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1  Smiley Smile Stuff / Welcome to the Smiley Smile board / Re: Ask the Moderators on: Today at 03:12:08 PM
Yeah that was a big wtf moment
2  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys Bootlegs Available! on: Today at 02:36:43 PM
Wow. I donít know why you had to do this publicly... privately wouldnít have been a problem at all. That took some balls but you know the rules and what I have to do.

Nothing personal.
3  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian's next solo album (NPP followup) speculation and info thread on: Today at 01:37:54 PM
Good point
4  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Sunshine Tomorrow 2 and Live Sunshine on: Today at 10:16:25 AM
Ahhh....thanks.
5  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Sunshine Tomorrow 2 and Live Sunshine on: Today at 01:11:48 AM
I think the fact it wasnít a physical release might be the main reason. Either that or it was in a different thread and the title wasnít as obvious? Not sure but Iíll check tomorrow when I wake up
6  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Sunshine Tomorrow 2 and Live Sunshine on: Yesterday at 11:25:16 PM
Sorry but is this the only thread with discussions for these releases?

I think so
7  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Sunshine Tomorrow 2 and Live Sunshine on: Yesterday at 11:24:54 PM
Good call Felipe regarding Brianís voice. The funny part is, I prefer that time period to before

Why?Huh?
i donít know exactly. Iíve always loved his falsetto in the harmony stack but not as much singing lead. His mid to upper natural range? My favorite out of any singer, ever
8  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian's next solo album (NPP followup) speculation and info thread on: Yesterday at 09:48:46 PM
That's right...I had forgotten
9  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian's next solo album (NPP followup) speculation and info thread on: Yesterday at 09:03:29 PM
Waddy Wachtel was on I just Wasn't Made for  These Times soundtrack, so there is some (brief) history there.
10  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Al Jardine - The Unsung Hero of BASS GUITAR on: Yesterday at 01:28:59 PM
Those pics are so cool. Al in general is one cool dude.
11  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: WIBN in final (?) Nancy comic strip on: Yesterday at 11:24:08 AM
Ok, no worries.
12  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: WIBN in final (?) Nancy comic strip on: Yesterday at 11:14:14 AM
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And OSD has decided to be silent ever since his original posts, I assume because someone in leadership told him that he screwed up and he should lay low. 

Nope. Haven't talked to him yet
13  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: WIBN in final (?) Nancy comic strip on: Yesterday at 11:12:44 AM
I think the best thing posters can do is accept all the things that this band has brought us - the good, the great, the bad, the ugly. Accept that Mike contributed a whole hell of a lot to the band, totally. Accept that Brian wasnít a perfect individual at times. Accept that Mike has a penchant for sticking his foot in his mouth, but also accept he had/has a bit to gripe about.

The second best thing for posters is the willingness to change your mind about your viewpoint if the evidence yields enough to warrant such a change. Iíve been pissed at Mike for the wrong reasons before, Iíve glorified certain parts of Brianís music that he didn’t even write. Be willing to accept when youíre wrong or when youíre right. This goes for anyone on both sides of the spectrum.

Very well stated.

As for the rest...where to begin? Ok here goes...

OSD having two accounts was addressed earlier. I am going to talk to him about which account he wants deleted. I remembered him having log in issues but wasn't 100%; thanks for refreshing my memory!  This is a completely different thing than a situation where one poster creates a completely different account in order to pretend to be someone else in order to troll the board, and/or cause issues. I resent the statement that OSD "pays the board's bills" for many reasons. 1) He doesn't.  2) Even if he did (which he doesn't), well, how would that affect me or GF in any way? It's not like we would see any of that money, so what benefit would that be? The insinuation is insulting, and quite frankly full of crap.

I also find it rich that the thread was jacked by the same people who complained about the thread getting hijacked in the first place by the Mike comments. Really?! Pot, meet kettle.

So here's the thing. Speaking for myself, I am sick to death of seeing this crap on the main board, regardless of who started it. There is/was a thread in the Sandbox to discuss moderation and comments/concerns.  I'd rather see this discussion there.  Just my personal feelings.

