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1451  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: When did Brian appear on stage with the BB for the last time? on: May 14, 2007, 10:38:52 AM
I agree, although I would also like to hear one more Their Hearts Were Full of Spring seeing as thats how they kind of started, a fitting ending!

Uh, you would not want to hear that from the current surviving members.  They simply couldn't pull it off. For "Their Hearts Were Full of Spring" to be anywhere near listenable, it would require Carl, Matt Jardine and hours of rehearsal. 
1452  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: When did Brian appear on stage with the BB for the last time? on: May 13, 2007, 09:06:34 AM
It could be a nice one-off gig to say goodbye.  Of course, with Mike involved, he would never just ride off into the sunset.  I can't believe the chances are as high as 10%.  Ok, maybe 10%.
1453  Smiley Smile Stuff / Polls / Re: POLL: Best live lead vocal on Sloop John B on: May 10, 2007, 03:43:05 PM
For my money, it's gotta be Carl on WIBN, but Al on Sloop...
1454  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Speaking of lead vocals... on: May 03, 2007, 01:21:54 PM
Carl's first lead is on the first BB's LP. Summertime Blues with Dave Marks singing with him.

No kidding? Of course I haven't listened to that album in probably 20 years. Always thought "Girl Don't Tell Me" was credited as Car's first...
1455  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Billy Hinsche to join Brian .. on: May 02, 2007, 03:20:14 PM
As for a confirmation, yes Darian is suppose to be there... at least for the New Jersey shows.

Wait, New Jersey has been moved to Europe? Anyway, I certainly don't know all of the ins and outs.  However, simply from a listener's POV, Hinsche would appear to be completely excess baggage.
1456  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Speaking of lead vocals... on: May 02, 2007, 03:14:41 PM
"All Dressed Up For School"...I know this has been credited to Brian in the past.  But c'mon, this is Carl, right?  And this would be his first lead as well.
1457  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Carl Wilson singing \ on: April 30, 2007, 08:07:07 PM
Couldn't agree more.  Those two performances were always some of my favorites from later years. Al did some great lead vocals live, but could never pull off WIBN like Carl. Likewise, Don't Worry Baby lost some of it's soul to me when Carl gave it away.   As for other favorites, I would throw Al and Matt teaming up on "You're So Good To Me" in 96 and 97 in there as well
1458  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Most overrated, most underrated SONG on: April 20, 2007, 04:38:01 PM
Underated: Feel Flows (better than Trader); Where I Belong (never mentioned); All This is That; Sail on Sailor; Wendy; Little Honda; Please Let Me Wonder

