As new fan, I recognized it's Carl in both tracks right from the start. Again, it's the same voice, timbre & other characteristics that give away the "ID". I'd recognize him should he leave the band & join San Francisco Bay Area band - there were many during 60s - & be apponted lead singer performing completely different music. Whereas Mike-Al-Brian, maybe Dennis here & there could be very alike. See, listening experience differs from fan to fan. I say Carl is easy to pick, you say took time. Therefore, I stand by everything I said.

GDTM preceded GOK & GV so Carl's voice would have been largely unfamiliar.

I always thought that it was a mistake not to have 'It's OK' as the first single off 15BO.

* it sounds more like a BB song - the background vocals are more prominent.
* the ending makes it sound like a Brian song.

I remember being disappointed by 15BO, primarily because of the determination of Brian's voice. That one thing made the 'Brian's Back' campaign a sham.

Let Us Go On This Way
Roller Skating Child
Mona
Johnny Carson
Good Time
Honkin Down the Higheay
Ding Dang

Solar System
The Night Was So Young
I'll Be He's Nice
Let's Put Our Hearts Together
I Wanna Pick You Up
Airplane
Love Is A Women

http://www.accessatlanta.com/entertainment/music/mike-love-steers-the-beach-boys-back-atlanta/yDCNTwwtCBCKI79S6NLh1I/

“I’m hoping they get the fact that the reason I’m still doing what I’m doing at the level we’re doing it, meaning a volume of work and stuff like that, is probably because I chose a path that wasn’t a path of all the nefarious drugs that my cousins did, I mean, serious, serious stuff, and I chose not to,”

And then there is the typical error in fact from the writer:
Through it all, though, Love kept the Beach Boys going as a successful touring act, and in 2012, the surviving members of the classic Beach Boys lineup — including Brian Wilson, Jardine and Bruce Johnston — reunited with Love for a 50th anniversary tour and a new Beach Boys album, “That’s Why God Made the Radio.” The album had some worthy moments, but by June 2012, Wilson had left the tour and the highly celebrated reunion was over.

What I find interesting is that, except for Landry, Brian goes easy everybody else in his life. I find it amazing that, after all he has been through, he does not have a bitter bone in his body.

I also like that he takes the time time to quote and rave about the songwriting of the other Beach Boys.

Brian's sense of humor (25% better, the Don Henley thing) is absolutely brilliant - dry as the Mojave Desert.

S"The thematic categories, e.g. Home, etc.,  that Mr. Greenman identified allowed him to present Brian's reflections in a set of themes that made the book seem like conversation over a beer on Brian's back porch. "

This is the best description of the book that I have seen.

African Americans are disproportionately inprisoned because African American commit crimes at a disproportionately higher rate that other ethnicities.

That is flat out false. There's a great deal of scholarship done on this and what it shows uncontroversially is that when a white person and a black person commit the same crime, the black person is more likely to be arrested. In the less likely scenario where both are arrested, studies show that a black person is more likely to receive a longer jail sentence, if the white person would even be incarcerated at all. And what is the reason why black people are arrested for crimes that white people are also committing but are not being arrested for? Because black communities are under greater surveillance, largely because of the assumption that there will be more crime committed there, an assumption that, of course, becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy because you can't arrest someone for committing the crimes that you aren't watching. All of this has been amply documented, and I can provide sources if you wish.

The phenomenon on the SJW insult is an interesting one. Personally, I think that it has developed because there are certain people who have gone through their lives being able to make fact-less baseless groundless assumptions that are complete nonsense as represented in the quote above and have it go largely unchallenged. In the past decade or so, there has been more organization and more communication amongst progressive groups and this has had the effect that it has become more difficult for that kind of nonsense to pass without thoughtful rebuttal. Thus, the PC world was born. In other words, before the PC shift, I was able to get away with saying whatever false thing I wanted to say on the internet and now I can't. But, of course, for those who have accepted these sorts of massive distortions as the truth, it must look like the world has gone all PC.

Are you arguing that that the crime rate for African-Americans is not disproportionately higher than that of other ethnicities?

And I am sorry - the PC BS is a product of the 60's leftist take over the the humanities in American Universities. In the 60's the big fight had been won but these people want to keep fighting the battle. Unfortunately for them, there is an overwhelming consensus that state sponsored discrimination had to go (remember, Jim Crow was the law, not a choice by individual businesses) so now we must focus on the implied racism of  "taco night", "offensive" Halloween costumes and such. It is beyond absurd, but the fact that our best and brightest take these ideas seriously instead of overwhelmingly rejecting them with the scorn and ridicule they richly deserve does not bode well for the future of the University.

