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1  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike working on yet another new album on: July 29, 2019, 05:58:20 AM
 Mikes album is currently Number 616 on the Amazon CD Sales Chart. It has not charted on the Billboard Top 200........Amazon and Billboard Top 200 are the respected industry standards for charts in my opinion.  Along with Sound Scan which is not readily available to the public.. As memory serves, TWGMTR was Number One on the Amazon Chart for many days. TWGMTR debuted at Number 3 on the Billboard Top 200 Chart. I remember reading somewhere, maybe Mikes book that Mike thought that while a number 3 debut was ok, the album  ( TWGMTR) didn't get any higher than Number Three so it wasn't that big of a deal !  Or something like that. If I remember correctly  NPP also peaked in the Top 15 of the Billboard Top 200.  Having said that,  there are many sub charts in both Amazon as well as Billboard. For example Top Country , Urban , AC, etc..... The Indie chart was usually reserved for Alternative  albums released by companies that had no major label distribution.   BMG is for certain a major label. I would guess that to qualify  Mike has a  label imprint with BMG and is not signed directly to the BMG label. So if you really  analyze this, the chart position as an Indie release would be technically correct. Although once again, Mike becomes his own worse enemy If he indeed were to boast that his solo record was TOP 17 because of this Indie qualification while saying that The last Beach Boy Record wasn't that well received. The sales difference between the two charts are miles apart. Even these days , or in 2012  a Top 3 Billboard Record would be somewhere north of 70,000 actual sales! I would venture to guess that Mikes solo album has sold less than 5,000 units to date. Im still happy to hear new music from Mike and compliment him that at age 75 plus he still cares enough to at least try. But lets cut the B S  as far as chart position.
2  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike working on yet another new album on: July 29, 2019, 05:35:36 AM
12 Sides Of Summer was number 17 on the UK Independent Album Breakers Top 20 this week (a chart for artists who haven't had a top 20 album).

Well, pop the champagne bottles!

Two quick points: Mike's album is 6 positions behind the new album from cartoon character "Peppa Pig".

And it's jarring in a way to see the other entries on what most would say are truly independent labels, while Mike's label is listed as "BMG", which is of course the name of one of the largest music corporations in the world. How is a record on "BMG" an indie release?



Obviously it isn't an amazing achievement. But, it's not like any of us, including Mike or BMG, was expecting it to top the charts. By getting into that chart it can be presumed it did better in the UK than either UTL or RFTS did, so they'll be happy.

Still, kids TV show music is big business - Bob the Builder has had as many number ones singles in the UK as the Beach Boys did...

Also, for whatever reason, BMG is counted as an indie by the OCC - number 9 in the main Independent Album Charts is also on BMG. Its not the only one on the list - WaterTower Music is a Warner thing and Rise Records is also BMG owned and both are also in the Indie Breakers list.

It just adds to my suspicion that this "chart" is a sham, when you have these labels that are under the umbrellas of the largest music corporations in the world being listed on an "independent" chart. It's pure crap! The true indie labels and artists that are on this ersatz chart, more power to them...but c'mon, calling releases that are under the BMG or Warner umbrellas "indie"?  

I'm well aware of the power and success of kids TV music, in fact since it's been 20 years or so I wonder how many people realize Simon Cowell made a name for himself by getting a Teletubbies record on the popular charts back in the day.

And Peppa Pig, yes that is a franchise that has grossed and brings in literally hundreds of millions in revenue...so what's it doing on an "indie" music list if it's a multi-million grossing franchise?

Makes no sense.


They have an rules enquiry email address, so I'll ask them. https://www.officialcharts.com/who-we-are/contact-us/

Still I was similarly confused and did more digging and it seems that the rules are basically just if its not owned by Universal Music Group, Warner Music Group or Sony Music Entertainment.

BMG is actually BMG Rights Management. It is not owned by Sony.
It was formed out of the parts of Sony BMG that Bertelsmann kept when Sony acquired the rest. So its not owned by Sony anymore.

Similarly, the label Peppa Pig came out on isn't on a major record label - its on eOne Music, a label owned by the TV/film company that own Peppa Pig. eOne is apparently the largest indie label in America.

In fact even that WaterTower Music that is owned by Warner is owned by the WarnerMedia - which doesn't own Warner Music Group anymore.

