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1  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: \ on: September 03, 2019, 10:54:31 PM
Fabulous!
2  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Lana Del Rey's new single contains a BB reference on: August 29, 2019, 10:18:36 PM

Is there a jukebox in Chez Jays and is POB on it?


No jukebox in Chez Jay.
3  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Noven Jaisi on: August 07, 2019, 12:03:19 AM

Granted, now that he does official work (I guess?) for Mike, the proper clearances *may* now be getting obtained (though the recent video posted just shows a rather blanket copyright notice for Meleco, Brother, and Capitol, and actually shows "Capitol/EMI" which arguably doesn't exist anymore and is in fact Capitol/UMe).


Good observation - as you say, Capitol/EMI no longer exists and in fact was acquired by Universal Music Group 7 years ago.
4  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Noven Jaisi on: August 05, 2019, 06:27:12 PM

Point #2: I've been wondering the exact same thing for 4 years or however long it's been since Noven Jaisi first showed up with a trailer for something called "Still Tourin'", a fantasy Mike Love touring video documentary which apparently he dreamed up himself. Followed by featurettes and trailers on everything from ESQ magazine, to Mike's book, to Jeff Foskett.

Go figure.  Huh


Oh yeah, I remember that now. So the question is, was Mike a paying client for the Still Tourin' video, or did Mr. Jaisi do it on his own, with the result that Mike was impressed and became a paying client?

5  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Noven Jaisi on: August 05, 2019, 06:02:29 PM
Prior to reading this thread, I'd never heard of Noven Jaisi. Here's a link to a list of "People I work with" which is heavily Mike Love and touring Beach Boys centric ... https://www.novenjaisi.com/clients.

Although he's got quite a few projects on Youtube, I wouldn't call him a "YouTuber" pre se; it appears that the majority of his videos are for paying clients, including Mike Love.

IMO the guy is a very talented video editor.

6  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Noven Jaisi on: August 04, 2019, 11:19:52 PM
It's news because it's a really well done film that has just hit Youtube.

Why would permission be needed from Brain and Al? The copyright at the end says Capitol / EMI / Meleco Records & Brother Records.

7  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Terry Melcher on: August 02, 2019, 11:19:12 PM

FYI - Two vintage hit singles produced by Terry Melcher, "Good Thing" and "Hungry" by Paul Revere & The Raiders are on the "Once Upon A Time In Hollywood" soundtrack, with "Good Thing" also being co-written by Terry. Both went top-10 back in '66. So a new and younger audience will perhaps get a chance to hear and appreciate them.

Just tying that in to, like, three other current discussions.  Smiley


In addition to producing Hungry and Good Thing and co-writing Good Thing, while Mark Lindsay sings lead, Terry Melcher sings all the other vocals on both tracks.
8  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Big Beat 1963 on: June 16, 2019, 04:36:29 PM
Truly a bummer, especially since the compilation was only available as a digital download or via streaming. iTunes in the US has 10 selections available (album only) all by either Brian Wilson, The Honeys, or Bob & Sheri. All the Beach Boys stuff is gone.
9  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson Corvette For Sale on: April 30, 2019, 08:33:01 PM
Yes, Brian has owned multiple Corvettes through the years. Remember this photo of his 1966 Corvette painted in Chevy's "Sunfire Yellow" color:



The value on this one is obviously in the provenance and the celebrity connection, not to mention having the original title signed by Brian. It was a hot car at that time, as described in the listing, but I prefer the 50's and 60's designs myself.

Why did Brian get "Beach Boys" embossed on the car? He's proud of his band, obviously, no matter what shenanigans were going on at any given time.  Smiley

Wonder who the 66/67 Mustang convertible behind the 'vette belongs to?
10  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: \ on: April 23, 2019, 04:48:41 PM

More fuel for the fire since this thread started. Claims to be an early mix.

https://youtu.be/xrwCCHY1ibI


For sure Brian sings the falsetto on the released version.