Not content with corrupting the humanities, the newest target of the SJW is STEM. The first shot has been fired as a SJW PHD candidate attacks the scientific method for being sexist:

http://thefederalist.com/2016/09/29/feminist-phd-candidate-science-sexist-not-subjective/

Back to the topic: 'Pet Sounds' is universal because it deals with human feelings about love and loss. I am not sure how race even enters into it. You might be able to put together a suite of Smokey Robinson songs (are we still allowed to call him 'Smokey' or will that trigger somebody?) that could have expressed it as well as Brian but nobody has expressed it better than Brian.

Now thank God the author did not base his screed on BWPS. That is so full of microaggressions that he probably would have put,it in a class with 'Mein Kampf'

I'm curious if the people who get terribly angry at "political correctness" for trying to control how people speak about things ever notice how much they themselves try to control how people speak about things.

I'm not sure whether you were referring to my resurrection of this thread or John Lemon's response, but I wonder if you care to actually address my point.

Let me put it another way. I'm white, but I grew up in a section of  Salt Lake City that was majority minority.  Solid majority Hispanic with a lot of Polynesian mixed in.  My school district was the first majority minority district in the state.  My particular neighborhood was mostly Polynesian, so the soundtrack to my childhood was a mix of Jawaiian and traditional Samoan folk. In fact, my first exposure to Beach Boys music was  neighbors playing the surf stuff on ukuleles.  I came to love the traditional Samoan/Tongan stuff the best and I still listen to it heavily today.

Now, let's take the passage I cited before and replace the white stuff with Polynesian:

"For a lot of listeners, Fau'ula stands for Poly-dad folk, which stands for a worldview we’re in the necessary process of dismantling."

Would anybody ever say that? Hell no. It would truly be immoral, bigoted and racist. I find it fascinating that popular Progressive culture finds it cool-- nay, necessary-- to throw one culture/race under the bus as the single exception to their Prime Directive.  The rationale for this is what I'm interested in understanding.

My comment was not specific to your comment, but rather that there are now 6 pages of denunciations of rather mild commentary saying that, basically, rock and roll started out primarily as a black medium and rapidly became a primarily white medium. The denunciations of 'political correctness' and 'social justice warriors' are now a very aggressive silencing and social censoring force of their own. Anti-political correctness, which is basically that you can't criticize racism or sexism, is its own powerful political correctness. But none of the people shouting down people who discuss racism seem to notice that they are trying to control expression every bit as much, and in the same way, as political correctness does.

Regarding your specific comment, if we lived in a society in which the hegemonic power and culture had been, for centuries, Polynesian - in a culture in which virtually all senators, congress people, presidents, judges, business leaders, governors, millionaires and billionaires, news reporters and anchor people, and talk show hosts and show runners had been Polynesian - though a significant minority of the population had been white people all that time; and if that society had actually, for the vast majority of that time, up until the living memory of many white people,  by law suppressed white people; and if in that society white people still disproportionately experienced violence and incarceration by the state, and if there remained, say, 42% of the population supporting a Polynesian presidential candidate with a life-long history of anti-white statements and actions, I would find it not offensive that someone wrote a mention of 'Poly-dad' music.

Criticism is not the same as silencing. Silencing is shutting down debate by screeching things like "check your privilege at the door" when confronted with an uncomfortable argument.

Rock and roll has roots in the African American community. Sombreros have roots in Mexico. Who cares? It is important for historical reasons but beyond that it belongs to all who love it.

African Americans are disproportionately inprisoned because African American commit crimes at a disproportionately higher rate that other ethnicities.

The violence that African Americans suffer at disproportionately higher rates than other ethnicities is primary committed by African Americans. White on black violence is a footnote except to the SJW fascists who are more concerned with tearing society apart than fixing it.

You are not obliged to appreciate 'Pet Sounds' but if you criticize it because it represents 'white culture' and its roots are in 'black culture' then you are an idiot. I have no respect for people who make their ethnicity, gender or orientation the central focus of how they filter life, art and other human beings, because in doing so they are no different than David Duke.

BTW, I am proudly #neverTrump

Never liked it.

It sounded like Beach Boy vocals to a generic disco song.

Too bad they couldn't have done a song that was quintessentially Beach Boys which happened to be disco (like "Miss You" was a Stones song through and through and through.

The evil of things like "cultural appropriation", like "microagreessions", "intersectionality" and "safe spaces" are concepts propagated by fascists.

America at its best is an exercise in cultural appropriation.

Now excuse me - my Kung Pao fajitas are ready.

So assuming that the shareholders get all the money that is about $350K per a share per a year.

http://www.seattletimes.com/entertainment/books/good-vibrations-beach-boy-mike-love-unloads-in-a-contentious-memoir/

Maybe a little nit picky, but wasn't Carl the leader in Brian's absence? Mike really did not become the leader on the road until the late '70s at the earliest.

The day Brian visited that car dealership might be the luckiest day of his life.

One thing I noticed during the show is that they added some kettles to Nelson's kit midway through the first set.

I talked with the sound guy after the show and he said that some of the equipment did not arrive from Iceland until after the show started.

