anniversary Tour) on: October 10, 2016, 08:40:17 AM
Morning Hey Jude......I was there with  both undercover-m and bubbly waves.  So unbelievable to see this generation of 20-somethings enjoy the music as much as I have for the last 40 years !!  Believe me when I say Smiley Smile is in good shape with these kids (hee hee) contributing to the board. 

I can tell you the set-list is the almost exact same as Portland but with Your So Good To Me instead of Little Honda

And GREAT job keeping these set lists up to date
47  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Bubs and M are (getting) drunk; ask us anything! on: August 25, 2016, 02:22:36 PM
Hey Undercover.....just saw this ditty of a thread !!   nice !!   just a reminder....   41 days until Brian Wilson
48  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike Love \ on: August 19, 2016, 12:19:27 AM
Wouldn't Jeff Foskett have the info on what really goes on in Brian's life, to pass onto Mike Love.

I truly think this is one of the most overlooked points in the Beach Boys history over the last 24 mos.   Wasn't there some comments about Foskett basically being BW's caretaker on the in the same suite on the road each evening for the better part of 10 years Huh   None of us know what this "totally" entailed on a daily basis for Jeff.   Jeff decides to move on as BW wasn't touring enough in 2014 to pay the bills......and he makes the call to Mike (or was it the other way around Huh)   and he ends up in Mike's band. 

We can go through a multitude of different scenarios...but in the end,
Mike is quoted as saying he made contact with Jeff...and after a meeting...decided to add Jeff to the ML band.

So to answer Urbanites question from gut thinks Jeff has "some" info on Brian that he has shared....or he's using this "perceived" information to make himself look better to Mike....thus perpetuating the ML incessant interviews about "handlers and medication"

I dunno folks....but it seems to me we've given Jeff a pass on this move between the two bands ...and perceptually how he views the relationship between Bw/ML and how Ray Lawlor perceives the relationship.
49  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Coordination of BW and ML tour dates ?? on: August 16, 2016, 01:06:35 PM
So I been wondering over the past 5 to 10 years, how much coordination behind the scenes is there either between the tour managers of the 2 groups or might BRI be somehow involved coordinating the BW/ML tour schedules ?   ML has continued to tour his yearly 100+ schedule, especially since he upgraded his band with Scott coming on board.  BW has definitely increased his activity since 2011, in particular, the number of tours and frequency of dates on each tour. I'm a neophyte when it comes to managing a tour, tour promoters, and scheduling. etc.

So... BW is in Seattle on 10/8 playing the Paramount Theatre.  I bought tickets the first day they were offered to the public (4th row).  Now I see ML is in Seattle 34 days later on 11/12 at the SAME venue.  This seems really odd to me.  The bands also play Portland, Oregon concerts, though at different venues, nights prior and after the Seattle shows.

Always seemed to me the guys were always in different parts of the country where overkill/brand delusion wasn't a factor.   Just coincidence or is there more to the ML band being scheduled 34 days apart in the same cities/venues that meets the eye ?   Just wondering peoples thoughts as many of you are close to the bands and maybe have been involved as promoters in the past.
50  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Scott Bennett Releases Statement Regarding Oklahoma Incident on: May 10, 2016, 05:56:19 PM

"Mr. Bennett did not have sexual intercourse, let alone rape the woman who brought charges. This is a case of drunken misjudgment, that led to kissing and fondling in the lobby of a hotel," McMurray adds. "The investigator admitted to leaving critical statements supporting Mr. Bennett's innocence out of his report, including but certainly not limited to Mr. Bennett going to get help for the woman, leaving her briefly in the 7th floor hallway where she couldn’t remember her room number, and going in search of security. Mr. Bennett cooperated entirely with investigators, waived all rights, but was not asked to take a blood alcohol test, which would have provided the jury crucial evidence of his level of intoxication."

I couldn't find the thread for this in the General On Topic Discussion sub-forum for some reason...regardless, here is Scott's side of the story.

I'm still troubled by some of the timing of events....what time did the concert end...where did Scott drink post concert...the lobby scene....elevator scene.....hallway scene....his room for 35 minutes......then the 7th floor scene.   None of us have had the ability to have scene the hotel video, right ?  Did Scott go for help at the end or did he just leave her there on the 7th floor hallway?  Had the hotel already called the police ?  At some point this leads to the interrogations the next morning and the gathering of evidence.  Sad but always true, guilty is guilty.  Just a lot of unanswered questions and gut-wrenching feelings for all of us.

I remember seeing BW's group for the 2nd time in St. Charles Ill. in 2011 or 2012.  This was the town on the west side of Chicago where BW bought the home in 1998 and where his band was founded.  At the intermission I was bringing back 3 waters to my seats.  It was very crowded and hot in this old vaudeville theatre.  As I was going to turn into my 2 row seats, Scott came out the side door with his daughter to get her something to drink in the back.  Crowded as heck and he couldn't even take two steps.  I gave him one of my waters for his daughter.  He was very thankful and I said no problem, just glad to help.

I now think back to the beginning...BW with the Wondermints and the sound they produced in person. And now there seems to be a hole that's tough to patch.  Yeah Billy and Griffin are the back-ups but its not the same IMO.  People aren't perfect and we all have warts.  I pray for the victim as rape is as awful a crime that can be committed.  I also pray for Scott....hoping with all my hope this was only a one time incident.  Going to be a long 34 days till 6/14....especially if one is sitting in a cell.

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