So while all these are owned by multibillion dollar companies, they aren't owned by the three multibillion dollar record labels so don't count as major label it seems.
Number 616 on Amazon Top CD Chart this morning
3  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike working on yet another new album on: July 29, 2019, 05:33:11 AM
12 Sides Of Summer was number 17 on the UK Independent Album Breakers Top 20 this week (a chart for artists who haven't had a top 20 album).

Well, pop the champagne bottles!

Two quick points: Mike's album is 6 positions behind the new album from cartoon character "Peppa Pig".

And it's jarring in a way to see the other entries on what most would say are truly independent labels, while Mike's label is listed as "BMG", which is of course the name of one of the largest music corporations in the world. How is a record on "BMG" an indie release?



Obviously it isn't an amazing achievement. But, it's not like any of us, including Mike or BMG, was expecting it to top the charts. By getting into that chart it can be presumed it did better in the UK than either UTL or RFTS did, so they'll be happy.

Still, kids TV show music is big business - Bob the Builder has had as many number ones singles in the UK as the Beach Boys did...

Also, for whatever reason, BMG is counted as an indie by the OCC - number 9 in the main Independent Album Charts is also on BMG. Its not the only one on the list - WaterTower Music is a Warner thing and Rise Records is also BMG owned and both are also in the Indie Breakers list.

It just adds to my suspicion that this "chart" is a sham, when you have these labels that are under the umbrellas of the largest music corporations in the world being listed on an "independent" chart. It's pure crap! The true indie labels and artists that are on this ersatz chart, more power to them...but c'mon, calling releases that are under the BMG or Warner umbrellas "indie"?  

I'm well aware of the power and success of kids TV music, in fact since it's been 20 years or so I wonder how many people realize Simon Cowell made a name for himself by getting a Teletubbies record on the popular charts back in the day.

And Peppa Pig, yes that is a franchise that has grossed and brings in literally hundreds of millions in revenue...so what's it doing on an "indie" music list if it's a multi-million grossing franchise?

Makes no sense.


They have an rules enquiry email address, so I'll ask them. https://www.officialcharts.com/who-we-are/contact-us/

Still I was similarly confused and did more digging and it seems that the rules are basically just if its not owned by Universal Music Group, Warner Music Group or Sony Music Entertainment.

BMG is actually BMG Rights Management. It is not owned by Sony.
It was formed out of the parts of Sony BMG that Bertelsmann kept when Sony acquired the rest. So its not owned by Sony anymore.

Similarly, the label Peppa Pig came out on isn't on a major record label - its on eOne Music, a label owned by the TV/film company that own Peppa Pig. eOne is apparently the largest indie label in America.

In fact even that WaterTower Music that is owned by Warner is owned by the WarnerMedia - which doesn't own Warner Music Group anymore.