As far as this YouTube post claiming to be "The Beach Boys - Getcha Back (Rare Early Studio Demo)," I don't hear any Beach Boys vocals or Foskett anywhere in this mix. Definitely could be Adrian Baker.




11  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: New stereo mix of “I Get Around” on: April 19, 2019, 03:22:33 PM
Adding to sixtiesstereo's post above, when listening to digitally extracted stereo (DES) through stereo speakers, best results are obtained when you are centered between both speakers. (Unfortunately, with the popularity these days of mono bluetooth and mono smart speakers, listeners of those devices will be unable to take advantage of listening to this technology.)

DES technology has produced results ranging from fairly good to very impressive, and, as previously stated, it is not related to duophonic or other types of electronically processed stereo from the past.

Software used to create DES includes Magix SpectaLayers Pro, Audionamix TRAX Pro, XTRAX STEMS, and SourceRE Pro. The technology used to create digitally extracted stereo will no doubt improve in the future, but currently less than half of mono recordings can be successfully be converted to stereo using DES.

Another example of really well done digitally extracted stereo from mono is track 20, Mother In Law, on this CD from Eric Records: http://www.ericrecords.com/htf_jb_56-62.html
12  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Career mishaps?? on: April 16, 2019, 11:03:03 PM

. Releasing Cool Cool Water as a single, with It's About Time as the b-side


Good list of missteps. Just for the record, Forever was the b-side of single edit of Cool Cool Water, with the promo copies going out to radio stations containing only Cool Cool Water, in mono on one side and stereo on the other, so there was no chance for DJ's to flip the single over to Forever, which, IMO, had a much great chance of getting Top 40 radio airplay.

13  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson: Long Promised Road (2019 Brent Wilson Documentary) on: April 03, 2019, 02:08:21 AM
IMO, Murry was correct in suggesting that Caroline No be sped up, and Brian made the right call in following his advice.
14  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Dean Torrence joining Mike's band? on: March 01, 2019, 04:07:55 PM

Enjoyed SBonilla's Youtube comment, concerning Caroline No segued into The Locomotion,  "One of these recordings was born on the wrong side of the tracks."

15  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Please Let Me Wonder (Arranged for 2 Guitars) on: March 01, 2019, 12:55:19 PM
Fabulous guitar arrangement of my #2 All Time Favorite BB song!

Thanks for posting!
16  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Dean Torrence joining Mike's band? on: February 28, 2019, 08:47:41 PM
Following up on the topic of Mike and Dean, here are two artistic gems in a row ... Caroline No beautifully segueing into The Locomotion ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhhws5pTJdw&feature=youtu.be
17  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Salesman 1967: Craig Smith, Mike Nesmith, and Mike Love...and Brian? on: February 16, 2019, 11:50:33 PM
I'd never heard of Craig Smith until GF's post seven years ago. Here's an interesting article, from Sept. 2016, reviewing Mike Stax's book. When Craig Smith left for a trip on the Hippie Trail in 1968 Mike Love threw a going away party at his house. Unfortunately, Mike declined to be interviewed for the book. https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/7bmxzx/swimming-through-the-darkness-the-hunt-for-craig-smith-psychedelic-messiah
18  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: What did Brian contribute to the writing of \ on: January 21, 2019, 06:31:30 PM

The Michel Colombier arranger-as-writer thing makes sense for Deirdre. Still though, interesting that back in June 1970 not long before release Bruce doesn't even mention Brian in that context -

"We have now got two new albums ready for release. 'The Fading Rock Group Revival', which will be our last for Capitol, should be out around the end of July. It will contain 10 tracks, including 'Loop-de-Loop', 'Deirdre' which I co-wrote with Michel Colombier, our previous hit 'Breakaway', possibly an unaccompanied version of the 'Lord's Prayer', and a song called 'Forever' which we are also considering as our next single. After that album, we shall be bringing out 'Sunflowers', which will be on our own re-activated Brothers label."

Speaking of Al and Brian, is there a general consensus on who wrote (and produced) what for At My Window? I've read one quote about Al remembering writing it (without mentioning Brian) and another from Brian where he says Al wrote the lyrics. Brian responsible for reworking the Raspberries Strawberries chords/melody after Al brought him the song maybe?


