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1  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Billy Hinsche 1951-2021 on: November 20, 2021, 09:11:02 PM
Truly one of the nicest people I ever got to meet in the BB stratosphere.  A great musician and singer and an even better person.  The ultimate testament to Billy was the fact that he always left you with a smile.  RIP Billy!
2  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys 2021 Feel Flows World Tour Thread on: August 05, 2021, 11:03:23 AM
You guys are getting a bit ridiculous with this subltle and not so subtle Mike Love hate.  By My count this was a band that had 26 public performances since July of 2020, its a safe bet to say they "werent in the groove" when this performance was given.  Give the guys a chance to get back into the swing of things.  For a band that normally does 150 shows a year only doing 30 up to the date of this concert is tough.  Im sure that Brians band will be off when he gets back out there as well.   And for the love of Christ please keep in mind this is a shitty camera mic trying to pick up an extermely loud band being blasted at it.  Not all cameras/mics are created equal. 
3  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys 2021 Feel Flows World Tour Thread on: July 23, 2021, 10:23:25 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u32_8YzmJUg

A pretty decent crowd shot video of Feel Flows, Christian does a fine job on the lead here, and the band does a damn fine job!  Loved seeing this.
4  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian's vocal decline - when is it first noticeable to you? on: January 18, 2021, 07:03:13 AM
This is just my opinion and nothing else, but the last couple of years its been very noticeable the decline in Brian's voice.  Up until about 2016 he could hold a note longer and wouldn't do the talk/sing he does now.  Understandably he's pushing 80, but it kind of seemed to happen quickly for Brian.  The times that I saw him live in 2008 (TLOS) 2012 and 2013 his voice was really really strong. 
5  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Bruce living in a memory facility in Santa Barbara? on: November 15, 2020, 05:55:45 PM
I would find that hard to believe as he traveled with the band for the last 2 shows they had in Utah, interestingly Scott Totten was not there and Randell took his place.
6  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys 2020 Tour Thread on: July 16, 2020, 10:11:50 AM
Thanks for the replies to my question. I'd like to clarify more where I'm coming from and my thoughts on this. Ultimately they can do whatever they want, but in the current situation it just seems nonsensical top to bottom.

Of course Mike and the band would want to play, but they're not alone obviously, and there are hundreds of thousands if not millions of musicians and crew and staff who depend on live shows for a living who cannot work due to an unprecedented outbreak. That's just stating the obvious, but nearly everyone who works in and around the live entertainment industry is basically screwed over by this in either very large or somewhat substantial ways. And that includes me too as a musician, with friends who work in the business from Broadway to people who gig weekly. So yes, the fact they want to play and Mike loves to play is one thing, but no one is able to in any kind of normal capacity minus the buskers or people playing outdoors for 20 people eating dinner. It sucks, but Mike and the guys are not alone.

My issue, separate from the obvious health and safety issues as others addressed, is that playing this gig in Nebraska makes absolutely no sense from a purely logistical sense, not to mention the operations involved and the financial angle too.

Why, but why, would Mike take the crew to Nebraska for one gig on August 2, fly (or ride) home to the west coast, then fly to Ohio for the balloon festival on the 13th, then fly home again and wait over a month for the next gigs on the east coast, which aren't even guaranteed to happen at this point? It makes no sense! Even if the guys are chomping at the bit to play, these gigs wouldn't pay the bills for travel and logistics alone.

Beyond that, the Ohio balloon fest gig still has a "sold out" meet-and-greet listed on their website. Obviously that would have to change, I can't see running a meet and greet under these conditions and I wouldn't want to see Mike or Bruce or any of their fans have to get sick over something so inconsequential as a VIP package for fans.

So I seriously don't get it at all - Two gigs, over 10 days apart, in entirely different parts of the US and miles away from where the band is headquartered. Wanting to play gigs is one thing, but everyone is in the same boat, the entire mid-level to large-capacity entertainment and sports worlds have basically written off 2020 as a total loss, and here's Mike booked to play two random gigs in August. I hope he reconsiders, and I don't mean that with anything but concern for all involved. And yes, it sucks for the fans who want to see them or live bands in general, but there are a lot of things that suck right now which can't be postponed to 2021.