So while all these are owned by multibillion dollar companies, they aren't owned by the three multibillion dollar record labels so don't count as major label it seems.
4  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Whatever Happened on: April 22, 2019, 03:02:05 PM
sounds like Al singing "your not there" at 1 minute 19.  What a precious track!  Brian , Al and David at their best!  Brian sounds young and sincere.  The chorus still gets me emotional. This could have been a stand out   on any mid sixties Beach Boys album.
5  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys Channel on Sirius XM on: August 27, 2018, 07:42:11 AM
I tend to agree with the Hey Jude opinion with a few additions. It really did seem to me that this was Mike Love driven. Sadly i think the average viewer who doesn't understand band politics is going to wonder why there are re makes of Do It Again and a focus on the 70 's and 80's Beach Boy Tracks. The Unleash  The Love stuff played often and i don't think its very good. I did hear TWGMTR enough and it stood out as a winner. I didn't hear much  of Summers Gone and the Suite material which was sad. I also thought that the songs were cut together poorly. I think many of this fan page contributors could have done a much better job of thematically placing songs. Custom Machine followed by TWGMTR  then God Only Knows makes no sense. If you gave fans advance warning  like on the other XM channels do ...... Perhaps Tuesday night would be the last Beach boy album in its entirety followed by some commentary, or Pet sounds in its entirety, Or a night of Car Songs , Surf Songs etc. Or Brian solo record night. Or even Mike Love solo record night. Im sure that XM would then be able to judge if perhaps Mike Love solo night surprised everyone and had more listeners that TWGMTR... unlikely but a fair way to then dictate why they kept  featuring Mikes remakes ...  And maybe we are all crazy and the majority of people just react to the hits. I didn't hear a lot of coordinated thought. i also felt that the interviews were rehashed self promoting  mostly by Mike and Bruce...
" I was with Lennon when The Maharishi" bs and such.... "I played Pet Sounds for Paul"..... also a lot of Brian is a genius ramble. I agree that he is, but why? Give us some great audio examples. How about more stack of tracks type of vocals with Bruce ( who knows a ton about harmonies ) Pointing out the different counterpoints and identifying who sang what....or even Brian giving us the inside info. All in all very vanilla..... I would have even liked to hear some engineering or studio anecdotes and not just Hal Blaine talking about how many tracks he played on...... last comment, some of the 80 's stuff really really sounds bad.  Both Brian and The Bands....The lyrics are embarrassing to the average listener. I was a bum I told a lie? Comon thats not going to attract a new era a BB fans. I also  heard way to much of the early Ten Little Indian type  material also. If your going to play an early instrumental how about playing Lets Go Trippen and hear David Marks tell us how much they were influenced by the track, or that they werent! Listen to the Garth Brooks station and you get a feel for where Garth got his persona. His influences. Billy Joel, Chris Ledoux Steve Miller, very surprising and informative.  I'd much rather hear a Four Freshman cut, or something lets say by Three Dog Night That Brian wished he'd produced or Jimmy Webbs ADIOS sung by Linda R  and Brian.... There was so much that could have been done and so little effort seemed to be made. Overall a C Plus.... Lets hope they get a second chance
6  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Everyone back together for a Beach Boys Q&A for Sirius XM? on: August 01, 2018, 08:14:19 AM
I wish Blondie were there also. I hear Sail On Sailor daily on the Sirius Channel.  I also hear  Holland and BB Live cuts. Blondie in my mind is every much as big a part of the mid BB period as David was the early times. And my guess is that David would agree. Im certain that having Blondie on the C50 tour was a monetary decision, but not having him at the interview in my opinion was just another example of The Beach Boys making an A Plus opportunity a B plus.  I  also would pay anything to see Blondie in Mikes Striped shirt!
7  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Denny's stature in the BBs, if he'd gotten proper credit on You Are So Beautiful on: June 26, 2018, 02:54:02 PM
What is the open secret? Some of us are not aware. It sounds like most have information that Dennis wrote  or co wrote the song. I'd love to hear the story. Was he in the studio with Preston? Details please.....
8  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys Channel on Sirius XM on: June 20, 2018, 07:18:37 AM
I think they ( whomever they would be) are doing a wonderful job with the channel! As a fan ,Ii feel blessed to be able to hear and listen to the BB's  ALL DAY , ANYDAY! After almost a month of listening , I'd like to forward my humble observations.

1) Warmth of The Sun Willie Nelson? wow ! what a great track......

2) Kokomo sounds pretty good also! You can see why it was a hit. Much maligned, but it stands up really well

3) Having said this  (2) it seems that the guys spent quite a bit of studio time searching for a follow up... It didn't happen. Carl seems checked out  and the vocal arrangements are very disappointing. Just a wall of processed chords with Simmons drum fills!  A low period for sure!

4) Cuddle Up, Summers Gone, Caroline No .....All Sound great, good to see that the guys dig deep. Not all fun in the sun.

5) After hearing Warmth of the Sun by Willie, I checked in to Stars and Stripes. Caroline No by Tim B  deserves some rotation. I haven't heard it yet

6) Its great to hear the simplicity of songs like Busy Doing Nothin, Friends , The Night was so Young  etc. Little gems that can easily be forgotten if not for a channel like this. Brian really seems to like milk and his kitchen! who else could immortalize those topics as well as he did?

7)TWGMTR! I hear it almost every hour! Too Bad this wasn't a monster hit. While i really do love the final 4 songs on the Beach Boys final  album , The actual song TWGMTR sounds like a perfect summer smash. I never get tired of hearing it. Translates very well to the radio. It sounds fresh without being gimmicky.

7) Its great to hear some of the early live songs from the 64 period. Girls screaming over the band. They were a really cool surf band with great harmonies even then!