Thanks for posting that June 1970 quote from Bruce - I hadn't seen it before. Where was it published or broadcast?

19  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread on: January 18, 2019, 12:12:28 PM
A review from Rolling Stone 1/18/2019 ...
Review: Beach Boys Plumb Vaults for Post-‘Pet Sounds’ Gems
Heavenly acapellas, covers, stoner ramblings, and other rarities from the 1968 ‘Friends’ and ’20/20′ sessions are spruced up and issued on the latest digital dump from the band’s fabled vaults.

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-album-reviews/review-beach-boys-plumb-vaults-for-post-pet-sounds-gems-780314/
20  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread on: January 17, 2019, 11:49:11 PM

Great article and interview! Now THAT is how to get the word out about releases like this. I'm so glad to see RS run this piece so people outside the BB's fan bubble can know it's available. I think sometimes this fanbase exists too much inside its own bubble unless something gets picked up and distributed to outlets like RS.

Re: The article, this section:

>>>>What was Brian’s level of involvement with these sessions originally?
Boyd: Brian was very much involved in Friends — he was still basically running the show. He even finished the album after the boys had left to go on tour. At that point, the Beach Boys were sooo far behind on their contract with Capitol because of that long period of time between Pet Sounds and the eventual release of Smiley Smile. They were still playing catch-up. By the spring of ’68 , an album had to be turned in. Same thing with 20/20 — there was a major flurry of activity to finish that one in time to get it to Capitol before they launched a major tour of Europe. But Brian was very much involved in Friends. He pretty much produced it.

Linett: Even [songs] we’d probably say were co-produced, like Dennis’ “Little Bird,” were still more Brian producing. Not a whole lot different than earlier group recordings. The exception here is there are a lot of session players on the basic tracks, as opposed to Wild Honey and Smiley Smile.<<<<

A very big thank you to Mark and Alan for truly setting the record straight on this specific issue, and doing so in a major music publication. I hope this can be one of the definitive statements of fact on this issue of Brian's involvement in the music, and a validation of sorts for those who had to argue this very fact over the past 15 years or so in various online jousting matches over how involved Brian was in the music from 67-68. Thank you.


And now, Craig, you can truly thank Mark and Alan in their endeavors toward providing both current and future copyright extension releases of this wonderful music by purchasing all three 1968 sets.

To somewhat paraphrase a very popular song from a year prior to these 1968 releases, "it will be worth it, if not only for the benefit of this and future Beach Boys releases from the vault, but for your own peace of mind."

21  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: 20/20 Strings on: January 07, 2019, 11:53:22 AM
Is it known exactly when Brian was institutionalized in 1968 and for how long? Was it between the Friends and 20/20 sessions? For the Friends sessions, is it known if Murry volunteered his services or it Brian specifically asked him to assist. If Murry produced WTA, how involved was he in the 20/20 sessions?
22  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Rocky Pamplin's THE BEACH BOYS' ENDLESS WAVE completed and published on: December 13, 2018, 01:03:15 AM

 LOL LOL LOL The only problem is that there's no room left in Mike's hat. It's been so full of sh*t for decades just like the rest of his stupid hat collection.  Wink


Sigh ... Seeing moronic comments like the above makes me embarrassed to have been a part of this thread. I don't understand why the mods allow this type of immature nonsense.


 LOL LOL w00t! Whatever! Thumbs Up Hello Kiss Transcendental Meditation Happy Dance Love Rock! Wink 2 Uninsultable, that's what I am. You, of all people should not read my posts because man, you take things wayyyy to seriously. One would think you learned your lesson by now, but no. You must be a lot of fun, man.  Razz


Mr. "lol lol woot whatever thumbsup wave kiss tm happydance love rock winke":

Hah! Yeah, man, I’m known for a having great sense of humor - highly refined with a sense of jocularity (not to be confused on your part with jock straps). But I outgrew (as have 99% of adults) what you apparently consider to be “funny” around the time I turned nine or ten years old.

