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1  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson - 2021/2022 Tour Thread on: October 07, 2021, 02:42:18 PM
Is that Rob Bonfligio or someone else, standing in Nicky Wonder's place?

Sure looks like Rob

2  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: 60th Anniversary Tour on: October 07, 2021, 01:13:14 PM
Both Brian and Mike have their own shows booked through much of 2022, so there's certainly no way something on the magnitude of 2012's C50 could happen next year, at least not in the Spring/Summer.

Considering the timing, and the stuff they already have booked, and the way 2012 went down, I'd also guess a larger tour is unlikely.

I think they'd treat the 60th as more of a semi-hands-off multi-media project than an album/tour "reunion" cycle. Maybe that documentary Iconic has talked about, and a one-shot show (or short string of shows culled for a single airing/release). And *possibly* a new album? Not sure if they have the motivation and time to do another new album, especially if it's *not* leading up to a full tour.

Really though, how much time and effort went into the recording of TWGMTR by the actual principals?  Obviously, Brian (and maybe Mike to a lesser extent) would have to write material, but I'm not sure that the five Beach Boys were involved in more than just a handful of recording sessions.
3  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys lineup in Cleveland - June 1, 1991 on: September 29, 2021, 05:26:54 PM
Wow, the guyís not pulling any punches. Shocked at his candor. Not surprised by his anecdotes, but still shocked he apparently didnít sign the same NDA all of the others did
4  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys lineup in Cleveland - June 1, 1991 on: September 29, 2021, 08:44:10 AM
Hard to believe Carl didn't do either "Darlin'" or "I Can Hear Music". But he did sing the lead on their cover of "Dancin' In The Street".

Good catch. He tended to rotate the 2 from year to year in the 90's (along with either his all black or all white stage uniform). 91 was a Darlin' year
5  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys lineup in Cleveland - June 1, 1991 on: September 28, 2021, 02:12:18 PM
Hi all, my first time seeing the Beach Boys was 30 years ago at Cleveland Municipal Stadium after an Indians baseball game (June 1, 1991). I was about to turn 12. I've always wondered what the lineup for this concert was. I know Carl, Mike, Bruce and Al were there. I assume Brian wasn't there, but I was trying to confirm that.

From what I've been able to find, the backing band would have included:
-Adrian Baker
-Richie Cannata
-Ed Carter
-Billy Hinche
-Matt Jardine
-Mike Kowalski
-Mike Meros

Did I miss anyone?

According to, they played the following:
-California Girls
-You're So Good to Me
-Then I Kissed Her
-Please Let Me Wonder
-Be True to Your School
-Don't Worry Baby
-Dancing in the Street
-Dance, Dance, Dance
-Do You Wanna Dance?
-Rock and Roll Music
-Surfer Girl
-Still Cruisin'
-Little Deuce Coupe
-The Little Old Lady From Pasadena
-Shut Down
-I Get Around
-In My Room
-God Only Knows
-Sloop John B
-Wouldn't It Be Nice
-Good Vibrations
-Help Me, Rhonda
-Barbara Ann
-Fun, Fun, Fun

-Wipe Out
-Surfin' Safari
-Surf City
-Surfin' U.S.A.

Thank you for any input!

Probably played Do It Again somewhere near the opening
6  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Surf's Up: A Beach Boys Podcast Safari - on: September 18, 2021, 12:02:55 PM
Excellent listen. Thanks for posting
7  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: It's about time - The Forgotten Song That Made The Beach Boys Cool Again on: August 30, 2021, 08:17:29 PM
With the release of "Feel Flows" I thought now would be as good a time as any to bring this article up again, in case someone hasn't read it.
Thanks, I hadnít seen it before now
8  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike Love and Carl's last tour on: August 02, 2021, 08:01:12 AM
Anyone know the approximate date of the letter?  Whether it dates from May or August 1997 could tell a lot about its intentions...
9  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Uncut - September 2021 - Brian Wilson on: July 29, 2021, 03:18:04 PM
eh, I was hoping Lindsey Buckingham
10  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Billy Hinsche being asked to replace Bruce in 1969 on: July 13, 2021, 02:15:52 PM
If Bruce had been replaced by Billy in 1969, Sunflower would have been a quite different album.
Billy seems like such an all-around nice guy perhaps he would have been a good influence on everyone and reduced a lot of the intra-band strife of the '70s.  Or not. Who knows?