14  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread! on: February 20, 2018, 11:57:58 PM
Thatís sickening if true. I may be extremely critical of many of the choices heís made over the years , but thatís crossing the line. Nobody should have that level of hatred,and I will never understand that
15  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: WIBN in final (?) Nancy comic strip on: February 20, 2018, 11:49:12 PM
FYI...I showed my wife the edited cartoon with Here Comes the Night, and sheís dying laughing right now 😂
16  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian's next solo album (NPP followup) speculation and info thread on: February 20, 2018, 11:16:29 PM
Interesting... wonder if it is Blondie guesting on Brianís record, or the other way around...
17  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: WIBN in final (?) Nancy comic strip on: February 20, 2018, 09:48:24 PM
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If a small segment of people would start a ruckus when a fan showed up and posted, maybe that small segment is the problem that should be addressed.

Bingo...that segment. Problem is, it comes off more as "Oh, I don't like Craig or Billy so I'll post that all the people at SS are blah blah blah" with a few people at PSF, and of course the other way around.

Maybe the course would be to name the specific people directly (us here , and there at PSF) instead of lumping every body to gether
18  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: WIBN in final (?) Nancy comic strip on: February 20, 2018, 04:41:32 PM
LOL
19  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: WIBN in final (?) Nancy comic strip on: February 20, 2018, 03:35:51 PM
Just for the hell of it I typed Ďwouldnít it be niceí into google images. Nothing else, just as the cartoonist probably did. The single disc, as depicted, comes up. Forget credits as the artist probably knows nothing about the songs history.

I think some are reading too much into this.

I think so too
20  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: WIBN in final (?) Nancy comic strip on: February 20, 2018, 02:24:49 PM
I was thinking Dennis on the cover of POB
21  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: WIBN in final (?) Nancy comic strip on: February 20, 2018, 01:04:27 PM
LOL

I read a post on PSF earlier that mentioned Nancy's "soulless black eyes". Between that and this, I'm just dying over here.
22  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys 2018 Tour Thread on: February 20, 2018, 01:02:38 PM
Thereís a few others, but the oddest one is from Mujan/Super Metroid  who has stated that she felt upset that there was no response to the bullying she received , which is not true. Not only did I stick up for her, I banned the person doing the lions share of it... who now posts there at PSF , for what itís worth.

For the most part though, most of the people there are cool, no issues with steamboat, Becca, Will Harris, etc. itís the people like the ones GF mentioned that are an issue albeit increasingly smaller. I think most people on both boards have put the issues behind them.

I agree with you Billy. And I gotta say, Mujan is especially weird because I'd say that Smiley Smile is a much more open, socially progressive board than PSF and people like The Real Beach Boy and mikesbeard and other homophobic/transphobic types on that board.

It's a case of a few bad apples, not the whole board. It just bothers me that someone left for a specific reason that WAS being addressed, then calls us out for not addressing the issue. Well, that's not the only thing that bothers me about that, but that's a big part of it.
23  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: WIBN in final (?) Nancy comic strip on: February 20, 2018, 12:36:13 PM
True, and I think when we have one or two people there making snide comments, it causes a reaction like you mentioned, which causes another comment, which results in another comment, repeat ad nauseum.  Maybe it would help if one would call the specific person(s) out instead of the entire forum (talking to all sides here)
24  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: WIBN in final (?) Nancy comic strip on: February 20, 2018, 12:12:49 PM
How about the two forums quit taking shots at each other? It's a small percentage of people, true, but my God it's just the internet and we're all fans of the same band, right?  Lumping everybody in the same quality is the main issue causing this  IMHO.

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Here's a question.  If you have no interest in joining a forum, why bother lurking?  I post on both boards, as well as the BW Forum, and you'll see my opinions across both are pretty consistent.

I personally lurk because it would be mighty awkward to post there with the issues I've had with a small segment of posters there, and would likely prove to be disruptive. (I know that wasn't directed towards me; I just wanted to throw that out there)
25  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: WIBN in final (?) Nancy comic strip on: February 20, 2018, 10:42:02 AM
To answer guitarfool's original questions to me.  He probably contributed very little to the song and he probably deserves little credit.  That is beside the point though.

Here is my view of this, maybe some people will understand where I am coming from.