I could go on forever. Thank you Sirius Radio. I find myself driving around and listening again, even if i have no where to go
9  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian's next solo album (NPP followup) speculation and info thread on: March 14, 2018, 05:59:20 AM
  If there was a tiff over auto tune in the studio I am  wondering why Mike  isn't now  blaming Thomas  for  slathering auto tune over his new album too! Mike must be certain that it was Thomas who used his pathological skills as a liar to convince whomever produced Mikes new album to let him sneak in and process the vocals without Mike knowing. The same way he  did it on TWGMTR, and he also must have snuck in to the venues that The Beach Boys were playing on the C 50 tour,  and then under orders from Melinda placed  auto tune devices in to the live sound rack! In other interviews, I've read where  Mike claimed that Thomas wasn't around enough, because he doesn't like to fly. So maybe Love should get his story strait. Any good pathological liar knows that! 
10  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson & Joe Thomas on: October 06, 2017, 12:54:38 PM
Looks like they worked on more than one song! Thats all the intel i have.
11  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson & Joe Thomas on: September 28, 2017, 01:19:06 PM
Without getting too inside , i have to state that I believe  the rumors of the  Thomas demise with respect to NPP  and RJR have been really exaggerated! I know one of the guitar players who played on Run James Run as well as another song on NPP. As of just a few months ago, he worked with both Brian and Thomas together at separate studios! I asked how. Something that  nobody thought of yet was his answer. He said  when they were recording,Brian was at Oceanway and Joe was at another studio with the guitar player, presumably in Nashville. He said Brian and Joe were on Skype laughing it up and that Brian seemed very involved and comfortable communicating with  Thomas on the   TV monitor they set up in the studio. He went on to say that other than a very short time delay, they communicated very well together! As if they had done this before. According to him,at one point Brian laughed that he was ordering at  In and Out Burger and it was sad that they couldn't share their usual studio meal  together.   Digital lines and skype  is a very common practice here in Nashville. Not the In and Out Burger part. My guess is that they are both very busy. And Id be willing to bet that whomever stated that Thomas was out because he wasn't at the final sessions in L A , may have left out this important detail. So as they say in Star Wars, it is true from a certain perspective that Thomas wasn't there in La. But from another it seems that Wilson and Thomas are possibly more high tech than we could have imagined.
12  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: \ on: September 12, 2017, 07:22:25 AM
Am I missing something here? It never says WHO is blocking the release. Im confused.
13  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Rolling Stone: The Salvation of Brian Wilson on: August 31, 2017, 10:19:51 AM
It seems to me  that  for whatever reason ( nerves?) Brian has a group of down pat answers when confronted on the spot or in a interview with a writer he perceives isnt in the know . Its actually kind of funny to me. I wouldn't take him seriously. To me its almost like he's speaking to some of his fans in code! "Im working on a Rock and Roll album" TRANSLATED "you haven't done your research on me so go away!" or "I haven't written a song in five years" TRANSLATED "If I have to answer one more question about the 50th anniversary tour I'm going to quit the business" I personally don't  give any credence to these Brian comments. On the other hand I agree that Jason Fine is one guy who stays patient enough to grab Brian when he is in a receptive mood, and also is a guy who Brian seems to respect enough to think about the way answers.
14  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Rolling Stone: The Salvation of Brian Wilson on: August 31, 2017, 10:11:38 AM
Interesting to hear Brian is thinking about doing a Rock and Rolll album Grin

That's the first we've heard about that. Grin

It's becoming the Chinese Democracy of the Beach Boys universe. 

That honor would have to go to the solo album Mike Love has been teasing for decades. Every few years since maybe the late 80's fans get talk like "oh, I'm working on a solo project and it should be out soon...it will surprise people...I have a great producer working on my songs...we'll have some surprises on there!..." and fans get nothing. Oh, and in recent years he has his "insiders" teasing it too, online...but still no solo album. He posts photos of himself and sometimes Bruce with him in various studios from Somerville, MA to Tahoe to La Jolla or wherever he was...surrounded by gear and usually at least one studio guy wearing a Kangol cap at the mixing board during these sessions...but still no solo album.

And instead his fans get Beach Boys remakes and rerecords that are usually sounding like they're 15-20 years past their commercial expiration date and end up getting shredded in the public reactions to them.

