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126  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Backing Vox 'Let's go away...' on: March 22, 2016, 04:51:38 PM
I think it could be vibes and something else - maybe flute but I can't hear it

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vibraphone
127  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Backing Vox 'Let's go away...' on: March 22, 2016, 04:49:40 PM
Jules Jacob – flute
Julius Wechter – vibraphone, tympani
128  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Backing Vox 'Let's go away...' on: March 22, 2016, 04:47:58 PM
yeh 'hear' is the key word Smiley  it doesn't sound ANYTHING like a flute to me so that makes it interesting

Can't tell someone something they don't want to hear.
129  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Backing Vox 'Let's go away...' on: March 22, 2016, 04:45:29 PM
vibes:  'I used a lot of musicians on the track; twelve violins, piano, four saxes, oboe, vibes, a guitar with a coke bottle on the strings for a semi-steel guitar effect.'

no mention of flute above either (he could just have forgotten though)

Not Carl..?  Carl done later..?  Maybe not a voice at all..?

I can believe its being discussed because its interesting and some of us are hearing it very differently



I was thinking about it at work and wondered if it might be vibes in there too doubling..?

Yeah I'm a big proponent of Occam's razor.  In a case like this though a live OD at the session isn't a crazy assertion (I'm not trying to say this definitely happened btw its just one thing I considered).



No, isn't vibes nor could it be.  It is not a vocal.  Carl was in Japan.  Flute players were at the session.  If what you're hearing is not flute, arguendo, where does the flute play?  I cannot believe that this is being debated.
130  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Backing Vox 'Let's go away...' on: March 22, 2016, 04:36:11 PM
Josh did you listen to the clip I put on soundcloud..?

have you read bossaroo's comments..?


I was thinking about it at work and wondered if it might be vibes in there too doubling..?

Yeah I'm a big proponent of Occam's razor.  In a case like this though a live OD at the session isn't a crazy assertion (I'm not trying to say this definitely happened btw its just one thing I considered).



No, isn't vibes nor could it be.  It is not a vocal.  Carl was in Japan.  Flute players were at the session.  If what you're hearing is not flute, arguendo, where does the flute play?  I cannot believe that this is being debated.
131  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Backing Vox 'Let's go away...' on: March 22, 2016, 02:17:28 PM
yeh that's what I've been saying all along - still sounds like Carl to me though Smiley

we should keep in mind Brian was very into combining instruments at this time to create a "new" instrument or sound, a la Phil Spector.

we may be hearing strings and flute in unison and/or something else
132  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Backing Vox 'Let's go away...' on: March 22, 2016, 02:15:54 PM
ha - dog ears Smiley

so why can't some of the others hear it..?  I can hear the dog whistle at the end of Pepper but I don't think its a true ultra-sonic sound

and to clarify, the hard "doo" sound we hear in the fade is a B note.
133  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Backing Vox 'Let's go away...' on: March 22, 2016, 01:58:16 PM
Yeah it could be all instruments but its uncanny how much it sounds like Carl to me.

And yeah my soundcloud clip is about 10 mins work just to show which part I'm talking about.  Pretty rough.

Yeah the Eb I think is purely instrumental although could still be BVs at the end.



i don't think your soundcloud clip does justice to the bit in question, but I'm definitely hearing the do-doo's in the fade of the song. it's one of the only things in LGAFA that resembles a melody really. it's beautiful and I never eally heard the vocal quality until you posted, but I think it's just the strings fooling our ears. there's another ghostly "dooo" at around :57 (an Eb note) that sounds more like vibes to me
134  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Backing Vox 'Let's go away...' on: March 22, 2016, 01:45:04 PM

here you go - I made this to show which part I'm on about - programmed in garageband

https://soundcloud.com/spooky-music

'lets go'

this thread is a testament to Brian's genius, that we can still discuss and possibly hear something new in a piece we've heard so many times.

I never heard anything that struck me as a vocal on LGAFA... until now.
still not sure if we're all talking about the same part(s), but I hear the do-doo's now and it doesn't strike me as flute. i believe it's a vocal-like effect created by strings, but I can't be sure. there is some tonal similarity to Brian or Carl, or even Marilyn as someone already stated.

speaking of tonal similarity, I've always thought the theremin line in IJWMFTT sounds uncannily like Brian.