Bruce's role in the group is, was and always has been odd.  Bruce though considered a de facto "Beach Boy" since he joined has never, AFAIK, been a corporate member of "The Beach Boys."  Mike Love's book has a charming anecdote about how Carl was paying Bruce on a per-show basis in the early days, based a figure that Bruce requested (the punch line was something along the lines that Bruce meant $/per week or month but Carl thought he meant $/per show).  In effect, Bruce was always a hired hand in the Wilson-Love-Jardine business.    And, yet, starting with Summer Days, there's Bruce singing (and occasionally playing) on their albums.  And not just in a don't-blink-or-you-might-miss-him way.  Bruce's voice is clear as a bell on California Girls, God Only Knows, original Wonderful etc.  How was he paid for that, if at all?  I don't think I've ever seen a good explanation on that issue.  He wasn't getting a cut of the Capitol royalties like the rest of them as he wasn't part of that contract.  Did he get a separate Capitol contract? When they reorganized as Brother Records, Inc, in January 1967, it was a 5-way equal-shares partnership of the Wilsons, Love & Jardine.  They could have cut Bruce in at that point but didn't.  When they moved to Warner-Reprise, was he formally part of that deal?  His prominent role on Sunflower would suggest that maybe he was, but wasn't the deal between Brother and the label?   Of course, Bruce would still have been getting publishing royalties for the songs that he authored regardless of the fact that he wasn't a corporate member of The Beach Boys.  It's strange for him to have been a "hired hand" on and off now for 56 years.

I've always heard/read that Bruce previously sold his shares in BRI...
11  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Oh god on: June 16, 2021, 11:01:18 AM
In 1993, when I was 14- I sent all of the Beach Boys fan letters, and Carl was the only one to respond. He sent me this:

Very cool.
12  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson: Long Promised Road (2019 Brent Wilson Documentary) on: June 16, 2021, 08:27:31 AM
Finally....A clip! 👍

Looks good to me. Can't wait.
13  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Carl and Dennis funerals on: June 14, 2021, 03:33:28 PM
Regarding Denny's funeral, People magazine did a write-up in 1984..

At a 30-minute funeral service at an Inglewood, Calif. cemetery chapel three days after the drowning were his mother, Audree, the band members and close associates. And the women and children: Shawn, with whom Dennis had lived for almost three years; first wife Carol Freedman, 37, her son, Scott, 21, from a prior marriage, and her 16-year-old daughter, Jennifer, Dennis' oldest child; second wife Barbara Charren, 38, and their sons, Carl and Michael, 12 and 11; and Karen Lamm, who was married twice to Dennis during the late '70s.

By several accounts, the family was bitterly divided over the funeral and plans to bury Dennis at sea. The clan reportedly split into two factions, those allied with the Wilson family and those who fell into the Shawn Love Wilson camp, reflecting long-simmering rivalries within the Beach Boys themselves. At a family funeral conference, ex-wife Lamm reports, "I suggested playing Farewell My Friend [Dennis' 1977 song]. I also said I wanted to read a passage from Corinthians about unconditional love, which is what Dennis was all about. Shawn said, 'You can't read it.' She's not the nicest girl." Shawn and Jennifer wound up reading the text, and, with the backing of her mother, Shannon Jones, Shawn also had her way about the burial. Reportedly, when Dennis' brother Carl flew in from Colorado, he made plans to have Dennis buried in Inglewood Cemetery next to their father, Murray, who died in 1973. Shawn vetoed that plan, claiming that Dennis had told her he wanted to be buried at sea. Since the coroner would release the body only to Dennis' wife, the family had no choice but to accede to Shawn's demand.

I remember that Brian sided with Carl in opposing Shawn's burial-at-sea idea.  IIRC, Brian was still expressing unhappiness about it in an interview ~20 years later.

I believe it was the  Steven Gaines book that stated Shawn wanted "Every Breath You Take" played at the funeral and that it was Carl's suggestion that "Farewell My Friend" be played instead and that the family had a meeting about the funeral for which Carl had arranged a limo to pick up Shawn. At the meeting "Farewell My Friend" was played and everybody broke down.
14  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Adam Jardine on: May 12, 2021, 08:31:15 AM
The same goes for Matt, out of his way nice
15  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: on: May 10, 2021, 08:10:23 AM
Not a bad interview but they both look a little silly wearing the same clothes and those ridiculous sunglasses.

Say what you want about Brian, but Carl with beard and sunglasses rocks!

16  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Dennisí contributions to L.A. on: April 27, 2021, 05:08:36 PM
I can tell you that the falsetto on California Dreaminí isnít Bruce. Thatís all though. Iím listening to it right now and I have no idea.
Once again, it's really important to specify which exact vocal one is talking about when trying to determine its singer - "the falsetto" will never accurately describe one part of a beach boys song, and definitely doesn't narrow it down on California Dreamin'. There are many many backing parts, lots of which are high. Which part are you looking for? Could you transcribe it?

The high part I was talking about was the near the end (though I think that same singer is probably doing the high part earlier in the song), near the "playout" section of whatever on wants to call it, the "on such a winter's daaaaayyyyyy" part, where it's a single voice (though I can't rule out that it's doubled I suppose without hearing the multis).

I was singling out that particular case because it's from a weird time where we don't have many studio recordings (certainly *released*) recordings, from late 1982, and it comes from a transition period in the live (and studio) band where Carl had returned, and Carl and Al were still doing some high parts, and where Brian was coming and going *just* prior to hooking back up with Landy, Bruce had been back for a few years, and also both Adrian Baker *and* Jeff Foskett were in the BB sphere at that time as well.

