come go w me, peggy sue, my diane & tomboy all orig recorded in 76, some polishing possibly done at MIU but I have the book w the session listings.

Jason Penick THANK YOU!!!! Someone that gets what I was getting at. Very well put.

So...if you call Do it again their "last" hit of the 60s and with 20/20 the correlative album when you look out how solid their output was with every record and then follows three albums all different from what preceded with sunflower ,surfs up and holland. But sunflower was mostly recorded in 69 so it could technically be the last BBs of the decade.

Even though the Beatles ended in 69 they were done as an actual band in aug.66, from then on they remained a studio group for the remainder of those 3 years. And I think it was very humble of the BBs to do simple primitive lp's like friends & 20/20 instead of a goshdarn excessive double lp like the white album.

How would it have been anything other than the American? Ive heard of some ignorant types saying the ONLY beatles albums that count were the UK ones but wouldn't that be disregarding history? I mean in the 5 years the beatles existed from their American debut thats what gave them their superstardom, George Martin transforming them into a presentable combo. And arguable or not those 3 albums (meet, rubber soul & revolver) was their peak output.

And sweetdudejim Im talkin about rockNroll not acid rock and arena rock..the who and stones peaked the same time as the BBs: 66.

So they were simultaneously on warners and columbia in the fall of 77, had an album due soon to honor the new deal but then realized wb expected one more as well? They go to MIU and the xmas album is rejected so they took the four cuts from the 15bO sessions, reword the xmas songs and the MIU album was the end result? I still have no idea why the light album would get any more credit and why Our team wasnt included in place of say tomboy, wontcha come out tonight or winds of change. .

To put it in more, refined terms, I guess, why do you guys think and/or what do you think caused the music culture in Europe to be more conducive to the Beach Boys success in the late 60's - moreso, when compared to the to sales in the United States during the same time period? I personally feel that marketing/promotional differences are probably the most responsible and likely factor to cause such a disparity between how each continent reacted and received their music. Stil, open to other possibilities, so I would like to hear what your guys opinions/ideas on what could cause such different attitudes towards the band and their sales/overal popularity; they were far more successful across Europe in the late 60's than they were in the late 60's in the US.


Was it a difference in marketing? Culture? Possibly affected by politics at the time in each area? Any input is appreciated, curious to hear all points of view. Thanks.

The Beach Boys were doing so well overseas with album sales in the late 60s but unfortunately capitol screwed them in the US and yet in 1970 they come out with Sunflower and it sold so poorly...I like Surfs Up but I think Sunflower has better harmonies and some solid cuts so what happened? The marketing crew at EMI must've been doin something right that they couldn't get right in America... it just seems to be that the US just turned a deaf ear to rock music at that time with the exception of CCR and a few others. And correct me if I'm wrong but the BBs did Cotton Fields a year prior to CCR..ps- willy & the poorboys and cosmos factory were their cream of the crop...but the BBs were rockin just as strong with 20/20 and sunflower.

Yeah I did read carl was there for a small session...dennis recorded my diane a year earlier either during 15bO or LY...and peggy sue/come go w me/tomboy same story... winds of change I think might have dated back to then as well..

Where/when was Sweet Sunday kinda love recorded?

Yep. Definitely THE last legitimate BBs album and not a hastily thrown together soulless product like the 3 albums that followed.

Well...its pretty written in countless Beach Boys books and articles that Love You was intended to be "Brian loves you" and righ before its release  the group signed with Columbia and due to the group being signed as a group and not solo artists they were obligated to have the BB name on it. And Im very aware that Brian wasn't the only singer on the album, Im also aware that the rehashed tracks on MIU were polished during the sessions in late 77. Its so easy for people to contradict something just because they haven't said it first. Just because I dont quote something word for word doesn't mean it cant be slightly rephrased if its essentially the same.

I dont literally think every BB album after holland is crap but its widely agreed that they were weak. And there were earlier albums that weren't thar strong either like friends...but so tough without marcella is undeniably weak any by no means essential. Its not a crucial collectible like all summer long-summer days-pet sounds-wild honey etc. Is that a better clarification?