-Original post about the ending of an 85 year old comic strip that makes a pretty touching sendoff involving WIBN.  One of BW's most enduring and iconic moments.
-Immediate response of some regulars going non-sequitur to the original post about the ML writing credit issue and the usual chuckling emojis. 
-I call it toxic.  It is extracting this obtuse little sticking point from the comic, that has been discussed often here, and doing some good ol' repetitive ML sh!tpostin'.  To me that is toxic.
-Board leadership responds and is like "wait, are you disputing the idiocy of the ML writing credit litigation?"  That is really frustrating, I am not disputing that at all.  Why is that the immediate takeaway here upon seeing the WIBN 45 in the comic strip?  That is probably the biggest question that I have.
-People call me an ML apologist, I think?  I am not, I don't like the guy and it is weird that people immediately think that.
-I am called out in a thread outside of this one that I didn't post in.  Some people mock me.  Multiple oldsurferdude accounts swipe at me.  All of this is okay I guess.
-This thread becomes more about Mike's writing credit litigation.  And, not very much about any of the numerous other directions that the original topic has afforded.  Now I bet someone will say "wellllll why didn't YOU post something constructive in the thread then?" as if that is the only way in which I can criticise. 
-I wonder why more people don't agree with me, and then go on with my day.  Later!

Three people made a comment about a songwriting credit/relevant lawsuit and you respond by calling it ďSSMB toxic pollutionĒ. I tire of seeing the Smiley Smile message board name lugged in with the word ďtoxicĒ, or the Smiley Smile message board name continually mentioned in some disparaging way on this forum and on the PS Forum. After having yet again read another of KDSí passive aggressive swipes against this forum just the other day, its irritating for me to see the SSMB name tied together with the same talking point some PS Forum members have nauseatingly used to bash this forum.

The second post for this Nancy Comic thread on the PS Forum has someone joking about Mike suing over the label...is that PS Forum toxic pollution? No, itís one guy making a joke. If anyone had a problem with that personís comment, they would just logically call out that one guy and not lug in the entire PS Forum name with it. Likewise, three people here (myself included) made some comments about Mike. I totally get why you find our initial posts unnecessary, Iím not disagreeing with that. But three people on a message board of 100+ active members made some comments you donít feel belong in this thread...so call us out and donít make it an overall forum issue.

I only said that because different versions of this happen a lot.  If this was rare, and it was after 3 posts of ripping on ML, I certainly wouldn't have done so.  And I don't know what a Pet Sounds Forum is and I haven't been there so I am not going to comment on that.  I also want to thank you for what I think is a thoughtful reply.

I am starting to zero in more on my discontent and it would be- on most message boards (including this one) there is an off-topic section, and when posts veer off-topic they can be reclassified there.  I think that a lot of the repetitive ML sick burns that I see here are, in my eyes, veering completely off the topic (not counting threads that exist to rip on ML or are easy/obvious targets for it, which is fine, it is, after all, truth in advertising), yet on this forum it is never considered off-topic to pepper in a bunch of ML sh!tposting whenever any opportunity exists.  It gets OLD, and I guess that is my problem.  Do I blame the mods, or expect them to heavily police this place for that?  No, not at all.  Then I guess that either leaves blaming myself for getting annoyed, or blaming some posters that make hundreds or perhaps thousands of the same post, over and over again. 

"If you don't like it you can leave, have a sense of humor, you aren't the board gestapo/you are a fascist, you are stifling free speech, you are being really annoying, you are an ADG minion in disguise wearing an Adrian Baker mask and 1982 Radio Shack hat, etc etc etc."  Just helping peeps here get started with their replies. 

Iíll pose the same question to you as I did to KDS: Yes, we have a few people who make constant negative comments about Mike. Yet that doesnít mean the plethora other active members here need to be under the umbrella generalization of this place being ďtoxicĒ...does it?

That was my only point. I get that there are comments made against Mike that are completely irrelevant to certain threads (and I admit I posted a stupid joke in this thread that was totally unnecessary). It happens often but itís by the same two or three people, not the whole board. Most of my irritation is not with your post, but with the continuous banter I read on the PS Forum from posters like KDS who generalize this forum into one negative place for the sake of bringing up the PS Forum a few notches whilst ignoring the great content that is here.

The following isnít in response to you KP, just something I want to get out there: I totally admit that I generalized the PS Forum for a long time after it was created. I was pissed that certain people got a free pass considering the heft of their previous actions and I took it out on that forum as a whole. But in time I realize that the PS Forum has some great members and great conversation. Though I still canít figure out why certain posters were even allowed there in the first place (nor will I post there until theyíre inevitably banned), Iíve not bashed that forum as a whole in a while because it would be putting down a lot of good people. The same should go for the generalizations being made about the Smiley forum lately.

Completely agree, especially on the last paragraph
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