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1  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brians caring personality on: Yesterday at 07:51:09 PM
There was a scene in Star Trek V where they all sang Row Row Row Your Boat, and it’s considered a jump the shark moment
2  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Some recent thoughts/theories on C50 and possible potential reunions.... on: May 22, 2019, 07:48:45 PM
And we’ll have business business business til Sea World takes the reunion away
3  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike working on yet another new album on: May 21, 2019, 07:20:41 PM
I still don't get why people are so annoyed by studio remakes of the old songs. When the guys play live - Mike, Brian, Al, etc - people have no complaints that all or most of the songs are old.

Speaking only for myself, but I don't see the need for studio remakes, regardless of who does it, unless it's bringing something new to the song. And by new, I don't mean terrible production! Not the same as live IMHO, where there's a certain vibe from actually being there
4  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Beach Boys on SiriusXM 2019 on: May 21, 2019, 07:19:00 PM
The idea behind having folks from the BB camps (e.g. Boyd, Linett, Edelson) would not be a "lecture", it would be simply help/advice in programming the station, and, perhaps, some roundtable discussion bits or other types of things where they would be interviewed. Essentially, variations or extensions on what the in-house SiriusXM people ended up doing on the channel.

Have Stebbins and Edelson spin bits of the hundreds of hours of interviews they have with all the guys over the years, intesrpersed with guest DJ bits. Those guys know how it works; that you can't play five hours straight of "15 Big Ones" and "So Tough" material exclusively. But they could have helped them to avoid playing "Mother May I" seventeen times per day.

Also, just more BRI involvement would be great. It would seem to be the perfect outlet to air some unreleased concerts and things of that nature. The closest we ever got to that was the channel spinning the Oak Ridge Boys 1985 4th of July live collaboration and other stuff from that album.

Certainly, there area a dozen BB experts that could put together a "Top 10" as interesting if not more so than David Fricke.

It got pretty thin at some points on that run last year on the channel. I can't remember who it was, but at one point they had a soundbite from some celebrity (likely in the midst of plugging something else at SiriusXM) whose BB-related anecdote was literally something like "I remember hearing Beach Boys music in the 60s."

I'd definitely be down with Howie doing a guest spot
5  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Beach Boys on SiriusXM 2019 on: May 17, 2019, 09:08:58 PM
Maybe we should petition or contact Sirius
6  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Meeting at Brian's house after the 1977 airport tarmac incident...? on: May 17, 2019, 09:08:02 PM
After the 2015 BW show I went to, as many of the band was leaving he actually stopped briefly to ask my daughter ( who was 7 at the time) if she enjoyed the show. I was talking to Paul at the time so I didn’t interact with Al but to this day that’s stuck with her. He seems like a great guy.

Heck, so was Paul, Probyn , Nelson, Matt, and Blondie
7  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread on: May 16, 2019, 10:29:28 PM
That’s one of the reasons why I’m excited about this Zombies tour. With the idea that Friends and Surfs Up are being pushed, it’ll be great listening and possible increased exposure for that side of Brian due to the increased attention on the Zombies with them being inducted into the Hall of Fame
8  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread on: May 16, 2019, 04:17:32 PM
Here’s a mindblower... Brian’s been a touring solo artist almost as long as he was a Beach Boy and if we’re being technical about it, longer
9  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian live webcast tonite on: May 06, 2019, 11:57:29 AM
How long has Brian been using a wheelchair as he apparently did at this concert?

Since his back surgery last year, although I think he's used a walker at times
10  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / Smiley Smilers Who Make Music / Re: My daughter’s new single “Mean Girls” on: May 03, 2019, 11:28:27 AM
Thank you kindly!
11  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / Smiley Smilers Who Make Music / Re: My daughter’s new single “Mean Girls” on: May 02, 2019, 05:42:13 PM
Thanks Jay... much appreciated as always!
12  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / Smiley Smilers Who Make Music / Re: My daughter’s new single “Mean Girls” on: May 02, 2019, 03:01:28 PM
Hi Billy. Does this album version differ much from the single? Awesome stuff. Congrats to Jaymie! Smiley

Please delete this post if I'm out of order. Wink

The album and the single version are the same... it’s subtitled as such to differentiate it from the demo version that’s been online

