Barnyard,

Way to go. Mike's suit claiming co-writing credit will be filed tomorrow.

I am starting to think that Mike says these things on purpose to see the reaction on smileysmile.

While Mike was a decent lryicist with some definate high points (Warmth of the Sun, The Wild Honey Album, Only With You), they are decades in the past. What concepts is he truly responsible for?

I will take the concept behind Pet Sounds, SMiLE, Today , Good Vibration s and 'Til I Die over any concept of Mike Love's.

Beaver Brown - "Lake Pipes Roar"

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=W0P0PT1HaDU

I had always thought that "Wish For You" was recorded post diagnosis. It sure sounds like a goodbye.

I hope this is a suitable place to bring this up. In perusing YouTubeI came across a Chuck Negron interview

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=m8gEzfQ2c-s

At 32:05 the interview gets really like interesting. I don't know if it was ever in the cards , but Negron talks about a reunited TDN opening for the Beach Boys  during the C50.. He then describes why it did not come about from the TDN perspective. According to Negron it was not going to happen because "Danny Hutton is not going to take the chance to be the third wheel again because he is running the show".

Substitute Mike Love for Danny Hutton and  " second wheel" for "third wheel" (although for my money I would rather see Al than Mike)  and you get an idea of how C50 broke down.

Party
Smiley Smile
20/20
Surf's Up
CATP
15 BO
MIU

My theory is that  there were a number of things going on but the main thing is that Carl grew up (in 1973 he was only 24 or 25 years old):

* In 1977 and 1978 he had his own demons to overcome which he did in a remarkable way.

* He might have been ambivalent about nostalgia stuff. While the more progressive music would be more satisfying artistically, playing what the people want sets your kids (and grand kids) up for life. When he took his sojourn from the band his main complaint was about the quality of the presentation, not the material itself.

* From what I have read, Carl was  a father figure not only to his own kid's but also to those  of his brothers.

* Somewhat related, but it seems that Carl was the patriarch of the Wilson clan. In this role I can imagine that the issues with Brian & Dennis took a huge toll on him.

In short, I think that as he got older,  there were things in Carl's life that took precedence over producing the next "Holland".  If my theory is true maybe the music did suffer, however,  it makes Carl a more admirable man  and the Wilson family more fortunate for having him.

Some of my Favorite 80's recordings:

Albums
Marshall Crenshaw - Marshall Crenshaw
Irish Heartbeat - Van Morrison/Chieftans
Traveling Wilburys - Traveling Wilburys

Songs
Cherry Bomb - John Melloncamp
Perfect World - Huey Lewis
My Brave Face - Paul McCartney
Let's Groove Tonight's - EW&F
I Couldn't Say No - Robert Ellis Orell
Between a Whisper and a Scream - Elvis Costello
Mayor of Simpleton - XTC
Annie Get Your Gun - Squeeze

11. After killing "Smile" for effing with the formula Mike pushed the release of "Smiley Smile" cause that certainly didn't eff the formula.:O

I voted Rubber Soul but I like revolver equally as much.

My 14 year old daughter is obsessed by Beatles.  The Beach Boys, not so much even though she loved "Take Load Off Your Feet" when she was 3.

Every time I listen to "Silk Degrees" I think that Carl would have sounded great singing songs like that (Blue Eyed Soul).


Listening to things like "Baby Blue", " Love Surrounds Me", "Rainbows", and " Angel Come Home" make me think that Carl & Dennis had  the synergy to be a successful duo.

Chicago's absence is the biggest oversight.

Other big oversights are the Moody Blues, Grand Funk and Journey.

I would also argue for the Doobie Brothers - but which ones?

From the list I would go with the Ramones. Outside the list I would say the Dropkick Murphys.

 Never considered Jonathan Richman/Modern Lovers punk but Roadrunner is one of the best Rock 'n Roll songs ever.

There is something to be said for releasing the best song on an album regardless of how commercial it might seem.

Sunflower
- This Whole World
- All I Wanna Do

Surf's Up:
- Surf's Up
- Til I Die

CATP:
- All This Is That
- You Need a Mess

Holland:
They got it right

In Concert:
- Marcella (10 x better than the studio version)
- SUSA (exception to my rule but it is a fresh take on an oldie)

15 Big Ones:
- It's OK (should have the first single - another "what were they thinking" moment)
- Just Once In My Life
- Had to Phone Ya

Love You
- Honkin
- Johnny Carson (why not?)

MIU
- Peggy Sue was the right call
- My Diane

LA
- Angel Come Home
- Love Surrounds Me

KTSA
- I like a lot of the songs on the album but it just was not a good record for the time.  Maybe "Some of Your Love" with different lyriss.

BB85
- Where I Belong
- It's Getting Late

Next experiment. We know that "Isn't It Time" was a last-minute addition to the album, recorded with all the guys together. Now, listen to that. Notice how the harmonies are ragged. Notice how you can hear several different voices throughout, and on the harmony parts. That strikes me as being a genuine group recording. And it sounds radically different from anything else on the record.

Ragged as the harmonies might have been (I don't hear it so much) "Isn't It Time" was the best thing about the TWGMTR album for me and Mike's doo-wops really made that a GREAT song.  I wished they'd done a whole album with that style.

That song is the classic BB's vocal sound!

Yeah, Isn't It Time is a BB classic, just as much as the "life-suite" is. It should've been the lead single, as much as I love the title track, it's pretty dull and non-commercial.

I thought the original (album) version of the song was fantastic. I wouldn't have wanted a whole album like that and was glad for some of the other material as well, but it was really, really strong. (Single version didn't suit my taste as much. I thought it almost ruined it, to be honest.)

I think the single should have been FTTBA/PCH.  Maybe not an obvious choice but these (and SG) are so superior to the rest of the album and its hits you on such an emotional level that it could have been a hit.

Say what you will about Al but if I had to choose one living Beach Boy to see it would be Al (preferably backed up by Brian's band).

Another thought: There is talk in the Foskett interview thread about whether Jeff's move is motivated to give an fu to Brian's organization.  Couldn't the set up of the Mike/Bruce show be seen as an even bigger fu to Al since the sole purpose of the structure appears to be to keep him out?

I always tend to go for the simplest explanation:

Last year Jeff was burned out so he withdrew.  Being in a band and being a caregiver would more than a handful for a period months, let alone, more than a decade.

This year a spot opened up in Mike's band.

For Jeff this is attractive because it is regular and  an easier gig than his prior one.

For Mike it is attractive because Jeff is a known quantity and adds a little authenticity to the act.

When Jeff joined Mike he was a free agent so the impact of an FU would be quite limited.

Or maybe Jeff doesn't like Al or maybe he does not wish to be part of upcoming "Love You at 38" tour.

Who is between Scott & Darien on Rhonda?

Back to Rhonda . . .

Can't Dennis be heard saying "Hang ten" at the start of the electric piano solo?

That always made me think that Dennis played it and with Dennis on the electric piano could it be Billy on bass?