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76  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The songs that saved the album.. on: June 04, 2015, 11:20:35 AM
I agree, the first 5 cuts on MIU and pitter patter are fun, LA is weak, but dennis' bambu tracks are good, I just dont get why anyone would deny it was a hodgepodge collection.

I do agree with you that the Beach Boys golden age is 62-73, but some of those albums are hodgepodges too (Little Deuce Coupe, Smiley Smile, 20/20, Surf's Up (the title track was four years old)). 

And The Beach Boys aren't the only band who does that.  The Beatles went back to their early days several times.  Just recently, Van Halen's comeback album A Different Kind of Truth from 2012, included a song or two that dated back to 1977. 

So, it seems a little unfair to discount an album just because all of the songs were written and/or recording during a specific time period. 
Thats true huh, little deuce coupe was four rereleased tracks and a couple rewrites brian did along with half a new album, 20/20 compiling recent singles and outtakes. But after holland they were literally taking old songs, outtakes and solo cuts and caribou/columbia was promoting LA & KTSA as "new" albums.
77  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The songs that saved the album.. on: June 04, 2015, 01:07:06 AM
I agree, the first 5 cuts on MIU and pitter patter are fun, LA is weak, but dennis' bambu tracks are good, I just dont get why anyone would deny it was a hodgepodge collection.
78  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The songs that saved the album.. on: June 03, 2015, 10:48:07 PM
Save your breath arguing with the guy. If it ain't the first decade of BB albums, the Ramones or some other shitty surf punk band nobody cares about he isn't interested.
yep you pigeonholed the kook...cant argue w someone that says it like it is, gotta jus follow the asinine bs like the majority and stick w blissful ignorance ;-)
79  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The songs that saved the album.. on: June 02, 2015, 11:43:31 PM
Thr beach boys themselves knew that 15bO, MIU, LA and KTSA were weak albums that were done for the sake of contractual obligation w no heart whatsoever; theyre not collectable and historically have no value to anyone other than collection completists.
80  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The songs that saved the album.. on: June 02, 2015, 09:45:44 PM
I really think that Getcha Back kept The Beach Boys 1985 album from sinking like a stone.  It was, IMO, the best track on the album by far, and a minor hit on MTV.  I think the rest of the material on the album is OK, but no real hit potential. 
It's Gettin' Late hit the Top 20 on the AC chart. By 1985 the AC chart was fairly important to those us who were hitting the 30 mark around that time. I know that's when music started changing for me and I started to pay more attention to it.
yeah the BBs being on the AC chart was/is a bummer for sure. The chart for muzak.
81  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Anyone notice this irony? on: June 01, 2015, 12:30:04 PM
Ok irony wasnt the best word but does anyone get what I mean?
82  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The songs that saved the album.. on: June 01, 2015, 12:27:48 PM
Its like some agree Holland was the last real lp others count the compilations of outtakes and recycled tracks. 
83  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Anyone notice this irony? on: May 31, 2015, 03:09:38 AM
Sloop john.b on pet sounds, good time & ding dang on love you making those 2 albums the ONLY BBs albums to have over 12 cuts? (Not counting 15bO)...and those songs being recorded a year(s) prior...AND those being the 2 BBs albuma thatre practically BW solo...
84  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The songs that saved the album.. on: May 31, 2015, 03:04:33 AM
The weaker BBs albums all have a song or two that SAVE the album from being a waste. First of all to everyone who thinks MIU is so bad, side A has 5 upbeat cuts and pitter patter on the flipside, so all in all six rockin.tunes, and six flops; the Light album has shortenin bread thaf saves it from.being adult contemporary diluted fluff...and lastly Keepin the summer alive has the title song, Some of your love and the rendition of School day..so as Ive stated previously- the Beach Boys were and are a rock band but those late 70s albums are ONLY meaningful to us hardcore fans, they didnt have hit singles, they didnt mean anything to that era historically BUT they had a song or two that kept em afloat, get what Im sayin??

MIU and KTSA are steaming piles of sh*t with a handful of decent songs apiece. LA is better, but it contains a fair bit of crap. Ditto 85. The fact that the tunes may be rocking doesn't mean a thing if they're lousy. I am a hardcore fan, but I prefer not to look the other way or attempt to justify some disappointing songs and choices. Imagine some of that crap from MIU had it turned up on Sunflower, Holland or Friends...
on.the.nose. post Holland BBs albums very subpar...sept love you (aka BRIAN loveS you)
85  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The songs that saved the album.. on: May 31, 2015, 02:27:24 AM
Well its not an opinion, Light Album was a mix of a godawful disco remake, 2 dennis solo cuts, 3 carl solo cuts, a mike solo outtake, al's take on bach,  a four yr old brian cut and then shortenin bread, the only rockin number on the lp... and likewise w KTSA , when you take away the title track and the rendition of school day its boring MOR/AOR. Their output