Pony up, Mike! Where's that solo album? Maybe if Mike and Axl can get off the road for a few days they can meet up and kvetch about pain in the ass former bandmates over some wheatgrass health shakes, and discuss a collaboration that won't see the light of day.
15  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian's next solo album (NPP followup) speculation and info thread on: July 17, 2017, 12:19:36 PM
I would love to discuss the merits of TWGMTR as a retrospective. Too many juices flowing back then for many fans. Now that it looks like it will be the last ever BB album It deserves another look. As far as the Live album, I don't think we will ever know what went on from a recording standpoint. Ive read Mikes book and there is a mystery to be solved or not. I was at several of the shows and I just like to listen to remember what I saw. Sad it won't happen again. But I'd love to hear Thomas side of the story.  I  have heard his recordings and Live releases with Tom Petty , and Fleetwood Mac and Dave Matthews. They are very well done. As was The Brian Wilson and Friends Recording on DVD. I can't believe that with C50 he was not dealt a difficult hand to begin with.

I've not read Mike's book, but I heard he talked about autotune devices being installed on microphones (am I remembering correctly?)? I am certain that that's not possible at all...if autotune occurs it is done with a computer near the soundboard. Listen to any performance on YouTube of any C50 concert, especially the Chiba concert - the vocals sound pristine as anything. But yet we got a disaster with the C50 album. Mike sounds like a friggin robot on half of the songs as does half the band on any given song. It really was a shame, I never made it to any C50 concerts so I was hoping for a great sounding record to capture that magic.


Id rather just wait to discuss TWGMTR ! Sounds like more fun.
16  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian's next solo album (NPP followup) speculation and info thread on: July 17, 2017, 12:07:51 PM
I would love to discuss the merits of TWGMTR as a retrospective. Too many juices flowing back then for many fans. Now that it looks like it will be the last ever BB album It deserves another look. As far as the Live album, I don't think we will ever know what went on from a recording standpoint. Ive read Mikes book and there is a mystery to be solved or not. I was at several of the shows and I just like to listen to remember what I saw. Sad it won't happen again. But I'd love to hear Thomas side of the story.  I  have heard his recordings and Live releases with Tom Petty , and Fleetwood Mac and Dave Matthews. They are very well done. As was The Brian Wilson and Friends Recording on DVD. I can't believe that with C50 he was not dealt a difficult hand to begin with.
17  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian's next solo album (NPP followup) speculation and info thread on: July 17, 2017, 11:47:51 AM
Wow, a disturbance in the force!I couldn't agree more. NPP was very special! There were a few nay sayers who seem to have hijacked the rest of our listening experience. Seems like all that was talked about was auto tune or not , adult contemporary or not etc. Loved NPP! Loved most of C50. Cant wait to hear RJR, The Beck sessions. Anyone Brian wants to work with is ok with me. from Mike Love on! Maybe we can start talking about the brilliance of these last two albums. Ill agree with someone previous "Whatever Happened" is haunting . and disagree with another. On From There To Back Again, Al's voice seems triple tracked , and I like the result.
18  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian's next solo album (NPP followup) speculation and info thread on: July 17, 2017, 11:42:30 AM


I think one of the tragedies of the reactions to NPP album overall is that too many listeners got caught up in the bullshit that surrounded the discussions (and in some cases the bullshitters who were the perpetrators) and a lot of those really unique and very cool musical moments didn't get noticed.

Maybe that's why revisiting and reevaluating albums like NPP or even Gershwin or the Christmas album every so often can lead to some really satisfying listening experiences, if not discovering elements that were missed on earlier listening sessions. There are a lot of those Brian Moments in those grooves.
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I totally agree, GF. There are so many great moments in NPP - sonic moments that are pure Brian Wilson. 'Sail Away' has one in the second part of the first chorus - there is a very low horn in the right speaker that adds such a depth to that chorus...reminds me of those special instrumental moments on Pet Sounds when one sole instrument would subtly add so much to a section...only upon a close listen would you realize why it sounds that way.