Overated: On this Board? California Girls. Sorry, but unlike some of the other classics, it just wears on me after repeated listenings.
1459  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian's current albums - What's more important? on: March 29, 2007, 04:51:36 PM
Here's the point--Some stuff on SI absolutely stunk. "Brian", Smart Girls", Concert Tonight". Those are complete 100% Landy. The stuff that had some potential, i.e. "Angel" was completely lost on Landy.  Imagine what Brian could have done with that song had he been with Waronker & Titelman or any other real musician.
1460  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian's current albums - What's more important? on: March 28, 2007, 08:07:58 PM
While '88 is clearly Brian's best solo work (save the vocals) please rememeber it was NOT Landy that got this work out of Brian.   Some very talented people (Lenny Waronker, Russ Titelman, Andy Paley, Seymour Stein) got this work out of Brian and almost killed Landy in the process. Gary Usher had the same experiece on the demos leading up to that album. You want to hear what Landy got out of Brian?  Listen to those Sweet Insanity boots.  Nothing good from '88 came from Landy's involvement.  It was completely in spite of him.
1461  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Best American Mike Love show since box set tour. on: March 28, 2007, 07:57:20 PM
Are they worth seeing?  Depends.  Did you see them before Carl passed on? If so, don't go. If not, go once just for the experience.  They are legends.  I had seen Brian a few times on his own (including with Al at UCLA), but swore I would not see the "Beach Boys" post Carl's death, Al's firing, etc.  Well, I have a 9 year old daughter who is a fan and never saw them before.  She saw Brian and Al, so I took her to see Mike and Bruce.  The poor thing to me about Mike and Bruce is the band.  I just don't need to hear John Cowsill singing Darlin' or Rhonda; don't need Chris Farmer singing Then I kissed Her...they're just not that good.  I do like Christian Love, though.   Kinda how I liked Matt Jardine so much more than Adrian Baker (well, that and he was 100 times better than Baker)
1462  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian already recording? on: March 28, 2007, 03:45:20 PM
Brian & Melinda were married on Marilyn's b-day.  Wouldn't be surprised if  Jonah were his realtor.
1463  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Just Wondering? on: March 28, 2007, 03:40:25 PM
Brian & Al, no contest.  However, I wouldn't mind seeing them do Mike's set list...
1464  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: TV Show 1988 Brian??? on: March 26, 2007, 01:53:55 PM
These are two seperate shows.  "Hot night in Ibiza" which aired in the U.S either on Showtime or HBO, and the aforementioned Dick Clark show.  The "NightTime" dance number was from the Dick Clark show. 
1465  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: brian's back...thoughts? on: March 24, 2007, 06:50:14 PM
In this case I don't care about them quoting themselves, or ripping themselves off.  I can listen to Carl sing that riff over, and over, and over...beautiful.
1466  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: TV Show 1988 Brian??? on: March 24, 2007, 06:46:32 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong but my memory of the Endless Summer "In My Car" clip was the cutting to interview mid song. Guess Brian must have hit goofy overdrive and it was one way to delete it.

Exactly...during which he called the song a "great piece of art..."
1467  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: TV Show 1988 Brian??? on: March 24, 2007, 09:29:06 AM
Well, there were figuratively a miliion such appearances by Brian in 88.  The one where he performed In My Car & Love and Mercy was from the BB's variety show entitled Endless Summer, which actually aired in the summer of 1989. The infamous "campfire sessions" were from that series. All of the concert footage (including Brian's) was filmed at the Pacific Amphithaeter in Costa Mesa CA in May, 1989, the second night of the BB's/Chicago tour that year.  Brian performed the two above noted songs and Country feelins.  His performance for the t.v show was heavily overdubbed as his performance in concert was absolutely embarassing (I was there).  The guy on the keyboard was Michael Bernard, who worked on some of Brian's early solo work.

HOWEVER, I don't think that is the t.v. performance to which you are actually referring.   The one in which Brian performed Nightime with the ridiculous dance routine was on a Dick Clark variety show that ran in the U.S. in the late summer of 1988.  Don't recall the actual name of the series. The performance was completely embarassing, the epitome of Brian as Landy's performing circus Bear.  And, yes, he had on the leather pants.
1468  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: on: March 23, 2007, 11:00:23 AM
Huh. I didn't know that.


BTW...the backing vox are one of my favorites post Holland. Fave has to be Where I Belong.

