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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Backing Vox 'Let's go away...'
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on: March 22, 2016, 04:45:29 PM
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vibes: 'I used a lot of musicians on the track; twelve violins, piano, four saxes, oboe, vibes, a guitar with a coke bottle on the strings for a semi-steel guitar effect.' no mention of flute above either (he could just have forgotten though) Not Carl..? Carl done later..? Maybe not a voice at all..? I can believe its being discussed because its interesting and some of us are hearing it very differently I was thinking about it at work and wondered if it might be vibes in there too doubling..?
Yeah I'm a big proponent of Occam's razor. In a case like this though a live OD at the session isn't a crazy assertion (I'm not trying to say this definitely happened btw its just one thing I considered).
No, isn't vibes nor could it be. It is not a vocal. Carl was in Japan. Flute players were at the session. If what you're hearing is not flute, arguendo, where does the flute play? I cannot believe that this is being debated.
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Backing Vox 'Let's go away...'
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on: March 22, 2016, 04:36:11 PM
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Josh did you listen to the clip I put on soundcloud..? have you read bossaroo's comments..? I was thinking about it at work and wondered if it might be vibes in there too doubling..?
Yeah I'm a big proponent of Occam's razor. In a case like this though a live OD at the session isn't a crazy assertion (I'm not trying to say this definitely happened btw its just one thing I considered).
No, isn't vibes nor could it be. It is not a vocal. Carl was in Japan. Flute players were at the session. If what you're hearing is not flute, arguendo, where does the flute play? I cannot believe that this is being debated.
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Backing Vox 'Let's go away...'
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on: March 22, 2016, 02:17:28 PM
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yeh that's what I've been saying all along - still sounds like Carl to me though we should keep in mind Brian was very into combining instruments at this time to create a "new" instrument or sound, a la Phil Spector.
we may be hearing strings and flute in unison and/or something else
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Backing Vox 'Let's go away...'
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on: March 22, 2016, 01:58:16 PM
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Yeah it could be all instruments but its uncanny how much it sounds like Carl to me. And yeah my soundcloud clip is about 10 mins work just to show which part I'm talking about. Pretty rough. Yeah the Eb I think is purely instrumental although could still be BVs at the end. i don't think your soundcloud clip does justice to the bit in question, but I'm definitely hearing the do-doo's in the fade of the song. it's one of the only things in LGAFA that resembles a melody really. it's beautiful and I never eally heard the vocal quality until you posted, but I think it's just the strings fooling our ears. there's another ghostly "dooo" at around :57 (an Eb note) that sounds more like vibes to me
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Backing Vox 'Let's go away...'
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on: March 22, 2016, 01:45:04 PM
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here you go - I made this to show which part I'm on about - programmed in garageband https://soundcloud.com/spooky-music'lets go' this thread is a testament to Brian's genius, that we can still discuss and possibly hear something new in a piece we've heard so many times.
I never heard anything that struck me as a vocal on LGAFA... until now. still not sure if we're all talking about the same part(s), but I hear the do-doo's now and it doesn't strike me as flute. i believe it's a vocal-like effect created by strings, but I can't be sure. there is some tonal similarity to Brian or Carl, or even Marilyn as someone already stated.
speaking of tonal similarity, I've always thought the theremin line in IJWMFTT sounds uncannily like Brian.
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Backing Vox 'Let's go away...'
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on: March 22, 2016, 11:26:54 AM
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Try as I might I can't hear flute at all. I'm not insisting it isn't a flute but I hear a voice (or something that closely resembles one). Regardless of what it is its interesting that it can sound so different to different people. I think its more a brain than ears thing. It really really just sounds like plain old flute with some reverberation to me.
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Backing Vox 'Let's go away...'
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on: March 22, 2016, 10:17:58 AM
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I was thinking about it at work and wondered if it might be vibes in there too doubling..? Yeah I'm a big proponent of Occam's razor. In a case like this though a live OD at the session isn't a crazy assertion (I'm not trying to say this definitely happened btw its just one thing I considered). Just to be sure we're talking about the same part I'm going to roughly program it and stick it on soundcloud. If its flutes its flutes though - doesn't spoil it in any way. OK now that's really interesting - that's the kind of detail I was looking for.
You think just 1 flute or a couple..? Nothing else - no plucked strings or somesuch in unison..?
And yes I've really really tried to hear it as a flute but I can't. To me it sounds like Carl singing - its uncanny. Can you hear the 'doo-doos' at all..?