But look, no use irritating the other board members with this tripe, so I’m signing off on this back and forth, and for the benefit of the readership, you might wanna consider doing likewise.

Cheers!

23  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Rocky Pamplin's THE BEACH BOYS' ENDLESS WAVE completed and published on: December 12, 2018, 12:48:18 PM

It's never as simple as that.  Even if the truth is on your side, the cost of defending yourself from a lawsuit is enormous.  Most people will give it up rather than face the time and costs of attorneys' fees in defending themselves from a lawsuit.  If you are sued and you win, you don't get your attorneys' fees back, they are down the drain.  And if a judge makes a decision that turns a case upside down, even if that decision is wrong, that is one of the risks of a lawsuit.  The road to good intentions is paved with all kinds of bad and incorrect outcomes in lawsuits, especially in sunny California.


Exactly.
24  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Rocky Pamplin's THE BEACH BOYS' ENDLESS WAVE completed and published on: December 12, 2018, 12:46:44 PM

 LOL LOL LOL The only problem is that there's no room left in Mike's hat. It's been so full of sh*t for decades just like the rest of his stupid hat collection.  Wink


Sigh ... Seeing moronic comments like the above makes me embarrassed to have been a part of this thread. I don't understand why the mods allow this type of immature nonsense.



25  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Rocky Pamplin's THE BEACH BOYS' ENDLESS WAVE completed and published on: December 11, 2018, 10:22:25 PM

On Nov. 20th I first asked about the flip in Mike's portrayal in Rocky's book, and Guitarfool posted a similar question, comparing Rocky's posts on this board of a couple of years ago to what has been reported in the final edition coauthored by Ron.


... In his posts of roughly three years ago, Rocky often cast Mike and Stan Love in a negative light, but I see that Stan contributed pics to the book, and Ian says Mike was cast only in a positive light. How do you account for this change? Other than the pictures contributed by Stan, were either he or Mike involved in determining the content of the book? ...



... the book itself seems to be complimentary of Mike, if anything. ...


Ron answered thusly:


... One of the most surprising things was that Rocky had in fact, enormous respect for Mike Love in myriad ways, respect that I heard over and over again in those long and rambling conversations. Rocky himself was surprised at what he had revealed. We're hoping that it made for a better read. ...



... Yes the book was considerably reworked. ...

... As I mentioned, my understanding of the material based on my conversations with Rocky revealed a different story, one I don't think that Rocky was completely aware of himself. ...


But when CenturyDeprived made the following observations:


... Yet I can understand that powerful parties who potentially stand to gain or lose based on the book's content could yield their power (via methods that I have no insight on), much like I assume that the final cut of the film Love & Mercy (as well as it turned out IMHO) was almost certainly impacted politically in *some* fashion by not just what the filmmakers wanted to say, but what they could/couldn't say without problems arising.  If lines are crossed, I imagine the wrath of known litigious folk could be a result. While you personally haven't met Mike Love, that in and of itself doesn't tell me that my assumption above is by definition completely incorrect.  I frankly think it would be rare and gutsy/stupid for any book like this by any insider about a famous band to simply be released without certain considerations being made. ...
 

We most likely got the real reason for the flip in this reply from Ron:


... You are astute in your observations about having to be careful about a book including rich, influential people.
As one of my attorney friends reminded me when I realized that my name would actually go on the book, and I'll quote him here because it is an amusing and brilliant and frightening quip, all at the same time, "A rich, vexatious litigant can always cause trouble." Ha.
Believe me, that was on our minds. More to come. ...


I would like to thank Ron for conducting himself in a courteous, respectful, and diplomatic manner on this board, especially in the face of numerous attacks. He was obviously quite naive thinking an error filled Chapter 2 would be greeted with accolades, as well as perhaps not recognizing the level of distain held for Mr. Pamplin due to a number of his past actions. Interestingly, Ron showed up on the Pet Sounds Forum three days ago, offering to answer any questions, but so far there haven't been any takers.

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