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1  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: \ on: April 28, 2021, 03:14:10 PM
-Ostinato, I've never heard that before!

-Van Dyke told me.

-Pfew!
2  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys Fantasy Sample Library on: April 08, 2021, 06:01:41 PM
There are VSTs for Moogs and Arps, so you can get those farty bass sounds and string ensembles from the Brian's Back Era. It would be nice to have a preset to emulate the sound Earl Mankey got on those Love You snares, although I'm pretty sure it's easy to emulate if you know your way around processing.
3  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: on: March 25, 2021, 02:21:49 PM
Do most people feel that the genesis of this voice is from the Modern Folk Quartet's "This Could Be The Night" ? I know this is Spector but it still seems a somewhat odd choice.

I always like to quote from this 1992 French interview with Brian:

-You've made yourself famous in the sixties by composing, arranging, producing and singing ...

-(Sneering.) Heh, heh.

-… songs for a vocal group. It was a unique position at the time: to be a composer, producer, arranger and singer all at the same time. Even Phil Spector didn't do all of that.

-He tried.

-Did he try to sing?

-Haven't you heard a record called "This Could Be The Night"? Well, it sounded like he was the one singing. It's a group called The Modern Folk Quartet. There was a guy in the Quartet who had a nasal sound, and Phil Spector made it amazing sound. It was the first time that I had really heard him take care of an ordinary singer.
4  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian's vocal decline - when is it first noticeable to you? on: January 19, 2021, 04:32:50 PM
This is just my opinion and nothing else, but the last couple of years its been very noticeable the decline in Brian's voice.  Up until about 2016 he could hold a note longer and wouldn't do the talk/sing he does now.  Understandably he's pushing 80, but it kind of seemed to happen quickly for Brian.  The times that I saw him live in 2008 (TLOS) 2012 and 2013 his voice was really really strong. 

Yes. My only two were BW shows were in 2017, and he sounded much better on the non-Pet Sounds half.  However, it's clear that Brian's voice has declined in recent years. Although I don't know how much his performances at home from last year are proof of it, since he was clearly out of shape: lack of excercising, rehearsing, touring, etc.

Might have something to do with the fact that between 2016-2019 he was doing Pet Sounds for the "last" time, about a million times...
5  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Let Him Run Wild backing track (Imagination pre-production) on: January 03, 2021, 11:39:53 AM
Thanks to 37!ws for taping that and yes, having watched The Bee Gees' doc, I'll second any negative opinion about Steve Dahl.
6  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Let Him Run Wild backing track (Imagination pre-production) on: January 03, 2021, 11:10:07 AM
You Tube's algorithm was kind enough to show me this clip of Brian and Joe Thomas at Steve Dahl's radio show (1995, or 1996, they mention the Stars and Stripes sessions).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1m3ZiJ07hA

You will hear a snippet of a Brian "demo" for what would end beign the Let Him Run Wild remake on Imagination. Joe Thomas says that they were planning a Brian solo album, and that Brian had recorded this playing "all instruments" and doing all the (background) vocals (and Mike's line at the end of the chorus).

Actually, he's playing all the parts on a sequencer, but I didn't know Brian was so involved in the Imagination arrangements, at least on the earliest stages. It has been said that Brian took care of the vocals and left the instrumental arranging to Thomas.

Has anybody heard the whole "demo" or another ones from this project? (obviously, they are not circulating on the bootleg/P2P/Internet area)
7  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian's vocal decline - when is it first noticeable to you? on: December 29, 2020, 08:05:29 AM
That's amazing! Is this interview on the web somewhere? Would love to read it!

I don't think so. It has been collected on a small book called (wait for it...) "Brian Wilson", by Michka Assayas. It's in French (I have a magazine with an abriged version in Spanish). An epub is out there. Google does a pretty good translation.

Of course, it goes without saying that Brian did "This Could Be The Night" for a Nilsson tribute, a gifted singer who wrecked his voice even more than Brian.
8  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian's vocal decline - when is it first noticeable to you? on: December 28, 2020, 08:27:02 AM
Funny you should mention that. It made me remember a terrfic interview Brian did for a French magazine in 1992, still under the Landy regime (Now it has been converted into a book):

You were  into an unique position at the time: to be a composer, producer, arranger and singer at the same time. Even Phil Spector didn't do all of that.

He tried.

Did he try to sing?