Huh? Granted, the BGV's on Where I Belong are FANTASTIC, but that was from the 1985 album...
1469  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian and Al - The original Beach Boys? on: March 21, 2007, 04:42:07 PM
Mike, Brian & Al have the right to use the name Beach Boys IF GRANTED A LICENSE by BRI.  To date, Al had a license, it expired.  Mike has the only current license, so it is exclusive.  BRI (For the record, Mike, Brian, Al & Carl's estate) could vote to grant another license. To my knowledge, that has not yet happened.
1470  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Carl Wilson 81 on: March 21, 2007, 03:36:42 PM
Agreed, MBE.  Except, I would add that in addition to being a waste of time S&S just rips my heart out because if you can get beyond the schlock, the actual BGV's of the Boys on The warmth of the Sun, Caroline, No, Don't Worry Baby show just how great they could still sound together, circa 1995. For whatvever reason, they chose not to share that with us in any meaningful way. 
1471  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Carl Wilson 81 on: March 21, 2007, 01:51:15 PM
I think we can all sit here and give fairly good educated guesses as to why certain things did not happen, such as the '96 PS tour or the Don Was sessions.  We all have a certain amount of information and knoweledge at our fingertips.  HOWEVER, it is still limited.  We cannot possibly fathom the what those relationships between Brian, Carl, Mike, Al were really like  underneath it all. It was not as simple as someone saying, " Hey, I want to go out and do a tour full of Pet Sounds material to promote the box set, let's go", or "Although we haven't done an album together in 10 years and I just left my therapist due to your lawsuit, etc, let's make a new album produced by Don Was. "  These things sound great to us in the abstract, but to those guys in those relationships with all kinds of crap behind them that we will never know, it just couldn't happen.   As for Carl putting the kibosh on the PS tour, MY EDUCATED GUESS is that it was possible, although I doubt it was as simple as "Brian's voice isn't good enough anymore" (But rememeber, as we sit here today and hear Brian live, do we forget how MUCH BETTER he is now than when he started this whole venture in 2000?  If Carl had thought that then, would he really have been wrong? Would we have thought the same thing then?)   For instance, I rememeber hearing Al Jardine say that Carl was against the 1993 acoustic tour because he thought Al, Mike and himself weren't good enough to pull those songs off anymore.  Al said that at the time he disagreed with Carl, but that when he later teamed with his kids and Carnie and Wendy, heard all of the young voices singing the songs, he realized Carl was right. (I believe this was from an ESQ interview). I am still not sure I agree with either of them, to me when Carl, Al, Brian and Mike sing together it is the sound of Heaven. But, if Carl simply did not think his group could sing well enough anymore to pull off the more challenging material, I think we have to defer to his judgment and just think about what could have been.
1472  Smiley Smile Stuff / Polls / Re: Favourite BB? on: March 14, 2007, 03:37:54 PM
Well, the category is FAVORITE, not most important or valauble. So, with that in mind:

1) Carl.  Best voive I have ever heard. Period. After meeting all of the guys (save Dennis) several times, Carl was consistently friendly, jovial, genuine.     Pure class act.

2). Al. Great singer, underrated in the band's history. Interseting to talk to.

3). Brian. Not much more to say.

4). Mike. can't diminish his lyrical importance to Brian's compositions; undeniable presence in the band which is both vastly important and at the same time nauseating.

5) Bruce. Everything I said about Carl?  Reverse it for Bruce.
1473  Smiley Smile Stuff / 1990's Beach Boys Albums / Re: Stars And Stripes Volume I on: March 13, 2007, 05:11:05 PM
sad album, but not why you think. Makes me so sad to ALMOST hear what these guys could still sound like together in the studio in 1995.  The BGV's (esp Warmth of the Sun, Caroline, No & Don't Worry Baby) are unbelievable, if you can get past all of the lead vocals.  Again, what could have been...
1474  Smiley Smile Stuff / 1990's Beach Boys Albums / Re: Summer In Paradise on: March 13, 2007, 05:04:39 PM
In addition, the Euro Under the Boardwalk features the Al Jardine bridge, not present on the US version.  island Fever was completely remade, adding a jardine vocal to the chorus. Also, for whatever reason Carl was erased  from the bgv's on the verse (replaced by Christian Love?) while rerecording a different vocal (from the original US release) for the chorus. Makes no sense.
1475  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Carl's last live peformance on: March 09, 2007, 04:29:20 PM
The GOK version uploaded by Bosaroo earlier in this thread is actually from either August 3 or 4 '97 at the Glen Helen Blockbuster Pavilion just outside Los Angeles.  I know because I was at that show, last time I saw the Boys.  I recognize it only due to Carl's intro of his doctors who were there that night at the show. Carl was treating in LA at the time. I saw and spoke very briefly with Carl that night before the show and can confirm he was in very bad shape. He sat through the entire concert except for the opening Calif. Girls  and God Only Knows. Thanks for the upload, it brought back memories.
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