on cbs was so obviously thrown together obligationary mediocrity.
86  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The songs that saved the album.. on: May 30, 2015, 05:16:25 PM
Yeah dennis' songs were great but they were supposed to be on the 2nd lp that didn't come out. And shortenin bread was the ONLY rockin cut, without it LA was jus so soft and uncharacteristic.
87  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / The songs that saved the album.. on: May 30, 2015, 04:00:51 PM
The weaker BBs albums all have a song or two that SAVE the album from being a waste. First of all to everyone who thinks MIU is so bad, side A has 5 upbeat cuts and pitter patter on the flipside, so all in all six rockin.tunes, and six flops; the Light album has shortenin bread thaf saves it from.being adult contemporary diluted fluff...and lastly Keepin the summer alive has the title song, Some of your love and the rendition of School day..so as Ive stated previously- the Beach Boys were and are a rock band but those late 70s albums are ONLY meaningful to us hardcore fans, they didnt have hit singles, they didnt mean anything to that era historically BUT they had a song or two that kept em afloat, get what Im sayin??
88  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions on: May 27, 2015, 08:02:17 PM
I don't recall Dennis' vocals being the problem with 15 BO.  Brian's were a problem, with a bunch of weakly produced tracks.  After Endless Summer and Spirit of America, the fans were looking for something great and they got a medicore record.
that was the 70s...mainstream rock post-1967 is beyond tacky and tawdry.

In my above post, I was specifically referring to Dennis' lead vocal on "In The Still Of The Night". I think as a song selection, "In The Still Of The Night" was acceptable. And, I think Brian did a great arrangement of the song. But, hey, I love Dennis' vocal work on POB and some other BB ballads, but "In The Still Of The Night" was a misstep. I think you have to really, really, really like Dennis to appreciate that vocal.

Coming off Endless Summer/Spirit Of America, I think most fans, whether casual or diehard, were expecting the good ol' Beach Boys' vocals. I lived through it and I played 15 Big Ones for family, friends, co-workers, and casual Beach Boys' fans. Their reactions included, "THAT'S the Beach Boys?" and "THAT'S Brian Wilson?" and for Dennis' lead, "WHO is singing THAT?" The reactions included wincing, maybe shaking of the head, maybe a confused kind of look.

Hell, just show anyone the cover. It's like sleaze and mildew and the shallow charms of a sociopath all embodied in one grotesque image. The very definition of tacky and ew.
89  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions on: May 25, 2015, 10:55:12 PM
My unpopular opinions:

1. Endless Summer gave the group a career that otherwise would have dwindled down by the late 70's.
2. Said album was nearly perfect.
3. Kokomo was and is a fantastic hit single.
4. If SMiLE was canceled because of "Mikes additude", than Brian was a wimp.
5. Most everything after Good Vibrations was mediocure, except for about a dozen tracks.
6. Brian can't hit any notes correctly.
7. Stan Love was a good guy.
8. Dennis Wilson was an out of control maniac who wasn't a good guy.
9. Carl Wilson was an a-hole to Brian for many years.
10. Brians melodys without lyrics from Usher/Love/Christiansen would have been largely unheard.

Almost everything after Good Vibrations is mediocre, but Kokomo is fantastic. Lord help us.
yer joking rt? You telling us that smiley smile, wild honey, and sunflower are mediocre?Huh Those are not only phenomenal but there wasn't a SINGLE other artist/band that was making better music in the late 60s/early 70s; sure CCR was at their peak in 69/70 and three dog night and the shondells were great but NO ONE cranked out killer record after another like the BBs, and anyone knows that!
90  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions on: May 24, 2015, 08:02:48 PM
The beach boys were/are a rock band, the Light album minus shortenin bread & Ktsa minus the title song and school days are watered down mediocrity, I mean come on! At least MIU has some rockers; no brian.on the ligh album, no dennis on.ktsa...think about it, it was a "light" album as in light fluff, and ktsa geeze. The beach boys were masters of THE album from 63 to 73 then.after that it was all bout the touring and the preservation of nostalgia.
91  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions on: May 24, 2015, 07:54:46 PM
If the BBs weren't album artists than neither were the beatles or anyone else, so what does that mean???
92  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Drugs/alcohol consumption at BB shows on: May 24, 2015, 04:14:48 PM
In terms of disrespect, I'm not sure I buy that for a BW gig. It obviously depends on your view on drugs in general....some of BW (arguably all!) best work was directly influenced by drugs and the experiences that they gave him. He's spoken at length about seeing notes in the air and writing them down to become a song. In my personal experience I have had great connections with his songs when under the influence of drugs. It's a case of each to their own, and I would never criticize anyone for not wanting to go down that route but equally respect should be shown to those who do. 
I feel sorry for people thatre ignorant to be against drugs. It all depends on what it is, how much ya take and how you administer it. And it is true that brian was usin something or other during all his best eras of music making.
93  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions on: May 24, 2015, 04:09:14 PM
I actually prefer Alex's rough voice over his later Roger McGuinn impressions.
It's not so much "rough", tho, more like a teen boy trying to sound gritty on purpose. but either way, it sounds bad.