135  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Backing Vox 'Let's go away...' on: March 22, 2016, 01:26:38 PM
I've got it:  Tony wrote the 'doo doos' Smiley
136  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Backing Vox 'Let's go away...' on: March 22, 2016, 01:24:46 PM
Hey man wouldn't a series of podcasts or webisodes be more millenial Smiley

This thread has over 2300 reads, in just a couple of days.  Mike, have you thought about writing a book about the Doo Doos?
137  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Backing Vox 'Let's go away...' on: March 22, 2016, 11:29:02 AM
BTW the Garageband track 'Lets go' is what I programmed just now - its not isolated from the Pet `Sounds track.

It really really just sounds like plain old flute with some reverberation to me.
138  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Backing Vox 'Let's go away...' on: March 22, 2016, 11:26:54 AM
Try as I might I can't hear flute at all.  I'm not insisting it isn't a flute but I hear a voice (or something that closely resembles one).  Regardless of what it is its interesting that it can sound so different to different people.  I think its more a brain than ears thing.

It really really just sounds like plain old flute with some reverberation to me.
139  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Backing Vox 'Let's go away...' on: March 22, 2016, 10:43:04 AM
Here you go - this is just to make sure we're all talking about the same part.

Its a 5 mins Garageband job - not very accurate but enough to identify what I'm on about.

https://soundcloud.com/spooky-music

'lets go'

(ref vibes:  could be really washed out ones with the attack softened right out..?)
140  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Backing Vox 'Let's go away...' on: March 22, 2016, 10:17:58 AM

I was thinking about it at work and wondered if it might be vibes in there too doubling..?

Yeah I'm a big proponent of Occam's razor.  In a case like this though a live OD at the session isn't a crazy assertion (I'm not trying to say this definitely happened btw its just one thing I considered).

Just to be sure we're talking about the same part I'm going to roughly program it and stick it on soundcloud.

If its flutes its flutes though - doesn't spoil it in any way.




OK now that's really interesting - that's the kind of detail I was looking for.

You think just 1 flute or a couple..?  Nothing else - no plucked strings or somesuch in unison..?

And yes I've really really tried to hear it as a flute but I can't.  To me it sounds like Carl singing - its uncanny.  Can you hear the 'doo-doos' at all..?


Very likely two flutes, played by Jules Jacob and possibly Steve Douglas.  No pizzicato strings, no.  I don't hear any sort of doo-doo, but I can understand why it might evoke that phoneme?  Another reason it might sound alien to you is that it's rare to hear flutes exploit the lower possibilities of the instrument.  And it is possible that these are alto flutes, which would even further remove the sound from your expectation of what a flute sounds like.

But let me ask you this, Occams razor time:  All the hard evidence points to it being flute.  So isn't it probably flute?


141  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Backing Vox 'Let's go away...' on: March 22, 2016, 12:57:56 AM
I'm not insisting I'm right.  Its a discussion.  Discussion is how you learn - right..? Smiley

nah gotta be vocals, I've been brainwashed by this thread.   LOL
you say something long enough, anyone will believe it.
try again aeijtzsche.  sooner or later someone might hear  LOL
142  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Backing Vox 'Let's go away...' on: March 22, 2016, 12:47:20 AM

OK now that's really interesting - that's the kind of detail I was looking for.

You think just 1 flute or a couple..?  Nothing else - no plucked strings or somesuch in unison..?

And yes I've really really tried to hear it as a flute but I can't.  To me it sounds like Carl singing - its uncanny.  Can you hear the 'doo-doos' at all..?

Its one of the most beautiful sections of music I've ever heard.  The session guys must have been impressed.



 how can you tell..?  I'm willing to believe it but where is the 'd' on the 'doo-ee-oos' coming from..?

I just can't hear a flute - I'd guess maybe plucked string and flute together..?


Listening to flute music for 30 years?  The only thing I can think of that could be giving you the illusion of a dental plosive is the snare reverb return leaves a signature in rhythm with the flutes but delayed from the attack of the actual snare transient, which is somewhat obscured by the flutes playing the same rhythm, giving you the illusion of some kind of human mouth sound?