I can tell you for a fact that I have seen the band have a 4 of 5 day break in their summer touring schedule and they have all gone home for those 4 or 5 days.  I would imagine if these gigs both do go on as scheduled they would most likely fly in the day before if not the day of the Nebraska event and stay overnight the night of the event and then return home and or drive in for the Ohio event.  One thing to keep in mind is that it would depend on how the contracts are drawn up if the promoter or meleco is responsible for the travel costs associated with show.  I honestly have no clue how that is worked out.  But I would be willing to bet dollars to donuts if both events go on as scheduled band and crew go home between events. 

As far as why a show in Nebraska?  I have not earthly idea why it is going on as scheduled.  Purely off of my own speculation Mike must feel like the venue has measures in place to keep it safe and I would imagine that comparatively speaking the numbers aren't quite as bad as a lot of the other states.  I know a lot of that has to do with population density and contributing factors, but apparently the promoter and the band, and at this point the state government feel like its safe to go to a concert in Nebraska. 
7  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys 2020 Tour Thread on: July 15, 2020, 01:00:32 PM
In a way this kind of reminds me of the line from Field of Dreams, If you build it they will come.  If they have the concert and enough tickets are sold that it becomes financially viable for the promoter to not have to cancel than so be it.  Like I said previously, I find no fault in people enjoying a concert if its done with social distancing and facial coverings.  Personally I would not go to a concert that did not have any type of social distancing and facial covering rules already in place.  Ultimately I guess this all boils down to the comfort level of the patrons willing to attend and the comfort of the band members to adequately and safely put on a show.
8  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys 2020 Tour Thread on: July 15, 2020, 11:47:39 AM
Before we get to our customary Mike bashing, and Mike and Donald Trump are buddies spewing arguments, lets use some basic common sense and take a look at what the science and the facts are telling us.  I will state openly I hold no opposition to Mike bringing the band back out on the road, to venues that have a feasible social distancing and face covering policy in place.  I agree with what was previously said about Mike and Bruce both being older and more susceptible to having a weakened immune system given their advanced ages.  Specifically to the concert that is being talked about above lets just use some raw data.  As of 7/12 Nebraska had something like 21,214 confirmed cases with 296 deaths.  According to the information that I sourced out just under 50% of the cases are from people from the ages of 20-44.  Roughly 35 percent of the cases are ages 44 and above.  This data I just shared was directly from the department of health for Nebraska's website.  With that being said, the target demographic for this concert is most likely those 44 and above, so by default the most likely patrons for this concert in Nebraska would be some of the lesser effected populations in the state.  The fans that would be going are less likely to be bringing the disease with them statistically speaking.  Another  tidbit that should be considered is the transmission rates for the disease.  When social distancing is practiced the transmission rate for COVID-19 drops 90%.  When social distancing is not practiced and only facial coverings are worn the transmission rate drops 65%.  All of this information was sourced from https://www.ucdavis.edu/coronavirus/news/your-mask-cuts-own-risk-65-percent/ .  Ultimately the decision to attend is based off comfort level, but I would say that if the venue has a mandatory social distancing and facial covering policy that I would go to the concert with out fear of reprisal. 


And here we go again with the "Mike bashing" routine. So fans can't post their opinions unless they agree with Mike up and down the list, or fans can't disagree with this kind of decision without being called haters or bashers?

I'll take a different tact in this reply and ask a direct question of you, as I recall from some previous discussions you seem to have more knowledge of the touring band's activities than the average fan. Considering how most of the other scheduled gigs surrounding this one in Nebraska have been rescheduled or cancelled outright...

What is so important about Mike doing this particular gig that makes it worth the effort to play for what could be around 2,000 fans or less in Nebraska?