Very likely two flutes, played by Jules Jacob and possibly Steve Douglas. No pizzicato strings, no. I don't hear any sort of doo-doo, but I can understand why it might evoke that phoneme? Another reason it might sound alien to you is that it's rare to hear flutes exploit the lower possibilities of the instrument. And it is possible that these are alto flutes, which would even further remove the sound from your expectation of what a flute sounds like. But let me ask you this, Occams razor time: All the hard evidence points to it being flute. So isn't it probably flute?
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Backing Vox 'Let's go away...'
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on: March 22, 2016, 12:47:20 AM
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OK now that's really interesting - that's the kind of detail I was looking for. You think just 1 flute or a couple..? Nothing else - no plucked strings or somesuch in unison..? And yes I've really really tried to hear it as a flute but I can't. To me it sounds like Carl singing - its uncanny. Can you hear the 'doo-doos' at all..? Its one of the most beautiful sections of music I've ever heard. The session guys must have been impressed. how can you tell..? I'm willing to believe it but where is the 'd' on the 'doo-ee-oos' coming from..?
I just can't hear a flute - I'd guess maybe plucked string and flute together..?
Listening to flute music for 30 years? The only thing I can think of that could be giving you the illusion of a dental plosive is the snare reverb return leaves a signature in rhythm with the flutes but delayed from the attack of the actual snare transient, which is somewhat obscured by the flutes playing the same rhythm, giving you the illusion of some kind of human mouth sound? But it is beyond me how you could not hear a flute when it is clearly a flute, and could only be a flute, based on hard documentary evidence supplied by two of the top Beach Boys experts in the world. I think I'm so strident about this because there are much more interesting and indeed actually mysterious mysteries out there. Let's go solve those.
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Backing Vox 'Let's go away...'
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on: March 21, 2016, 10:20:58 AM
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yeh that's the one but I can't think of ever hearing a flute sound anything like that. I'd love to know how they did it - are we saying its just 1 flute with a load of reverb on it..? The thread won't go on and on as there's no way of resolving it. Although the records show no vocal sessions it still sounds like BVs to me.
If its definitely not BVs I'd love to know what combination of instruments it is to get that sound - its one of my favourite moments on any BBs track.
It's definitely not. It's flute. totally sounds like a flute to me, if they mean the medium to high pitched sort of sigh at :56 then the repeated warble toward the end.
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Backing Vox 'Let's go away...'
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on: March 21, 2016, 10:17:20 AM
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Hi Josh - how can you tell..? I'm willing to believe it but where is the 'd' on the 'doo-ee-oos' coming from..? I just can't hear a flute - I'd guess maybe plucked string and flute together..? The thread won't go on and on as there's no way of resolving it. Although the records show no vocal sessions it still sounds like BVs to me.
If its definitely not BVs I'd love to know what combination of instruments it is to get that sound - its one of my favourite moments on any BBs track.
It's definitely not. It's flute.
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Backing Vox 'Let's go away...'
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on: March 21, 2016, 02:22:44 AM
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Cheers for the input. Try as I might I can't hear it as anything but a voice and I AM trying It sounds so much like a voice to me that I can hear the throat contractions making the phrases. Its not confirmation bias I've just never heard it as anything else since I first heard the album in 1988. Are you able to listen to it on cans anytime soon..? I'm not insisting I'm right btw just that I can't hear it as instruments. I hear the sound you're hearing at both those spots, Mike, but it's not a vocal. It is some kind of an orchestral instrument or instruments with a lot of reverb on it/them. It's the reverb - which is the dominating sound - and the instrument(s) sitting in the background that's giving the illusion to you that it's a voice.
If I had my headphones handy I might take a stab at identifying the instrument(s) - it sounds to me like it's actually the string section (at least the end part) but I can't tell without the cans on - but it's definitely not a voice. It's just how far back the melody sits in the mix that makes it sound that way. You can hear it more clearly on the stereo remaster.
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Backing Vox 'Let's go away...'
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on: March 21, 2016, 01:10:09 AM
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The thread won't go on and on as there's no way of resolving it. Although the records show no vocal sessions it still sounds like BVs to me. If its definitely not BVs I'd love to know what combination of instruments it is to get that sound - its one of my favourite moments on any BBs track. Andrew maybe you could ask Tony about the BV thing..?
Why ? One, he wasn't there for the vocal sessions... two, he told me Brian decided after he'd mixed the track that it didn't need vocals (hence, no lyrics)... and three, there are no vocals on the track anyway. Craig says so (and if he told me something was recorded on February 38th, 4603 BC, I'd believe him), the session dates preclude it and there's not verifiable source for what one poster claims about Capitol forcing Brian to master the album.
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