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76  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Wilson/Paley Sessions on: September 02, 2022, 06:02:32 PM
Brian was Landy’s victim, and unfortunately some people like to blame the victim rather than the perpetrator
77  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Wilson/Paley Sessions on: September 02, 2022, 01:26:18 PM
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Have you read Cindy Lee Berryhill's account of the Beach Boys group session with Paley and Brian? That alone indicates a lot of more nuanced, weird, deep stuff was going on than simply someone thinking the material wasn't commercial. A lot of weird passive-aggressive stuff was going. And that was only on the more micro level when it came to actually literally working on the material. The larger political issues surrounding the organization were also at play. I've probably already gone on about a lot of that already in this thread.

Where can I find this?
78  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Wilson/Paley Sessions on: August 25, 2022, 03:43:48 PM
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It doesn't matter. There are two kinds of people who showed up to those BB reunion shows. Hardcore fans like all of us here who bought the record Day One. And casual  fans who don't care for any new music they release and only want to hear the hits. Even if the band had stayed together, there's no audience for new music from old acts beyond the hardcore fanbase. Paul McCartney, in a recent interview, talked about this :

You’re missing the third, most important group of all… the new fans (mostly around college age) who were just getting into the band from TSSand were excited at the opportunity to see the reunited lineup for the first/only time. That was a HUGE part of it, especially since many of them went on to be musicians of note themselves, or make up a huge portion of the indie pop/indie rock journalism scene. It’s one of the big parts of the renaissance over the past decade, and for some reason (likely ageism) it’s the segment of the fanbase the longer term fans dismiss, if not outright despise.  They were certainly there during  c50 , and not just at Bonnaroo (the fact that they even PLAYED there also spoke volumes). I think some of us even commented on that during the original c50 tour threads, how there was a surprising amount of 20 somethings in the crowds, and TWGMTR and especially Isn’t It Time seemed to go over better with *them* than others. No, they weren’t drawn in by the new songs, but they certainly didn’t embarrass the BB like the newer output did in 1995, which was the last time The Beach Boys were starting to get indie cred and f***ed it up , hence the very subject of this thread.

Those people are parents now, or had small kids then. This is the generation watching Stranger things or doing YouTube videos doing in-depth analysis on why they’re disappointed with the mastering of the new compilation.

Oh and McCartney had a good amount of exposure for his song “New” a year or so after . Yeah it was in a kids movie but still.
79  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Wilson/Paley Sessions on: August 25, 2022, 12:24:15 PM



A top-5 album is a top-5 album whether the artist is 75 or 20.

Yes, but a top-5 album is not a top-5 album whether the year is 1970 versus 2012, and whether the album remains in the top 5 for 20 weeks or stays there for one week before dropping out of the top 200 altogether.

You say it's diminishing the accomplishment. I'm saying there is no accomplishment to diminish: it sold the minimal number it was always going to sell. They have a fanbase of about 20,000 people worldwide that will buy a new album in the first week. Millions more like their old music but will not buy or listen to any new album they put out.

It reminds me of the old spin Sony Music put on Michael Jackson's Blood on the Dance Floor album. "It's the best-selling remix album of all time". Some fans still use that factoid all these years later. Sounds good, until you remember remix albums are usually niche releases, which means of course a major MJ album promoted as a real new album will be the best-selling remix album of all time by default. Record stores still sent back unsold copies to Sony by the truckload.
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Well , sh*t then, guess we should abandon the charts entirely since they’re worthless. Everyone instead gets a participation trophy.  “Only” making it to #3 on the top 200… those poor imaginary non-existent other 197 artists ranked below them must’ve really been depressed that week.

If I win the lottery tomorrow, I’ll throw away the ticket because it means less, since less people are buying it vs a few weeks ago when the jackpot was several hundred million. Hell, so long to my right kidney; it’s only functioning at a percentage of its smaller cousin. I have two kids, but might as well give my son up since the sex lasted longer when I conceived my daughter.*

* not really. I mean, I didn’t have a stop watch set . Obviously that was a joke, but I could *never* pass up the opportunity to be sarcastic. It’s my civil duty.


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Wtf happened to the quote tree?
80  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Wilson/Paley Sessions on: August 23, 2022, 07:57:44 PM
Isn’t It Time was the only instance I’m ever familiar with where BW lip-synced (that incredibly exposed first verse).

Do you mean he lip-synced that verse during concert performances?

Never had confirmation, but it was always suspiciously in tune and on time.

Not always! And if so, either multiple different recordings were used, or the pre-recording stopped around the time Melodyne wasn’t being used
81  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson - 2022 Tour Thread (Plus Archived 2021) on: August 22, 2022, 09:16:53 PM
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“Mr Clean Living” looking high af and smoking a cigarette.
i don't think Mike has ever denied doing a little reefer back in the day. He drew the line at hard drugs - and more power to him.
I find it odd that we diss the guy with the courage of good sense to stay away from cocaine and heroin and all the other bad stuff, while the worst abusers are thought of as nearly saintly.
At least Carl was strong enough to get off whatever he was on in Australia. I sure wish Dennis had followed his example.