Thank you for the kind words as well! Hard to believe we’re at this point now...imagine when she’s older!
13  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / Smiley Smilers Who Make Music / My daughter’s new single “Mean Girls” on: May 01, 2019, 11:14:25 PM
I normally wouldn’t put something up for sale but my daughter Jaymie is now part of my group and we’ve been writing together. She was 10 when she wrote this and did about 90% of it. I did the middle section and part of the beat;she did the rest. We’re planning on making the album kind of like a mixture of EDM and SMiLE. This is our first single from Live To Die, titled “Mean Girls”. It’s an instrumental electro song but we made our own loops and instrument sounds, no prepare samples were used.
14  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread on: April 30, 2019, 10:32:26 PM
This may be the most excited I’ve ever been for a tour in a long time
15  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Career mishaps?? on: April 29, 2019, 09:10:40 PM
I personally think Let Us Go On This Way should’ve been the first single, personally
16  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Rocky Pamplin's THE BEACH BOYS' ENDLESS WAVE completed and published on: April 22, 2019, 10:24:38 PM
Truth be told we were led to believe that by someone we thought was credible. someone I know says ,It was s thing that happened “
17  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Rocky Pamplin's THE BEACH BOYS' ENDLESS WAVE completed and published on: April 22, 2019, 08:04:12 PM
1000 times agreed..glad to have you here!
18  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: 1967 Radio Ad for \ on: April 22, 2019, 04:28:31 PM
19  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Rocky Pamplin's THE BEACH BOYS' ENDLESS WAVE completed and published on: April 22, 2019, 12:01:43 PM
Debbie KL - as you see, I replied to Jay. Figured I'd get support that actually, I defend Melinda, not be told I "mischaracterize" your posts. & sadly, it isn't true that *anyone* here doesn't ignore what Melinda accomplished. Many do ignore that fact, if you read thru many posts in many threads.

Including Jay who you thanked. Here's few examples:

I remember that when it aired. Brian jumps all over Melinda for badmouthing Marylin.  Grin
Seriously? Laughing at Melinda being scolded by Brian? It strikes me as really unpleasant, as if Jay derides her.

Hey, if Brian decides tomorrow that he and Mike are on the same creative page and they fly off to some remote island retreat to write pop masterpieces, I'd say "cool beans!"  I don't anticipate that, because it doesn't seem to be the way Brian works these days. I also don't expect Mike to tune up the mega tour bus caravan with the 40 piece orchestra, giant video screen and catered birthday cake for the next Beach Boys gig. Mike needs to concede to Brian's current creative method, and Brian needs to give Mike more comfort room in the tours. They need to let each other play to their strengths instead of making demands in the areas of their weaknesses. 

I'm with you on that.
I think Melinda is the one who needs to be sent to a remote island.
Here, Debbie KL, it's very clearly shown to you that Jay definitely ignores Melinda's accomplishments. The style he speaks about Melinda is very much looking like derision & annoyance by her, that he doesn't like her being Brian's management team. As if it's up to Jay to decide it.

Glad to help. 3D

Old posts?! Now I know you're just out to start trouble. You know good and well his opinions have changed on that once he realized what Andrew Doe is/was. Not the first time we've had this discussion, either.

I'll decide the length later.

20  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Whatever Happened on: April 18, 2019, 09:01:17 AM
To my knowledge, guitar only
21  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Rocky Pamplin's THE BEACH BOYS' ENDLESS WAVE completed and published on: April 17, 2019, 10:50:05 AM
When Stephen took over the reins and replaced Nick Grillo as manager in April, 1972, momentum was finally building as the Beach Boys’ concert tours became increasingly popular. One of Stephen’s first major decisions was to start a repayment program from the band to Brian and Marilyn for $330,000 they’d poured into the group over the previous few years (well over two million dollars in today’s money). Stephen had Brian’s back. When all the money was eventually repaid, Marilyn gratefully told Stephen, “Thanks for looking after us.”

Brian cried when he signed the CBS contract. Could he miraculously create another hit record? For Brian, the thought was painful and frightening; he really wanted no part of fame or success again. After all, look what it had brought him before, nothing but heartache and disappointment. Brian had been a broken man for almost a decade.

Did he have the mettle to put his fragile self, his talent, and his soul on the line again? That was the multi-million-dollar question. We were going to see if Stephen could prop Brian up, with my help and Stan’s, and get the golden goose to produce a hit record that would resonate with the times.

A lot had happened during the years that Brian had been in bed, not writing music, totally withdrawn from the band. Cocaine and heroin had become his drugs of choice. He would call his dealers at all hours, day or night, and tell them there was a thousand dollars in the mailbox (that always guaranteed a quick delivery). Brian was a physical and emotional wreck. At his peak weight, he carried over 300 pounds on his 6-foot, 3-inch frame, had greasy hair down past his shoulders, a scraggly beard, unclipped toenails, nicotine-stained fingers, and went unbathed for days, sometimes weeks at a time.