Haven't you heard a record called "This Could Be The Night"? Well, it sounded like he was singing. It's a band called The Modern Folk Quartet. There was a guy in the Quartet who had a nasal sound, and Phil Spector made it amazing sound. It was the first time that I had really heard him take care of an ordinary singer. Instead of Bill Medley or the Ronettes, all those great singers, he tried an average singer, okay? And it works. I have a copy somewhere, I don't know where.
9  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Rare live version of “Soul Searchin”” from 2004 on: November 19, 2020, 05:58:20 PM
Wow! A very spirited vocal, and a smart coda for the live performance. This is a board mix, to say the least.
10  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Why is Gettin' In Over My Head so hard to hear?? on: November 14, 2020, 09:45:20 AM

    Only 2 of the Gettin' In Over My Head tracks are playable on Spotify, for example. Is there some weird publishing issue??



GIOMH was a BriMel production licenced to Rhino as part of the BWPS dea l with Nonesuch (both labels part of the Warner conglomerate). My guess: the rights to GIOMH have reverted to BriMel, so, when the Playback anthology was assembled in 2017 BriMel only licenced two tracks from GIOMH to Rhino.
11  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Trump fundraiser in Orange County featuring Mike and 'The Beach Boys' on: October 19, 2020, 09:12:33 AM
Once again, wise words from David Crosby re: Mike Love:

https://twitter.com/thedavidcrosby/status/1318221408871145483
12  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian, Carolyn Williams, and 1979-1982 on: September 27, 2020, 12:52:35 PM
One caveat...there are a few inaccuracies for the sake of sensationalism in the Kent story

No doubt about it. But one of the things I like is how he paints Carl's public persona.

Thanx to CenturyDeprived for the scans
13  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian, Carolyn Williams, and 1979-1982 on: September 26, 2020, 11:27:14 AM
While I get the feeling that Carolyn was unfairly treated, I reccomend you reading Nick Kent's  post-KTSA piece on Brian for the NME, to get a feeling of his then-daily life. It's featured on Back to the Beach: A Brian Wilson and The Beach Boys Reader
14  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Hal Blaine Talks About Brian Wilson on: September 10, 2020, 12:39:45 PM
No, I don't remember that, but it's a fine excuse to mention that Greg Leisz has a very impressive and ever growing CV, not to mention his wife, bassit Mai, part of David Crosby's Sky Trails band (i.e. the electric one)

And some good things came out of "Joe's men". Bob Lizik. Paul Von Mertens, and one more...
15  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Hal Blaine Talks About Brian Wilson on: September 09, 2020, 06:21:32 PM
I wasn't my intention to being dismissive of his playing, just stating the fact that he was one of the regulars at Joe's sessions
16  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Hal Blaine Talks About Brian Wilson on: September 09, 2020, 01:09:57 PM
If you look at the song credits, it's full of Thomas men who later would appear on Imagination, outnumbering the Wrecking Crew legends. For example, Eddie Bayers is credited with drums alongside Hal. I assume the first one did most of the dirty work.
17  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Celebrating 50 years of on: September 01, 2020, 05:13:25 PM
I had the pleasure of writing a long piece for the 50th anniversary - it's in Spanish, but Google does a pretty decent translation, judging from its first paragraph:

https://laagenda.buenosaires.gob.ar/post/627833210346274816/aniversario-la-nueva-arcadia
18  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / Smiley Smilers Who Make Music / Re: The Majik Rain Orchestra - cosmic Frequency on: August 11, 2020, 04:37:44 PM
I know this is easier to suggest than to do it (and no, I'm not postulating mysfelf for the task), but, If you need other voices than yours, you should go the extra mile to find them, to do justice to your work. I've been listening on Spotify to The Pen Pal Club, a Japanese band with a havy Sixties fixation (I learnt of them because they did "Melt Away"). The albums are very well done, with a heavy ratio of covers. But them beign of the "Stack-on/twofer" mentalilty, they like to feature both mono and stereo mixes of every album, as well as backing and vocals-only tracks. And I was very dissapointed when I heard the notorious autotuning on the vocal arrangements. Bottom line: they should have find better singers. Sorry if I'm rambling (most certainly I am) but don't sacrifice the melodies or the vocal timbres: your work is very promising for that to happen.

Anyway, keep up the great work.

PS. but going back to my original question: Do you start tracking a keyboard part along with a metronome, even if that keyboard may end up erased after the other instruments are stacked?
19  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / Smiley Smilers Who Make Music / Re: The Majik Rain Orchestra - cosmic Frequency on: August 06, 2020, 04:42:47 PM
Very nice! Glad to have found it recommended on another thread. What led you to relase them as a work-in-progress? Do you have all the vocal melodies written out or are you still composing them?

How did you build up the tracks?