The only reason anyone is dissing Mike is because he make such a stink about being clean living and he’s always criticizing the Wilson brothers’ substance use, when in the meantime he used drugs and smoked cigarettes too. In other words, people are criticizing his hypocrisy.

I’d also note that equating being able to get off hard drugs with “strength” is not accurate. Drug use and addiction have a lot of factors and putting it down to “strength” is essentially making a moral judgement about it.

Completely agreed
82  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Wilson/Paley Sessions on: August 22, 2022, 12:15:09 PM
It was basically Mike/Carl/Bruce vs Brian and Al at that point

Based on what I observed backstage then, the alliances ran Mike & Bruce and Carl & Al, but then I'm just an outside observer. I suspect, as the group's mediator, Carl was the man in the middle.



I meant in regards to Brian
83  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Wilson/Paley Sessions on: August 21, 2022, 02:15:44 PM
Because it was important to Mike and he was in complete control of the band at that point. It was basically Mike/Carl/Bruce vs Brian and Al at that point
84  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian's on: August 21, 2022, 02:13:18 AM
Whoa…
85  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Wilson/Paley Sessions on: August 19, 2022, 11:39:43 PM
Not only that, but production issues aside, it was the best album quality wise since the early 70s with no real clunkers. That’s an accomplishment in and of itself.
86  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Wilson/Paley Sessions on: August 17, 2022, 07:35:09 PM
Controversial opinion time… Despite being a Wilson, Carl post-1983 seems to have a lot more in common with Mike than either of his brothers. Maybe it was Dennis’s loss,  maybe it was him being able to relate to Mike better after joining that cult, I dunno. All I do know is that the *real* band could’ve had one final great album but instead he sided with Mike. Honestly, I think if he’d had lived, we might not have gotten C50 barring a major thawing of relations. We might have had a case where the touring entities with Brian/Al vs Mike/Carl/Bruce. Who would be the “real” Beach Boys in that scenario?
Well, we won't ever know, but relations had already been thawing from where their lowest point was (He was Brian's best man at his wedding to Melinda), and I think once Brian really showed that he was alright to do live touring again, Carl would've wanted to work with Brian, especially when everybody else was also enthusiastic about doing it. I guess we won't ever really know how that would go.

They got married at the beginning of the year. Didn’t the falling out happen in the fall, when Carl said he was done? I can’t remember off the top of my head when the Uncut interview happened.
87  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Wilson/Paley Sessions on: August 17, 2022, 01:54:52 PM
Controversial opinion time… Despite being a Wilson, Carl post-1983 seems to have a lot more in common with Mike than either of his brothers. Maybe it was Dennis’s loss,  maybe it was him being able to relate to Mike better after joining that cult, I dunno. All I do know is that the *real* band could’ve had one final great album but instead he sided with Mike. Honestly, I think if he’d had lived, we might not have gotten C50 barring a major thawing of relations. We might have had a case where the touring entities with Brian/Al vs Mike/Carl/Bruce. Who would be the “real” Beach Boys in that scenario?
88  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson - 2022 Tour Thread (Plus Archived 2021) on: August 17, 2022, 01:26:58 PM
😎
89  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson - 2022 Tour Thread (Plus Archived 2021) on: August 16, 2022, 06:57:53 PM
A little late, but man, how can people forget THIS picture of Brian with a hat?


lol that used to be my avatar here
90  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson - 2022 Tour Thread (Plus Archived 2021) on: August 16, 2022, 06:53:58 PM
How *did* we get on this subject again, anyway?
91  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson - 2022 Tour Thread (Plus Archived 2021) on: August 15, 2022, 09:29:02 AM
Same
92  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian's on: August 14, 2022, 04:58:45 PM
I recall reading somewhere that it was exactly that, and rather small
93  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson - 2022 Tour Thread (Plus Archived 2021) on: August 13, 2022, 09:00:32 PM
“Mr Clean Living” looking high af and smoking a cigarette.
i don't think Mike has ever denied doing a little reefer back in the day. He drew the line at hard drugs - and more power to him.
I find it odd that we diss the guy with the courage of good sense to stay away from cocaine and heroin and all the other bad stuff, while the worst abusers are thought of as nearly saintly.
At least Carl was strong enough to get off whatever he was on in Australia. I sure wish Dennis had followed his example.