So many of these moments were overlooked by so many; it was more important for some to childishly mock the entire fuckin album instead of appreciating what a gift it really is. Really glad to see people are giving it another look years later. I think it'll go down as one of his better solo albums.
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19  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian's next solo album (NPP followup) speculation and info thread on: July 17, 2017, 09:10:30 AM
Sounds like a plausible scenario. Maybe interference wasn't what was provided, maybe Thomas was busy. He is  in Nashville a bunch. Mike Love says he hates flying in his book. Maybe he didn't want to come to LA . I just listened to the tracks and the production sounds pretty consistent to me. If Brian is in fact auto tuned  then whoever is doing it did it to the two Scott Bennet Productions also.Or maybe these days they just ship Thomas  the tracks so he can auto tune them once they record them perfectly! ( just kidding of course)
20  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Quentin Tarantino Prepping New Movie Tackling Manson Murders on: July 17, 2017, 07:26:39 AM
I see it was reported that Sharon Tate's sister doesn't like the idea of casting Jennifer Lawrence as Sharon. Not pretty enough! I can see this film becoming a very polarizing event! i would love to see Brian write a track like the Fire sequence for the movie. something very disturbing like Happy Days are Here Again from Imagination.
21  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: New Mike Single on: July 13, 2017, 10:56:06 AM
And one last point, dont Brian and Al receive money for The Beach Boys name that Mike is licensing? If they are worried about their image, wouldn't they stop? I don't suspect that Brian at least really needs the income. So he or his team don't seem to be that worried.
22  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: New Mike Single on: July 13, 2017, 10:52:58 AM
I respect your opinion. And agree that the BB's do not sit at their rightful seat at the Rock legacy lunch table. And I also agree that Mike playing golf course openings and having dancing girls on stage ( in the 90's) hurt the brand. I also hate the fact that the 50th reunion was cut short, on and on. My little point is that Mike is just furthering his  tarnished image and not harming Brian's or really the Beach Boys with this particular re make. And in a way I think Mike does keep the band legacy going to a certain degree. These days better than ever with  his  current incarnation of the band. I would like to sit down with Mike and his people and try to convince him that the 17th remake of this song wouldn't have been my choice. But in a obtuse way I think it just adds to Brian's legacy rather than take it away. And it makes most people miss Carl and Dennis and Al and Brian and Blondie even  David more. What Might  Have Been as the song goes. But I do get upset when we take it too far and start ripping everyone who trys. Mark has fans, Stamos has fans. and Mike Love has fans that might really like this. Ive heard some pretty bad covers of Brian's material , Ive always looked at it as a honor for Brian, and if I thought the cover sucked, I just didn't play it again, rather than trash the band or singer for trying. Didn't William Shatner do a cover of MR BOJANGLES once? I m sure I didn't like it, but I do not think that The Nitty Gritty Dirt Bands image was tarnished by it.
23  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: New Mike Single on: July 13, 2017, 10:28:23 AM
I was of course kidding about Kevin Love, and of course I care as much as anybody about the quality. All humor aside, my point is that  I do not think Mikes version of Do It Again will be an embarrassment. Mikes band has made some very nice improvements since the 50 th . Im sure his current band took a lot of time trying to make a credible version of the song.  Maybe I'm just tired of the Brian's legacy is going to be ruined implications. Mike is his own worse enemy when he speaks. On the music side its all very subjective. Ive heard some of the Andy Paley Sessions material that is worshiped on these posts, Ive passed it on to my friends. Many thought I was kidding when I said it might be released.  They thought it must have been Brian just screwing with all of us!  The vocals and production took a lot of getting used to for me also. One persons raw is another persons sloppy. Stamos is no John Bonham,  or even  Dennis, but does the song require  those guys or Keith Moon drumming on it? And some people even like Sugar Ray!
24  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: New Mike Single on: July 13, 2017, 08:52:15 AM
I do not believe that Mike Love or  even Kevin Love for that matter  releasing Do It Again hurts the BB legacy or Brian's artistic legacy in the least. People other than the "insiders"  will  judge the song on its own merits. If it sounds good they will like it. If it doesn't they will ignore it and not give it another thought. Stamos and Mark are popular  with certain fans. The sooner message board followers come to grips with that ,  the better in my opinion. I am interested in hearing anything from the  band members. If David Marks put out his version of the song I would listen. If it was great , I would  pass it on to my friends. If it wasn't, I would just file it away, without any disparaging comments and wait for Al Jardine to cut Do It Again with one of his grand children. But thats just me!
25  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: New Brian Wilson comp coming with \ on: June 20, 2017, 11:23:43 AM
I like all of the suggestions.  I have two additions, one obvious at least to me. Your Imagination and one less obvious in One For The Boys. I am curious why no-one has mentioned the latter. am I missing something? it seems very heart felt very Brian, and especially with what I have read about Brian saving songs only for the Beach Boys, very true to Brian's thoughts
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