In some other cases where a particular source of a voicing isn't clear, we can narrow it down more by way of who could have possibly been in the studio. In 1982, the band was only sporadically tripping into the studio for rando sessions, and the touring band was in flux as well, and it was during a period where a Baker or Foskett may or may not have been invited to a studio session. On any given day in 1982, Brian and Dennis may or may not have been with the band.

Combine all of that with a high part in a song that is a relatively non-descript, from an era where BB group vocals started getting processed more on recordings and vocals could sometimes be less distinct and a bit more homogeneous in sound. It's an interesting, though somewhat inconsequential, bit of trivia.

YES--I have always wondered who that was.  Does not sound like Baker.  Sorry, but sounds too good to be him.  Sounds like Foskett, or even a 1985 or 86 Brian (like a Getcha Back Brian).  We know Al went back and recorded his lead later--could Brian have gone back and recorded a backing high vocal in 1986?
17  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Why Do Carl and Dennis Always Wear Beach Boys T-shirts? on: April 27, 2021, 02:06:35 PM
Can't recall ever seeing Carl wear anything Beach Boys related except their short live HOBO line at the 86 Super Bowl and during the 25th anniversary broadcast
18  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / "New" Brian and Carl Interview on: April 27, 2021, 01:47:51 PM
Brief, but I've never seen this before.  the comments from youtube indicate the interview was in connection with the "Forrest Gump" soundtrack, which would explain Carl's Viet Nam comments and the park bench. The brothers discussing Sloop John B.

19  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys bought on: February 18, 2021, 07:50:49 PM
Also, apparently Melinda has forgiven and forgotten, huh?

I was just about to mention this. I guess money and good ideas talk...
20  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys bought on: February 18, 2021, 12:42:17 PM
Not saying itís related, and never really gave it a second thought until reading this thread, but many of M&B upcoming shows are down as ĎMike Love and Bruce Johnstonís Beach Boysí. Not all, but many.

Ticketmaster still has The Beach Boys though.

That is a pretty major change. Let me rephrase that: a MAJOR change in protocol for billing these shows. The whole ball of wax up to now was billing these shows as simply "The Beach Boys", now that has changed.

Consider just how unrelated that really is when a major part of this deal announced publicly today involved branding and marketing the band and its name. If it truly is unrelated, the timing of it sure falls into place...

If I were a consumer who, let's say a year ago, purchased a ticket to see "The Beach Boys" for the exact same lineup as what will now possibly be billed as "Mike Love and Bruce Johnstonís Beach Boys", I guess I'd feel a little cheated. That's assuming that anyone in that scenario would care enough, but it's sort of like Mike FINALLY revealing (grudgingly or not) that his version of the band is not (and by logic, was in reality not, for most of 1998 to present) actually "The Beach Boys".

I'm sure there has to have been recent boardroom discussion of what constitutes brand confusion, and how this M&B "BBs" branding contributed to the decay and falling from Mount Rushmore, so to speak.

I half-jokingly wonder if people who purchased tickets to see "The Beach Boys" and only got the bait-and-swtich version of "Mike Love and Bruce Johnstonís Beach Boys" will be wanting any recourse if anyone retroactively feels cheated considering that only many years later finally truth in advertising may be happening.

I mean, I know that the BRI voters collectively allowed that brand name thing to happen for so long, I do have to wonder if they regret it at this point. I do hope this leads to the devaluing to correct course, but man it's such a self-inflicted wound and I can't fault the public if they have a WTF reaction, although few fans except us nerds may care enough to have such a reaction.

They were being billed as "Mike Love and Bruce Johnston's Beach Boys" at least as early as the scheduled July 4, 2020  show at the Hollywood Bowl
21  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Stereogum: ''Mike Loveís Beach Boys played for a packed, mask-less crowd' on: January 03, 2021, 04:57:33 PM
Why is nobody piling on Dean Torrence? Why does he get a free pass?
22  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike promoting 'The Beach Boys' at The Casino Entertainment Awards 2020! on: October 20, 2020, 03:15:57 PM
I think Pepe Aguilar has a good shot at taking this....
23  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Bruce adjusting his microphone (stand) on: October 02, 2020, 10:56:08 AM
From the same concert, here is the patented loop de loop mic adjustment:

Warning: professional mic adjuster on closed course.  Do not attempt this at home.
24  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Carl on Stars and Stripes on: September 08, 2020, 02:49:17 PM
Let's just pause for a moment and think about how the distance in time between Stars & Stripes and now is the same as Pet Sounds to "Problem Child".

You just blew my mind, Sir
25  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Carl on Stars and Stripes on: September 07, 2020, 10:25:01 AM
Rocker, you could be right on both notes. I think Brian doubles Matt on some high parts in "You're Still A Mystery", recorded the previous year.
Always believed that was Carl and Matt
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