In this case I'm gonna comment on your intent prior to the content of your question.  I think its fair to say the intent of your question is that you don't find it necessary for The Beach Boys or any band to get out and gig in this current climate, and half of me agrees with you on that GF.  We all know Mike doesn't "need the money" that this particular gig or any gig in the rest of 2020 would pay him.  But one thought I would posit here, I would imagine that the main source of income for most of the band members is this gig.  Mike may feel a sense of urgency to get all of his MELECO employees (Band and Road Crew) a "pay day".  I don't claim that to be a fact, I'm not aware of nor do I care to have knowledge of any band members financial status, that is just purely an observation I am making. 
9  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys 2020 Tour Thread on: July 13, 2020, 07:40:43 AM
Before we get to our customary Mike bashing, and Mike and Donald Trump are buddies spewing arguments, lets use some basic common sense and take a look at what the science and the facts are telling us.  I will state openly I hold no opposition to Mike bringing the band back out on the road, to venues that have a feasible social distancing and face covering policy in place.  I agree with what was previously said about Mike and Bruce both being older and more susceptible to having a weakened immune system given their advanced ages.  Specifically to the concert that is being talked about above lets just use some raw data.  As of 7/12 Nebraska had something like 21,214 confirmed cases with 296 deaths.  According to the information that I sourced out just under 50% of the cases are from people from the ages of 20-44.  Roughly 35 percent of the cases are ages 44 and above.  This data I just shared was directly from the department of health for Nebraska's website.  With that being said, the target demographic for this concert is most likely those 44 and above, so by default the most likely patrons for this concert in Nebraska would be some of the lesser effected populations in the state.  The fans that would be going are less likely to be bringing the disease with them statistically speaking.  Another  tidbit that should be considered is the transmission rates for the disease.  When social distancing is practiced the transmission rate for COVID-19 drops 90%.  When social distancing is not practiced and only facial coverings are worn the transmission rate drops 65%.  All of this information was sourced from https://www.ucdavis.edu/coronavirus/news/your-mask-cuts-own-risk-65-percent/ .  Ultimately the decision to attend is based off comfort level, but I would say that if the venue has a mandatory social distancing and facial covering policy that I would go to the concert with out fear of reprisal. 
10  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Please sign petition for Beach Boys to withdraw from performing on 2/5/20 on: February 03, 2020, 06:41:55 PM
My intended point was not to stir sh*t but to simply point out that its my opinion that it was probably some one other than Brian who used his social media accounts which would have far more followers than whoever it actually was that type the message.  Also if Brian and Al are so against The Beach Boys doing this show, why don't they donate their portions of the cut to the Sierra club or some other worthy conservation organization.  
11  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Please sign petition for Beach Boys to withdraw from performing on 2/5/20 on: February 03, 2020, 05:53:14 PM
Something seems slightly fishy about this, I highly doubt Brian was even aware of this concert before this was brought up to him.  Further I would also be willing to bet large sums it definitely was not Brian himself who posted this to his social media.  My own personal opinion and speculation is this has Melinda's handwriting all over it.  Again no proof but just my opinion, probably she was a away to stick a dagger to Mike, using Brian's name.  If Brian and Alan are so against this show happening, I would challenge them to not accept their cut of the 10 or 15 percent commission that Mike will end up paying to BRI for this show.  By my math Al and Brian combined stand to make 2,500 to 3,750 together just for this show.  
12  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread on: January 22, 2020, 11:42:38 AM
Guitarfool, I guess my basic gripe is as a consumer that I don’t feel the price for a decent ticket to see Brian and company is commensurate with the product.  As a consumer I feel as though if I’m going to put out in excess of 100 US dollars for a good seat, that I would like to see a little more than a 30 song greatest hits show.  I had no problem shelling how 100 dollars for That Lucky Old Sun tour or the Smile tour or even The Beach Boys reunion tour or the Jeff Beck double bill.  Personally for me 100 bucks for the novelty of seeing Brian is a bit steep for a greatest hits show and the declining vocals.   
13  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread on: January 22, 2020, 09:43:48 AM
I don't see this as a Brian should retire thread or a The Beach Boys vs Brian Wilson in show quality debate.  In my original post I tried my best to be as objective and narrow to the topic as possible.  I believe there is and should be room to delve into the discussion of the quality of a Brian Wilson or Beach Boys show.  Yes there are many with strong feelings to either side of the debate however we as fans should not have reservations about discussing any assessments we can see of the show.  I view this as more of an honest discussion based off of fellow fans perceptions and feelings and observations.  While yes its my opinion that Brian should consider retiring form live shows, I do not believe that it would make me any less of a fan of his.  There are many people here with varying and astute and educated opinions, that we would be wise to consider. 