To further complicate the challenges he faced, Brian heard voices on a regular basis, voices sometimes telling him to harm people, or that people were about to harm him.
. He was in the throes of addiction, a seemingly hopeless lost cause, and he’d been diagnosed as a paranoid schizophrenic. He had absolutely no interest in life, love, music or anything of value. Being a productive member of society was dead last on Brian’s list of priorities.
He was a defeated shell of a man, simply waiting to die. If ever there was a modern-day tragic Shakespearean character, Brian filled the role. He had, in the vernacular of surfers, wiped out.
Psychologist Eugene Landy was hired for the first time in 1975, but he was fired by Stephen after his fees climbed to over $22,000 a month. Marilyn reached the end of her rope in 1976, when she felt Brian was a danger to himself and to the family. She threatened to have him committed to a mental institution.
Stephen pleaded with Marilyn to delay committing Brian and to give it one more try, take one last chance to save Brian. He asked her permission to hire his younger brother, Stan, to enter their home and drag Brian out of bed—against his will, if necessary—to try and save Brian.
Marilyn would always push back. “You either do what Stan tells you to do, or you’re going to the mental hospital.”

Clearly, Stan needed more backup in the extremely demanding, nearly impossible task of saving a lost soul who would go to any length to get drugs. That’s when Stan suggested to Stephen that they bring me aboard to help.
Stephen’s last-ditch effort to avoid institutionalizing Brian worked, despite some surprising actions by Brian’s own brothers, and despite every wily effort Brian made to get drugs. Brian did come back from the edge, and Stephen’s "Brian’s Back" campaign made the band richer than it had been in its heyday in the Sixties.
This was an interesting thread.
To add to the comments about  the factual inaccuracies and the heroism of Mike Love, I would like to add the following thoughts:
1. If you feel that for legal reasons you can’t write an honest book, the ethical thing to do is not write it, and maybe write an article about the legal pressure to be either dishonest or silent.
2. Co-writing a nonfiction book behooves you to research the subject and fact-check.
3. The above quote recounts what was my main problem with Rocky before: the incredible inhumanity with which Brian Wilson was treated and the continued defense of it. It is clear from the set up that Brian Wilson has enough money to get proper treatment. It is also clear from the entire narrative that money for other members of the band  was the motivation behind Stephen Love’s and the other participants’ actions toward B Wilson, despite their justifications. The excerpt makes clear that all understood that he was suffering from severe mental illness, yet they decided to put him, at threat of physical abuse, in a stressful and damaging situation. To feign, among all the evidence of being motivated by finances, that the purpose was to save his life is pure gaslighting and justification for immoral exploitation of an extremely damaged and vulnerable person.
What they did to him then was not only immoral (IMO) but illegal (factually).

Thanks Emily - good to see you here.

Okay, I've avoided this thread for very painful reasons. But as I watch the shell of Notre Dame de Paris in flames, I'm just hoping we focus on the beauty of humanity and not dwell on all the horrible mistakes that have been made along the way, particularly around our treasured creator of beauty, Brian. This was a horrible time in Brian's life. The people who were in a position to help Brian didn't know what they didn't know. My suggestion that Brian meet with Jolly West at UCLA, thanks to my friend David Leaf, was met with condescension, not by Stan and Rocky, but by Steve Korthof. I blame none of them. I had no one to talk to because I had no respect. I suspect this was to do with people's imaginary ideas of who I was and why I was there. While I wasn't grabbing for the money like some, I just wasn't tough enough. I have to take responsibility for not having the confidence to insist on what was best for Brian.  I guess we were all just doing the best we could at the time.

So Brian got Landy for all those years (again) until Melinda went to the same group at UCLA many years later, again at David's suggestion. I'm not angry at the folks who didn't know who and what Brian needed, I'm just sad at it all. I've lost my anger and self-righteousness over this, since none of it matters in the end. I feel certain that all of the "tell all" books will sink into oblivion and Brian's music will live on. Nobody can write a tell-all book because no one knows "it all." I guess some of them are well-intended, but people can't avoid their self-serving POV because that's how we're made. If I wrote one, it wouldn't be accurate either. It's not possible.

I wish all of these people well. I guess they're still just doing the best they can. Can we just let the music speak?

Works for me.
22  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: Pink Floyd Appreciation Thread on: April 10, 2019, 04:32:26 PM
Agreed as well. I’m not even that big of a fan of the Waters-dominated Floyd as much as what came before (although I love Animals and even the Final Cut, the Wall never did anything for me), the post-Waters Floyd for the most part had no spark .
23  Smiley Smile Stuff / The Beach Boys Media / Re: The *official* Brian/BB picture thread on: April 07, 2019, 09:08:40 PM
Until about 1990
24  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Last Beach Boys song you heard on the radio on: April 07, 2019, 05:11:23 PM
I literally just hear In My Car at Kroger just now and came here specifically to post that
Guess you were the master of your fate...  Grin


My daughter thought the lyric was something else LOL
25  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Last Beach Boys song you heard on the radio on: April 07, 2019, 12:05:55 PM
I literally just hear In My Car at Kroger just now and came here specifically to post that
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