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26  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson 2016 Tour Thread (Pet Sounds 50th Anniversary Tour) on: October 08, 2016, 11:05:43 AM
Who is covering on keys now? I heard Darian was not in Portland and his sub was a new person?
27  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson Falsetto on Forever wembley 9-28-2012 on: July 05, 2016, 02:30:03 PM
Great find!
28  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / Smiley Smilers Who Make Music / Re: The e-Collaboration Thread (Prayer, Little Bird, Soulful Old Man Sunshine) on: July 04, 2016, 06:46:59 PM
I'd be interested.  I missed out on all the original e-collabs and just found this thread.
29  Smiley Smile Stuff / The Beach Boys Media / Re: My DEFINITIVE re-imaginings/fanedits of the mid-70s/early 80s output on: July 04, 2016, 06:39:49 PM
Really great stuff here, thank you!
30  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Recording Pet Sounds This Weekend At Capitol on: June 12, 2016, 09:03:02 PM
Can anyone confirm if all or any of Brian's band are on a retainer?

No way the the whole band is on retainer.  They are contractors.  At one point JF was on retainer, but i believe he was the only one.
31  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Pet Sounds 50 track listing on: June 05, 2016, 10:27:13 PM
Pre-orders are up on Amazon.com for the various iterations of the release. June 10, 2016 is the expected release date.
Wouldn't it be nice if they released it on May 16, 2016?

50 years wasn't enough time to get this ready-- Capitol needed that extra month.
32  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: CONCERT: National Memorial Day Concert for 2016 with The Beach Boys on: June 03, 2016, 10:01:17 AM
Perhaps the orchestra was live, but certainly the band was playing along to a prerecorded instrumental and singing along to prerecorded vocals.  The audience (in person and broadcast) heard only the prerecorded track.

Visual example of prerecorded instrumental (watch keyboard hands) : https://youtu.be/eF8JIoAp310?t=392
Visual example of prerecorded vocal (watch Jeff on the word "nice") : https://youtu.be/eF8JIoAp310?t=541

Also you can hear Cowsill in the mix but he has no mic.

Removing any further doubt, this medley on German TV earlier this year uses the exact same prerecorded tracks, though the medley itself is different: https://youtu.be/f2uckN9U6Vo?t=498

And if anyone saw the post this morning about the BBs live on Fox, the exact same prerecord from the German TV show was used for the Wouldn't it Be Nice/I Get Around medley: http://video.foxnews.com/v/4926123898001/after-the-show-show-the-beach-boys-perform-/?playlist_id=930909787001

I'm guessing this is a way to ensure that they get a decent mix instead of relying on in house sound people for whatever show they are on to do a good job. 
33  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: CONCERT: National Memorial Day Concert for 2016 with The Beach Boys on: June 02, 2016, 11:00:56 PM
When the rehearsal audio is laid over to the performance audio, it is identical. Not close like you'd expect from professional, seasoned musicians who have played these songs thousands of times.  Identical.

If they had played to a click, or just prerecorded instruments with live vocals, there would be some noticeable differences, in the same way that there are noticeable differences in the double tracked lead vocals in many of our favorite Beach Boys tracks.  You can watch 10 different live versions of Jeff singing Good Vibrations over the last few years and pick out slight differences in phrasing and pitch if you are paying close enough attention.

As I said earlier in this post, I doubt it was the band's choice to mime it.  It isn't a big deal that it was prerecorded.  I just wish some of the vocal processing was more transparent.  But I thought that about the C50 live release as well.

Curious to hear if Bruce offers any context for the prerecord.  Good discussion on here.
34  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: CONCERT: National Memorial Day Concert for 2016 with The Beach Boys on: June 02, 2016, 02:06:20 PM
Stephen: There are fan videos of the rehearsals held prior to the show on the National Mall, specifically check out Good Vibrations. If you try lining that rehearsal up with the official PBS video of the evening concert, the performances seem to match perfectly

Yep.  I'm sure playing back and mime-ing a precorded track was necessary or else the band would've chosen to do it live.  I saw them live last year and the new lineup is IMHO the best sounding live touring version of this band in the last 15 years.