But it is beyond me how you could not hear a flute when it is clearly a flute, and could only be a flute, based on hard documentary evidence supplied by two of the top Beach Boys experts in the world.

I think I'm so strident about this because there are much more interesting and indeed actually mysterious mysteries out there.  Let's go solve those.
143  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Backing Vox 'Let's go away...' on: March 21, 2016, 10:20:58 AM

yeh that's the one but I can't think of ever hearing a flute sound anything like that.

I'd love to know how they did it - are we saying its just 1 flute with a load of reverb on it..?



The thread won't go on and on as there's no way of resolving it.  Although the records show no vocal sessions it still sounds like BVs to me.

If its definitely not BVs I'd love to know what combination of instruments it is to get that sound - its one of my favourite moments on any BBs track.



It's definitely not.  It's flute.
totally sounds like a flute to me, if they mean the medium to high pitched sort of sigh at :56 then the repeated warble toward the end.
144  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Backing Vox 'Let's go away...' on: March 21, 2016, 10:17:20 AM

Hi Josh - how can you tell..?  I'm willing to believe it but where is the 'd' on the 'doo-ee-oos' coming from..?

I just can't hear a flute - I'd guess maybe plucked string and flute together..?



The thread won't go on and on as there's no way of resolving it.  Although the records show no vocal sessions it still sounds like BVs to me.

If its definitely not BVs I'd love to know what combination of instruments it is to get that sound - its one of my favourite moments on any BBs track.



It's definitely not.  It's flute.
145  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Backing Vox 'Let's go away...' on: March 21, 2016, 03:53:39 AM

meh - some people think the sounds are BVs - this is because they are hearing what sound like BVs

if its not BVs I think its very interesting trying to find out how it was done


I've always heard it as Murry singing lead on "GV", but no-one will believe me...
146  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Backing Vox 'Let's go away...' on: March 21, 2016, 03:10:35 AM
Could it be plucked strings maybe combined with woodwind..?  All playing unison..?
147  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Backing Vox 'Let's go away...' on: March 21, 2016, 02:22:44 AM
Cheers for the input. Try as I might I can't hear it as anything but a voice and I AM trying Smiley

It sounds so much like a voice to me that I can hear the throat contractions making the phrases.

Its not confirmation bias I've just never heard it as anything else since I first heard the album in 1988.

Are you able to listen to it on cans anytime soon..?

I'm not insisting I'm right btw just that I can't hear it as instruments.

I hear the sound you're hearing at both those spots, Mike, but it's not a vocal.  It is some kind of an orchestral instrument or instruments with a lot of reverb on it/them.  It's the reverb - which is the dominating sound - and the instrument(s) sitting in the background that's giving the illusion to you that it's a voice.

If I had my headphones handy I might take a stab at identifying the instrument(s) - it sounds to me like it's actually the string section (at least the end part) but I can't tell without the cans on - but it's definitely not a voice.  It's just how far back the melody sits in the mix that makes it sound that way.  You can hear it more clearly on the stereo remaster.
148  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Backing Vox 'Let's go away...' on: March 21, 2016, 02:00:06 AM
The sound is there again (I think) at 1:22 - it makes a brief phrase.  Doesn't sound like a flute to me or even a combination of things.

Could it be a musician making a vocal sound into a woodwind rather than just blowing it..?
149  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Backing Vox 'Let's go away...' on: March 21, 2016, 01:10:09 AM

The thread won't go on and on as there's no way of resolving it.  Although the records show no vocal sessions it still sounds like BVs to me.

If its definitely not BVs I'd love to know what combination of instruments it is to get that sound - its one of my favourite moments on any BBs track.



Andrew maybe you could ask Tony about the BV thing..?

Why ? One, he wasn't there for the vocal sessions... two, he told me Brian decided after he'd mixed the track that it didn't need vocals (hence, no lyrics)... and three, there are no vocals on the track anyway. Craig says so (and if he told me something was recorded on February 38th, 4603 BC, I'd believe him), the session dates preclude it and there's not verifiable source for what one poster claims about Capitol forcing Brian to master the album.
150  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Backing Vox 'Let's go away...' on: March 21, 2016, 01:03:45 AM

The 'doo doo' sounds..?  I'm really really trying but I can't hear it as a flute.


You guys, it really is flute.  I mean seriously.
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