I do wonder if Billy's absence contributed to the set list (dropping of AASL, for example). They probably had to make other changes to th arrangements on the fly (a roady came out to play the guiro for 'Pet Sounds').

My daughter loves the music but is blissfully unaware of the history. She was hoping to 'Take a Load Off Your Feet' (a childhood favorite) and 'Disney Girls'. She was happy to hear that she was seeing more actual Beach Boys than you would find at a Beach Boys concert.

I would bet on the jelousy angle.

Every night Mike was outshone by the presence of Brian and the miracle that is Al Jardine's voice.

Maybe the agreement was that he would be in charge of live shows but with my infusion of most of Brian's band and some of the song selections ('Summer's Gone') even the shows seemed Briancentric.

It is my understanding that Mike travels light (what can't be carried in the belly of a commercial plane is rented). Brian (and C50) brought everything from venue to venue - a much more complex undertaking.

No Darien tonight. They had his rig set up and when the band had individual spotlights his station as lit.

Paul played keys during SOS and Probyn played some keys during LGAFAW.

My 16 year old daughter enjoyed it more then the McXartney concert. She got a picture with Gary Griffin after the show.

"Had to Phone Ya" and "I Bet He's Nice"

I would tend to guess even the Wilson brothers themselves never fully understood the relationship they had with each other, so I can't imagine why anyone else can expect to fully understand it, or to have ever expected any of them to articulate the breadth and quality of their relationships in a quick interview soundbite.

They had a rough family relationship by any apparent measure, then drugs and alcohol complicated it further. Then, egos and artistry added to that. Not to mention HUGE financial factors. All sorts of interlopers (Landy, spouses, friends, etc.). The fact that Brian and Carl remained estranged to some degree *after* Landy was gone and after both remaining brothers were no longer using drugs, speaks a great deal to how complex their relationship had to have been.

The family factor is so huge. Despite the fact that I'm sure Al Jardine and David Marks would be considered "family" by the most inclusive definition among most band members, I think it's also not surprising that it has been David Marks and to some degree Al who have most easily navigated back into working with Brian again. Less baggage. Still a ton (in the case of Al anyway), but without that extra layer of complexity perhaps.

Just to speak to this:  "They had a rough family relationship by any apparent measure, then drugs and alcohol complicated it further. Then, egos and artistry added to that. Not to mention HUGE financial factors. All sorts of interlopers (Landy, spouses, friends, etc.). The fact that Brian and Carl remained estranged to some degree *after* Landy was gone and after both remaining brothers were no longer using drugs, speaks a great deal to how complex their relationship had to have been."

(Not a criticism, Hey Jude, just focusing on a specific here).  I would say that Melinda was very interested in having Brian heal his relationship with his family even before she married him, and that I know directly.  While I wasn't there when the event(s) happened, I understand that before Carl's death, there was a major healing experience between Brian and Carl, and I did see it later in talking to Brian about Carl - there was a real joy.  Unfortunately, Dennis died during the Landy years.  But we all heal in our own ways and time and possibly even in other realms.  I don't claim to know how that works.  I do know that they all loved each other and that Melinda was very interested in helping that experience between them become real.  In this particular case, the spouse was definitely not the interloper/problem.

I am glad to here that. If one believes the theory that stress is a contributor to the onset of cancer than it is possible that the Brian/Landy situation played a role in Carl's illness. He deserved having his relationship with Brian healed before he passed.

I do find Carl the most interesting of the Beach Boys because so little is known about him. He is the Raymond Shaw of the band - Even Mike Love has never uttered a discouraging  word about Carl.

Saw Brian once - 1978 at the Providence Civic Center.

At one point Brian, on an electric piano of some type, started playing a different song. Dennis came down from the drum riser and pulled the plug on Brian where upon Brian charged at Dennis. Roadies came out and separated Brian and Dennis.

This was all midsong and the band kept playing during the cracks.

I don't recall if Brian played any bass at this show.

Bruce's keyboard was missed greatly.

I believe that SMiLE fell apart because Brian was trying to go to the moon in a P51 Mustang.

All the other drama is fallout from that.

I wonder if she is a tomboy or if she roller skates?

The problems that people have with Mike are not related to his lack of proficiency on an instrument.

The R&R HOF is joke.

How does Timothy B Schmit get in as an Eagle while Bruce does not.

BTW,  TBS would have been a great addition to the touring band following the Eagles break up.

According to Wikipedia (which is never wrong) it's pretty close but by studio album Mike is the career lead singer at 140 with Brian close behind at 132 and Carl at a distant 3rd with 91. You know allowing for me losing track and adding wrong and such.

Which means that Mike sang lead (if you throw in Dennis Al, Bruce & Blondie) about 1/3 of the songs. He is not THE lead singer, but a lead singer. And IMO, there are very few songs where his lead vocals are the most interesting facet of the song.