I wasn’t criticizing him for it! Just pointing out the fact that this was way before I was born; my earliest beach boys memory was the 86 anniversary special. Finding out he tried mescaline still blows my mind (pardon the pun). Hell, I keep having to go back and look at that stubbly Carl photo again. That was a really good look, but it just was so foreign to how I’m used to seeing him in that era that it just looks weird.
94  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson - 2022 Tour Thread (Plus Archived 2021) on: August 13, 2022, 08:55:02 PM
Happy birthday Billy!  Brian, Dennis, & Carl

Thank you 😎
95  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson - 2022 Tour Thread (Plus Archived 2021) on: August 13, 2022, 08:54:22 PM
Happy birthday billy!

Thank you! I’m 44, look 54, feel 74, act 24. LOL
96  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson - 2022 Tour Thread (Plus Archived 2021) on: August 13, 2022, 12:53:05 PM
“Mr Clean Living” looking high af and smoking a cigarette.
97  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson - 2022 Tour Thread (Plus Archived 2021) on: August 11, 2022, 01:49:09 PM
You know, before this tour I never saw Brian wear a cap, no matter what time of day the show was or how hot. I think the only time (besides the fireman helmet) was him wearing a Kangol hat in like 1965 or so. Nothing to me pointing that out , but just saying it never occurred to me  til last month. It’s like seeing that photo of Carl in 1977 when he had shaved (and he had stubble). Just looked *different*

Brian had a cap on at some of the shows? I never saw that. Any pics?
They’re on YouTube… I know he did at the show in the Woodlands and I think one more that I’ve seen. I’d get a screen cap but that means I’d have to see the footage again and frankly seeing Brian not doing so hot hurts me too much. Breaks my damn heart
98  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: on: August 11, 2022, 11:37:30 AM
I'm not sure how much cutting down the songs would help the GIOMH album. I think the main issues are that it's kind of "underwritten" and "overproduced." I remember hearing the "Cocaine" tape years prior and thinking "City Blues" would make a good track. My jaw hit the floor when they did it for the GIOMH album. But it's a mess. It's muddy and cluttered, Clapton's guitar wankery does it no favors. It's hard to tell how much the issue is the arrangement versus the mixing. I guess it's kind of both? A number of the songs on the album have this issue. And that's looking at the *good* compositions. Then separately, yes, some of the songs just aren't too hot.

But I remember liking it more than the majority of fans back in 2004!

It was a terrible combination of being overproduced and underproduced, if that makes sense. Like, it was cluttered and busy but the mix…eh…not even sure I can call it that. I knew this dude back in college , Audio IV class. I had 2 hours of studio time before class but had to wait for him to take his stuff down so I could set up. He talked about everything he’d done and how many tracks , and how he was proud of dubbing in harps , banjos, all this stuff. 40+ tracks worth of stuff. Consider this was 2001 in Pro Tools. Anyway , about a week later when we as a class we’re listening to each others’ projects, it was his turn. He never bothered to mix the f*cker! Literally just compressed the hell out of it and threw a limiter and called it a day*. When I heard GIOMH for the first time , I had the same reaction as I did to Johnny’s project.


* The wav looked hilarious, by the way… it looked like some wrapped a hoagie in a gym mat. Or as I called it, “the world’s smoothest rectangle “
99  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson - 2022 Tour Thread (Plus Archived 2021) on: August 11, 2022, 11:18:20 AM
Wow..had never seen that picture of Carl! That was actually a good look for him too
100  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: 60th Anniversary Tour on: August 10, 2022, 04:19:14 PM
There is no need for a 60th anniversary reunion tour.  These guys do not owe us one either.  And despite the way the 50th anniversary reunion fizzled out near the end, it overshadowed the fact that it was still actually a very successful and high profile reunion complete with a great appearance on Jimmy Fallon's show among other appearances.   And it produced an album that was far better than it had any reason to be.  Even if some folks groaned over the production, it still is a better way to conclude the band's studio album career than with Stars & Stripes, Vol. 1 and especially Summer In Paradise.   The potential documentary is more than enough to recognize the band's milestone.

Not trying to derail the thread, but am I really in the minority of people who actually prefer Summer In Paradise to Stars & Stripes, Vol. 1?

I mean, admittedly, I'm not a country music fan, generally speaking. But, even with all the problems of Summer In Paradise, it just pains me to see The Beach Boys being used as a back-up band to mostly second or third rate country artists. The only redeeming quality for me is that the background vocals are stellar as always, and I quite like this version of "Caroline, No."

But, I absolutely agree that That's Why God Made The Radio is far and away a MUCH better ending for the guys than even a new studio album at this point would be. Even if I'd welcome it with open arms.

Agreed on all points. I’d rather listen to SIP on repeat then hear most of S&S again. The former is an awful, zero star album. The latter is even worse, with most of the features being absolutely horrific. It’s so bad that I can’t even score it with a number or letter. I’ll have to reach out into the animal kingdom for help with this one… it scores a negative cockroach .
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