After finding a fairly nice copy of it while record shopping this past weekend in Memphis and giving it a couple of listens, M.I.U. isn't a bad album.  It's not Today or Pet Sounds, but it's not bad at all.  I like it better overall than 15 Big Ones, which I also picked up last weekend.
You & us plenty! If you look around,  there are more MIU fans than LA.
side 1 of MIU ans pitter patter is good rockNroll, add shortenin bread then it overpowers the Light album all the way...shortenin bread is the ONLY rockin.tune on L.A. and I dont get how anyone no matter how big the BB fan could think its even a half good lp, same w ktsa...one or two rockin tunes and the rest MOR-AOR cmon.
94  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: You have 10 Albums….. on: May 22, 2015, 08:48:52 PM
As a BBs zealot I sold my LPs of 15big ones, MIU, Light album and KTSA. Theyre thrown together collections of outtakes and rewrites...nowhere on the same level as their 63-73 output, those were perfect albums, esp-surfer girl-all summer long-today-summer days-pet sounds-wild honey and sunflower. Lil deuce coupe, shut down vol2 and 20/20 were/are killer too.
95  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Most overrated BB's Album, and Most underrated BB's Album on: May 21, 2015, 01:47:25 AM
When calling any 60s BBs album overrated keep in mind no one else was making better albums, there were groups that were good but the BBs were the cream of the crop for a solid decade thru 72.
96  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: England Loves Al! on: May 21, 2015, 01:38:31 AM
In the late 60s/early 70s england music consumers were into good rock while america turned a deaf ear to it, hence the BBs selling alot there at that time and not here.
97  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Surfin' USA isnt a total ripoff of Sweet little 16 on: May 21, 2015, 01:32:32 AM
  Yes and No. "Sweet Little Sixteen" is obviously the template for "Surfin' USA", but when The Beach Boys were done they'd created a signature song that is uniquely their own, thus continuing the longstanding folk tradition of borrowing from others to make something new.

  I'm not sure Chuck Berry himself had anything to do with the lawsuit - when the record came out, he was in prison, where he remained until late 1963.

 The Beach Boys, The Beatles, and The Rolling Stones can all count Chuck Berry as a primary source, probably the primary source. Where would any of them be without Chuck Berry?
thats what I mean but according to doe Im just nonsense because of my grammar etc.
98  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Surfin' USA isnt a total ripoff of Sweet little 16 on: May 19, 2015, 06:19:17 PM
Because its almost identical in the versus but not the chorus. The BBs borrowed alot from Chuck but no more than the beatles or stones, the beatles first albums (introducing/please please me & for sale/vi_65) were half covers and the RSs didnt have an orig lp til aftermath in 66..
99  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: What Surf's Up should of been.. on: May 19, 2015, 03:23:41 PM
Regarding alternate track lists for albums... I get the idea of compiling them.  What I don't get is the exercise of removing tracks featured on those albums.  Weaknesses on Beach Boys albums from the 70s, to me, are due to what's missing, not what was included.  Albums like Surf's Up, Carl & The Passions, Holland, LA Light and Keepin' the Summer Alive benefit greatly from the addition of tracks recorded during those sessions but not included.  In particular, since first hearing LA and KTSA at the time of release, my reaction was, "Nice, but where's the rest of it?"

As for the record in question, the addition of 4th of July and WIBNTLA to Surf's Up turn it from a very good album into a great one.  But I can't think of a single track I'd remove.  They're all gems in their own way. 
sunflower, surfs up and holland were/are solid albums, every album after minus love you is just weak and collections of older cuts and outtakes, thats why I reiterate that holland was their last real lp and love you a BW solo. But I do agree surfs up coulda used two more tracks.
100  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: What Surf's Up should of been.. on: May 19, 2015, 02:14:00 AM
I'm one of the few people who think Brian was at his songwriting peak in the early 70s (quality wise, not quantity) and ADITLOAT was no exception. And Disney Girls was Bruce's finest moment.
hard to pick such a short time frame like that ,but wouldn't we all agree brian was consistent all throughout the 60s and then again in 76 and it pretty much ended in 77? I say he came into his own in 63, peaked in 66, went strong thru 69 and then was stagnant for most of the 70s til love you/adult child and when he came back as a solo artist in the late 80s landy was sorta pushing him. But as far as surfs up goes it was a good lp but not as much as sunflower, and it boggles my mind how well surfs up did but sunflower bombed in the US, I blame warners for not marketing it properly.
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