Kudos for a great job
20  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Endless Harmony, The Song on: July 20, 2020, 04:11:11 PM
The Free Design did a nice version: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSqoGn_YIrA
21  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Request: BW Album Reissues with Bonus Discs of Demos and Alternate Takes on: July 20, 2020, 04:08:02 PM
I don't want to be harsh, but this is the kind of stuff that will be a little part of the bread and butter for Brian's children. There's no market for such a thing today, even as digital-only. At Spotify, Brian has only 158000 monthly listiners versus almost 10500000 for The Beach Boys. And we've come a long way from the days of the BW 88 reissue. It seems that I'm in a minority here but I'm curious about outtakes and demos for GIOMH. For example, Mark Linett said that they demoed more songs co-written by Stephen Kalinich. Not that  I think there's a lost masterpiece there, but I'm curious.
22  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: First recording songs of different studios on: March 31, 2020, 11:08:20 AM
C-Man, I'm sorry for the confusion. You're right (as usual), and I'm wrong. The audio for the entire sessions were recorded, yes, but it wasn't filmed. I've just checked with the book
23  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: First recording songs of different studios on: March 31, 2020, 08:50:00 AM
Speaking of Western - I think it's really interesting, and telling, that Brian seems to have purposely avoided using Western from right after the collapse of SMiLE in '67 until just before the 15 Big Ones era, a good 7 or 8 years later. It's as if he couldn't take being at the site of his former glories, yet he was willing to work at other commercial studios - for instance, he used Wally Heider Studio 3 extensively, in spite of (or maybe because of) it being an exact replica of Western 3. I just ran the addresses of Western, Gold Star, Heider's, Valentine, and even Brother in Santa Monica, against 10452 Bellagio Rd through mapquest.com.directions, and I see that they were ALL roughly the same distance from Brian's home at the time (Valentine and Brother being no more than an extra 2 or 3 miles away, depending on if one is driving via West Sunset Blvd or the 405).

Brian's final work at Western for many years appears to have been the June 5-7, 1967 sessions for "With Me Tonight" (logged as part of "Vegetables"). Four days later, the studio at Bellagio was up and running. Bruce returned to Western on September 29th of that year to record the basic tracks for "Bluebirds Over The Mountain", Dennis returned there on November 28th to record "Tune L", and Al (with Carl and Bruce) returned there in March of '69 to begin production of "Loop-de-Loop". But Brian did not record there again until 1974 at the earliest. I'm sure I read a quote somewhere - I believe it was either Chuck or Marilyn - in which that person suspected as much.

Speaking of Western and former glories, Peter Amis Carlin's book states that the 1979 Western sessions with members of the Wrecking Crew were filmed (due to -uh- the believe that they could be Brian's last sessions). Is there any footage of that circulating amongst collectors?
24  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: TRAINWRECKORDS: Summer In Paradise on: March 26, 2020, 05:09:39 PM
No, Hey Jude, I wasn't the one you discussed this issue. Last year I was very lucky to do a very long interview with Van Dyke (I'm a huge admirer, I felt like talking to Mark Twain) , and I was just checking my transcription, and yes, he told me he did all the vocal arrangements for the album, dictating every part to Brian, line by line. Don't forget Van Dyke was a choirboy, even singing at Carnegie Hall, but that wasn't really necesary for him to do the arrangements: he's a master at that, so to him is the same writing for vocals or strings or horns. But I guess he didn't have to sing every part to Brian, much less make him read sheet music: Van Dyke could have played each part on the piano.  He told me that on the OCA song it took Brian three hours to record a doubled five voices. That recollection matches the memories of one of the engineers for the album on an audio forum (can't find the quote now), who said there were a lot of composites (that is, splicing different takes) and time spent on getting Brian's vocals right.

As for the bonus, I've heard a backing track for Hold Back Time, and he told me there will be different mixes, but he's not sure if there's a version of Our Love is Here To Stay, as it has been reported.

Anyway, the published interview is in Spanish, but I suppose you could get a reasonably decent translation with Chrome. It's very long, covering all his career and his great album with Gaby Moreno, but there's some interesting things about Smile, including his idea for an animated feature (!), the Cabinessence argument with Mike Love and the state of his relationship with Brian.

https://laagenda.buenosaires.gob.ar/post/190392418770/m%C3%BAsica-el-amigo-americano
25  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: TRAINWRECKORDS: Summer In Paradise on: March 26, 2020, 01:26:53 PM

So, a Brian Wilson capable of singing and arranging *all* the vocals on something like the "Orange Crate Art" album, coupled with a huge bag of songs, a solid facilitator in Andy Paley, a then pretty hot producer in the form of Don Was, and a group with nothing else to do, all suggested that a Beach Boys album with that material had little chance of being a disaster if the band members had put any weight behind it.

Not to be picky about it, but OCA's vocals arrangements were written by Van Dyke himself, at last that was the case with the title song. BTW, Van Dyke is working with Omnivore Records on a reissue of OCA with bonus tracks, but not alternate takes by Brian, AFIK.
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