Just saw it. I cried the whole time. Greatest film ever.

And four of the cuts on MIU were recorded a year earlier than the others- peggy sue, come go w me, my diane and tomboy, all 76.

Yes KDS I was saying that but ''mikebeard' doesn't agree that love you was brians album w the BB name attached to it w their minor contribution and other random parts he highlighted maybe because of how it was phrased cuz there's nothing incorrect about the synopsis, maybe just a misconstrued.

I think Lee is right that Carl and the Passions was one of the original possible ideas for the name of the group before they decided on The Pendletones.   

I do agree that, at least for the first two or three songs, the album doesn't really sound like The Beach Boys.  I think Marcella is the first BB sounding track on that album. 

I think Blondie and Ricky blended more with the group on Holland. 

Really only three songs that have the trademark harmonies; Marcella, All This Is That and Cuddle Up. I guess you could add He Come Down too. Personally, I liked that it was different. I liked that all four early 70's albums sounded different from each other. That they pushed themselves and tried new things to move themselves forward. It was great time to be a fan and see them progress as a band.

No doubt.  I agree 100%.  I don't think it's a bad album at all.  It's probably my least favorite of the four from the early 70s.  But still better than each album they released in the late 70s. 

And I should note one of my favorite tracks from this era is Leaving This Town, which sounds nothing like The Beach Boys. 

yeah definitely not an important/essential album by any means.

What is it thats incorrect that you dont concur w?

made an account quick, its

Surfin Safari
Surfin USA
Surfer Girl
Little Deuce Coupe
Shut Down Vol II
All Summer Long
Today
Summer Days
Party
Pet Sounds
Smiley Smile
Sunflower
Surf's Up
Holland

btw any idea on when these are coming out / price / individually or in a set?

Id take out Party and replace it w Wild Honey, party doesn't need a rerelease.

Well "never learn not to love" was the only track dennis took from manson that was recorded by the BBs as far as I know...and being that the album was a hodgepodge it reflected their singles and outtakes in late 68..I prefer it over Friends.

Would Carl and the passions-So tough be considered an alias/pseudonym or side project album ? Esp since it sounds nothing like the BBs and no album before or after.. the double LP with Pet Sounds doesn't even say beach boys on it..

Since sunflower was recorded in 69 would songs from surfs up be considered their first output from the 70s? And other than surfs up til I die and take a load off your ft the rest of the album was recorded in 70 rt?

Surfing: surfer girl. Car: car crazy cutie. Love: kiss me baby. 70s: california saga/california. Harmonies: too many to narrow down. And for 70s I wanted to say Til I die but I think it was recorded in 69 but came out in 71..

What Im getting at is that the Beach Boys were pretty done album-wise as a band. From 73 onward it was all bout touring: 15bO was sort of a fluke riding the coattails of Endless summer being that their output of their early years was what was selling, and their renditions of old tunes as well. 76/7 was literally their last era of productiveness in the studio being that from the beginning of 76 to the end off 77 they recorded 4,5 albums (15bO, love you, adult child, 2nd xmas lp and MIU). With 15 being covers&outtakes, love you Brian's solo piece and MIU old cuts and rewrites of the xmas songs.. LA had good timin which was 4 yrs old at the time they were putting it together and the disco remake of HCTN is just horrendous. And my orig statement bout Shortenin bread was referring to it being the ONLY rockin cut on LA. I understand that the group recycled songs on earlier LPs but after Holland its like they were fresh out of anything new; and being that Brian contributed nothing new to LA and his "new" material on KTSA was rehashed from older songs. Its been stated repeatedly that Brian was pretty much over it and that their albums in the late 70s had no heart/soul. I mean seriously "IF" the BBs never put out a new album after Holland and just stuck to touring and maybe just the singles (rockNroll music, peggy sue, good timin, goin on) theyd still have the same impact; even w Komomo, it was on Still cruisin but that wasnt a proper album either.