14  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread on: January 21, 2020, 05:42:12 PM
I think its time for Brian to give up the ghost on his live shows.  It pains me much to say that, but it seems to be abundantly clear that he is surrounding himself with more vocalist to take some of the burden off.  Between Al and Blondie and Matt taking some leads that he himself might not sound the best on or leads that he never sang lead on to begin with, sometimes its quite heart breaking to see him on stage.  With everything that he has been through and with is advance age sometimes it just seems unfair to see him out there.  With what can be seen on youtube it appears his shows seem to be declining in length and in quality, which will most likely effect ticket sales of future events.   I consider myself a hardcore fan of all things Beach Boys related but I would never pay the asking price for these greatest hits shows based off what I have seen. 
15  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Jeff Foskett on: November 21, 2019, 05:01:53 PM
For those that wanted to know what happened to JF y'all found out today.  Jeff is a good man, sad to see him have to go through what he has went though.  Glad that he got to tell people the way he wanted to tell them with out the word ever slipping out.  Good vibes, thoughts and prays for Mr. Foskett.
16  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Jeff Foskett on: October 14, 2019, 10:06:32 AM
Foskett was not ousted, 100% fact, he has sat in with the band a few times since 2019.  Jeff is approaching his mid 60's, maybe he wanted a break, who knows. 
17  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Pro Shot Beach Boys Concerts on: October 07, 2019, 09:48:32 AM
I think you guys are being a little harsh on this video.  Keep in mind this was probably done in a not so acoustic friendly environment.   Also after reviewing the video you can see that Cowsill was missing the mid-tom drum that he usually gigs with which definitely would alter his playing essentially on all the songs on the set.  I'm willing to bed the set up was sub par at best, however to my ears they still sounded fine. 
18  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys 2019 Tour Thread on: April 13, 2019, 05:58:18 PM
Hey Rubber Soul how bout you get your facts straight.  Yes Brucie's piano isnt that high up in the mix. but you to also consider, his piano is an accompaniment to the overall sound.  If you know what to listen for you can quite clearly hear his keyboard live.  For most of the songs he plays a choked 12 string which is meant to accompany the mix, not to be its own stand alone sound.  But I urge you to go back to listen to darlin, and to the semi bridge of good vibrations he plays the tack piano part .  Also if you listen to Hawaii close enough you will actually hear him adding bending of the notes hes playing which is quite prominent.  Obviously he is lead on Disney Girls when its in the set, but his piano is audible you just have to actually listen for it.
19  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: What Happened to jeffrey Foskett?? on: March 16, 2019, 10:32:36 PM
Just an FYI having spoke to members of the band during that tour they were all sick with laryngitis on the second half of the tour.  That tour was brutal, lots of miles and lots of shows in a short amount of time with some long set lists.  Tough travel and short periods of time make it tough to recover.  In my opinion Ike’s falsetto is a bit lackluster to me.  His tenor range is impeccable to my ears.  My opinion is that Randell or Jeffrey’s falsetto blends better with this incarnation.
20  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys 2018 Tour Thread on: March 07, 2018, 09:56:26 AM
Having talked to C Love i get the impression he is back full time.  IMO his voice adds a balance to the middle third harmonies that was not there since he left. 
21  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike's Money Machine on: February 26, 2018, 11:17:03 AM
I find it incredibly hard to believe that the touring Beach Boys would make 23 million USD in one touring year.  Based off what I know for the asking price of the touring band I would say a much safer estimate would be in the 7 to 9 million dollars a year range.
22  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike & Bruce 2018 Tour Thread on: February 12, 2018, 03:32:31 PM
Christian's voice really helps to fill out the middle third in my opinion.  I'm so glad he is back, just wish he had more vox to sing lead on.  Did anyone else hear the vocal stacking on Why Do Fools Fall In Love, the band has 2 legitimate and excellent falsetto singers and yet "Scotty T" and his thin falsetto take the lead on it.  Sounded awful!
23  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson - 2017 Tour Thread (Pet Sounds - The Final Performances) on: October 09, 2017, 10:40:44 AM
Am I the only one that refuses to pay the bloated ticket prices he was commanding for this Pet Sounds Final Performaces malarky?  Im a huge Brian fan but I just find this tour an insult to my wallet and my intelligence.
24  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike Love - Unleash the Love - Due November 17 - w/ 2nd Disc of BB Remakes on: October 07, 2017, 11:20:34 AM
I talked to some one inside the Mike Love camp today who confirmed that Mike recorded lead vocals for Too Cruel and I Don't Wanna Know.  I for one am highly disappointed that he took Christian's vocals off both songs. 
25  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike Love \ on: August 17, 2016, 02:03:02 PM
Mike literally was telling the truth here, he didn't sugar coat it hide behind anything.  We may choose to have a certain level of disdain for how he chose to articulate or convey his thoughts but let me ask this question.  Can we really disagree with what Mike is saying?
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