Not to get too forensic-y, but I enjoy the details so here I go:

Scott has that unmistakable pitch corrected sound on his solo part before the rest of group comes in: https://youtu.be/eF8JIoAp310?t=269
Also, who is singing the Ba ba ba ba ba with Mike?  Clearly the louder voice on that part isn't Mike.  I don't actually hear Mike at all singing that part, but his lips are.  It sounds like Brian E, but Brian E is miming the higher falsetto part behind Mike.  And I hear Cowsill in the GV choruses but he has no mic at this show.
35  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: BBs headlining Memorial Day concert in DC on: May 30, 2016, 11:16:19 AM
JF sounded great on Good Vibrations.  Just wish it was actually live.  Besides the obvious things mentioned above like the autotune and lack of guitar pedals (not to mention no vocal mic on Cowsill), this part made me laugh: https://youtu.be/eF8JIoAp310?t=389 

Ooops.
36  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016 on: May 29, 2016, 06:55:31 PM
Upon further review, it seems that much if not all of this is prerecorded.  Bummer.  Mike is swimming in autotune.
37  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016 on: May 29, 2016, 06:49:55 PM
You can watch the live stream here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTNNU7qzcWc

And reverse it to the Beach Boys set.  Jeff sounds great on GV lead.
38  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Beach Boys - Pet Sounds Live - your own edits on: May 28, 2016, 10:52:34 AM
I would likely pull at least a couple from the 1993 Paramount Theater show.
39  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016 on: May 25, 2016, 02:35:57 PM
Who was singing the lead on 'Rhonda' in the Mike and Bruce show before? 

Phil Bardowell from 1998-2000, John Cowsill from 2000-2015.

Also, during the very short period of time in 1998 after Al was gone, but while Matt Jardine was still in the band, he (Matt) sang Rhonda.

Chris Farmer also sang Rhonda sometimes when he was with the band.  Or at least once that I saw live.
40  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson 2016 Tour Thread (Pet Sounds 50th Anniversary Tour) on: May 20, 2016, 04:00:01 PM
All of these posts NOT about Brian's current tour should be moved.  I clicked here to read about tour.
41  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Where did that website with Beach Boys vocal charts go? on: May 18, 2016, 05:24:45 PM
This is a great idea-- if a few of us saved a lot, we might be able to patchwork it back together.  I don't see any reason why we couldn't post it, but I'm not a lawyer.
42  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016 on: May 16, 2016, 10:48:27 PM
This is my favorite touring version of the BBs since Carl passed and Al left.  By a lot.  Scott Totten doesn't get enough credit and the additions of Jeff F and Brian Eichenberger have raised the bar considerably for future touring iterations of The Beach Boys or "The Beach Boys" - however you look at it.
43  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Where did that website with Beach Boys vocal charts go? on: May 15, 2016, 03:36:58 PM
Sadly, Alan Deane, the guy who made all the charts, died a few years back and the site URL lapsed.  I have some saved, and yeah some are on the way back archive... Are you looking for something in particular?
44  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson and Friends Collector's Edition, Extra tracks on: May 07, 2016, 03:08:28 PM
Too bad She Knows Me Too Well was left off this release.  Maybe because Brian E was on lead?  Too bad.  Was one of the highlights of the show and one of the best leads by any non Beach Boy I've heard live.
45  Smiley Smile Stuff / The Beach Boys Media / Re: Mike Love, Not War - Unleash the Love! songs are NOW available to listen!! on: February 06, 2016, 09:55:49 AM
I'm not sure why is says Brian Is Back is from 2007.  This is the exact version I had on a boot around 2003.
46  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Beach Boys Live At Paramount NYC 11/26/1993 Unplugged Tour on: February 05, 2016, 09:30:58 AM
One of my most treasured recordings.  Everything from this part of 1993 was great by the boys.  Pretty sure that's Al singing Mike's bass part at the end of Surfer Girl.
47  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Sloop John B in Forrest Gump on: August 03, 2015, 04:59:50 PM
excitedly awaits uploading of these videos...
48  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: First Drafts of Rock: \ on: August 03, 2015, 04:49:26 PM
Who else thinks Brian would prefer this version?

Doesn't beg for a teleprompter-- could just write "Fun x3" and "hamburger stand" on one's hand.
49  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Made in California Disc 4 on: August 03, 2015, 04:48:18 PM
Carl Wilson on "Sail On Sailor."  The end.  No offense to Blondie, who sings the hell out of it as well.
50  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Differences to live song versions compared to studio versions - who wrote what? on: August 03, 2015, 04:47:08 PM
In '87, Do It Again would occasionally be in the set.  When it made its way in, just before the final verse, there was a cool double falsetto (with the higher of the two voices up in the stratosphere) for a "whoa-oo-oh  ohhh" before "well i've been thinkin' bout..."  I believe it was Jeff Foskett and Billy Hinsche singing these two parts. Was a fun little tag.  I assume it left when Jeff and Billy left. I looked on youtube for an example, but can't find the song from that era...  I have it on some audio recordings.
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